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CST Performance Suspension manufactures only the highest quality leveling kits, 2wd lift spindle kits, four wheel drive lift kits, Mid-Travel UCA kits, shocks and accessories. Everything we design from our leveling kits, Mid-Travel upper control arms to our lift kits and shocks has proudly been made here in the U.S. At California SuperTrucks we continue to stand strong behind our belief that building the highest quality lift kits and suspension components using only the strongest materials is the first step to success in selling the highest quality lift kits on the market today.
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CST 2011 - 2019 GM 2500HD / 3500 1-3" Lift System Stage 2 # CSK-G50-2
CST Performance Suspension Dirt Series 1-3" Stage 2 Lift System # CSK-G50-2. This CST UniBall equipped Upper Control Arm and Shock kit is designed for use on all 2011-2019 Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD / 3500 and GMC Sierra 2500HD / 3500 series trucks. This arm fits both the 2wd and 4x4 models and all Gas and 6.6L Duramax engine equipped trucks. The CSK-G50-2 includes a pair of CST Upper Control Arms, CST Forged Torsion Lift Keys and extended Travel front shock absorbers equipped with reservoirs. This is a great front kit for Silverado and Sierra owners that want to improve the ride and handling on their HD and achieve between 1" and 3" of lift.
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The CST # CSK-G50-2 Extended Travel Kit is designed to provide Chevrolet Silverado / GMC Sierra 2500HD and 3500 Series owners with a high performance leveling kit option. This Mid Travel Kit is part of the CST Performance Suspension "Dirt Series" line of products. The tubular steel upper control arm features a 1" UniBall that exceeds the strength of the factory GM ball-joint. This Upper Arm is capable of operating at more severe angles the than factory ball-joint and when matched with the CST Dirt Series 2.0 reservoir equipped Front Shock Absorber provides an increase in suspension travel. The primary advantages of the increased suspension travel is a superior ride on the road and off after the ride height has been increased.
CST # CSK-50-2 Stage 2 Kit Features:
- REPLACEABLE URETHANE BUSHINGS
- CAN PROVIDE 1" to 3" INCHES OF LIFT OVER STOCK HEIGHT
- STAINLESS TAPER PIN & MIS-ALIGNMENT SPACERS
- REPLACEABLE 1" UNI-BALLS / ALLOW INCREASED MOVEMENT
- WORKS WITH CST 2WD CAST LIFT SPINDLES OR STOCK SPINDLES
- INCLUDES CST 2.0" BODY DIRT SERIES FRONT SHOCKS
- STRONGER THAN FACTORY ARM & BALL JOINTS
- PROVIDES MORE TRAVEL THAN STOCK
- SEALED UPPER CAP DESIGN = REDUCED MAINTENANCE!
- FORGED TORSION LIFT KEYS
- GREAT PRICE ON A QUALITY CST MADE PRODUCT
- MADE IN THE U.S.A.
- WORKS WITH ALL 2011 - 2019 2500HD / 3500 TRUCKS
This item includes everything shown in the product image. Please note, you will reuse the factory frame to upper control arm and shock mounting hardware. CST includes new urethane pivot bushings, bushing sleeves, and Zerk fittings that allow you to easily grease the control arm pivot bushings.
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Camburg Chevy/GMC 1500 2wd 99-06 Performance 6.5 Kit
- Fabricated spindles
- 6″ lift
- 10″ wheel travel
- 1.5″ wider per side
- Made in the USA
$ 2,995.99
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The next best thing to a long travel kit. Our Chevy 1500 performance 6.5 kit will give you 10″ of wheel travel and 1.5″ wider per side track-width. This system is designed to give you great off-road performance. By eliminating the upper stock ball joint (weak link) with a 1″ FK uniball we gain a great amount of wheel travel and strength. We also chose to eliminate the stock cast spindles and replace them with a pair of our fabricated spindles. These spindles use some of the same parts found in our long travel system. If you are looking for wheel travel, ground clearance, and strength look no further. The Camburg Performance 6.5 kit is what you need.
You will need to lift the rear of the truck around 2.5″+/- to go along with this kit. We recommend Deaver’s mini-pack or complete leaf springs with longer Bilstein 5100 shocks.
- Fabricated Spindles
- Tubular Chromoly Upper Arms
- Coil Springs
- Bilstein 5100 Front Shocks (24-185400)
- 10″ Limit Straps/Mounts (welding required for lower mount)
- Stainless Steel Extended Front Brake Lines (CAM-230001)
- Grade 8 Hardware
- You will need to run fiberglass front fenders with 35″ tires.
- Limit strap installation requires minor welding & drilling.
- Factory upper arm frame droop stops must be removed or damage to our upper arm will occur due to the increase in wheel travel.
- You will need to lift the rear around 2.5″+/-
We build these in limited production runs throughout the year so availability could be delayed
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99-06 Chevy Silverado 1500 4WD Long Travel Kit
- 100% CAD Designed and Manufactured in the USA
- 16″ of travel
- Utilizes a 2.5″x8″ coil-over shocks and 2.5″x8″ bypass shocks
- Boxed upper control arms, with 3/4″ heims for the frame pivots
- Custom stainless steel spacers for upper arms
- Fabricated spindle adaptors, utilizing a 1″ uniball for the upper arm pivot
- Boxed & internally braced lower control arms
- Fully fabricated shock mounts
- Aluminum tie rods with 3/4″ heim pivots & stainless steel clevis
- Powder coated finish
- MSRP $4495.00
$ 4,745.00
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FOA 2.5″ x 8″ remote-reservoir coil-over shocks with springs (per pair) ( $ 645.00 )
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The True Travel Dynamics long travel kit for 4WD Silverados and Sierras 1500 trucks is built tough to handle all types of off-road terrain. Our kit eliminates the factory torsion bars and utilizes a 2.5″ x 8″ coil-over shock and 2.5″ x 8″ bypass shock giving you more control over dampening and a far better ride. Since our kit is a total of 9″ wider than stock you’ll also need longer axles. Our axle set utilizes custom made CV adaptors to be able to use a 930 CV joint on the inner side to give you more articulation which translates into more wheel travel. If you want 16″ of wheel travel with 4WD, more strength and a better ride then our Silverado/Sierra +4.5″ 4WD kit is exactly what you need.
Please note this kit does not fit 2500 or 3500 HD trucks
This 4WD long travel suspension kit fits:
- Chevrolet Silverado 1500 4WD 1999-2006
- GMC Sierra 1500 4WD 1999-2006
Parts Needed:
- 2.5″x8″ Coil-over Shocks
- 2.5″x8″ Bypass Shocks
- Engine cage should be fabricated by a professional
- Wheels should not have more than 4.75″ of backspacing
Parts Included:
- Upper Control Arms
- Lower Control Arms
- Spindle Adaptors
- 2 – Aluminum Tie-rods
- 2 – Steering Clevis
- 2 – Boxed Shock Mounts
- 2 – Complete Axle Assemblies
- Limit Straps
True Travel Dynamics is dedicated to fabricating the highest quality suspension kits, made right here in the USA.
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You can use your stock shocks until you decide to upgrade. So it's not so costly all at once. I don't know how using long travel arms w/ stock reservoir shocks will ride. Any ideas? I don't want to be the first to buy them. I think I'll wait untill they're are a few reviews Yamaha RHINO Suspension YAMAHA RHINO LONG TRAVEL SYSTEM - CST Performance Suspension
"SET TO BE RELEASE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS IS OUR BRAND NEW YAMAHA RHINO +3 LONG TRAVEL SUSPENSION SYSTEM . TAKE A LOOK AT SOME PHOTO'S FROM THE PROTOTYPE INSTALL. (AFTER MARKET SHOCKS WERE NOT INSTALLED YET)" They are using the term "long travel" a little loosely!
Looks good CTS has nice truck kits
So can you guys define "Long Travel and Mid Travel" for me please. Because I was under the impression that anything over stock would be considered long travel. Because any Arm longer than stock is going to get more travel right. Thanks for the clarification. Looks like a good kit and the price is right too.
6 inches wider each side is what we usually consider 'long travel' where 3 inches wider each side is what we recognize as 'mid travel' with a 6 inch kit you usually get around 14 inches of travel a 3 inch kit gives 10-12ish inches?...stock has 8ish? so the wider kit can allow longer travel...but a mid travel kit is leaps over stock
HighDesert Rhino runs a plus 3 with stock shocks and he jumps the hell out of it. He is allso raving about how much better it is over stock
Caliber I'm sure the kit with stock shocks will be 100% better over stock shocks, and when you add after market shocks it will improve it that much more. Just my 2 cents.
so $2200 w/ axels right!!? i do like the boxed arms if they do the lifetime axels like LSR i am sold.
Even adding spacers gives you more travel, but for the $ I'd think I'd stick with one of the more mainstream companies mid-travel kits that offer the same travel. I've seen the Lonestar mts for $2200 with axles
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Long Travel Kit
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The Dirt King long travel kit was developed to drastically improve the vehicles off-road handling without compromising its day to day driving characteristics. This suspension system allows for 13.25” of travel and accepts up to a 35” tire. The kit is compatible with 2WD models and 4WD models along with the purchase of extended axle shafts. We’ve upgraded the lower arm outer pivot to heavy duty Moog ball joints and 1” uniballs for the upper arm outer pivot. This allows for superior strength and increased articulation. The suspension system also accommodates for bump stops to be used with the coil overs if desired. This kit is CAD designed, thoroughly tested, and 100% made in America resulting in a product we’re proud to put our name on!
Specifications
- Wheel Travel: 13.25”
- Amount of Lift: 0-4”
- Track Width: 3” wider per side
- Maximum Tire Size: 35”
- Maximum Backspacing: 4.75”
- Minimum Rim Size: 17”
- Bump Stop Size: 2.0” x 2.0” (view spec sheet)
- Coil Over Shock Size with Shock Hoop Kit: 2.5” x 8” (view spec sheet)
- Internal droop stops removed
- +1” rod ends
Shocks For the best performance and to achieve the full 13.25” of travel you must purchase our spec built shocks or have them custom built based on our coil over spec sheet. For direct bolt on applications King OEM replacement coil overs can be installed. The replacement coil overs must have the internal droop stops removed and 1” rod end extensions added. These shocks will allow for 10” of travel. Both pairs of shocks will work with 2WD or 4WD models. For more dampening the suspension system has the ability to use bump stops along with the coil overs. The use of bump stops will also require welding and modifications to the frame.
Wheel Travel When shopping long travel kits many consumers tend to focus just on travel numbers. This is the reason many companies claim inaccurate numbers or don’t disclose the amount of work involved to achieve these numbers. Our goal is to build a suspension system with the highest amount of wheel travel without requiring major modifications to the vehicle or compromising its overall drivability.
Tire Info When using 35” tires with this kit modifications to the wheel well will need to be made. The firewall pinch weld will need to be folded over and front cab mount needs to be shaved to avoid contact while turning. The upper wheel well will also need to be modified to avoid contact at full bump.
What's Included
- Chromoly upper control arms
- Boxed plate lower control arms
- 9" quad wrapped limit straps
- Weld on adjustable limit strap mounts
- 17-4 stainless steel misalignment spacers
- 17-4 stainless steel tie rod extensions
- DOT approved extended brake lines
- Grade 8 mounting hardware
- Bolt on application, minimal modifications required
- Utilizes American made FK bearings
- 4130 chromoly uniball cups
- ¾” heims for the UCA’s
- Delrin bushings for the LCA’s
- Zinc plated inner bushing sleeves
- Grease fittings for easy servicing
- 3/16" and 1/8” boxed plate construction
- Internally ribbed with extrusions for weight reduction
- Limit strap tabbing
- Bump stop plating
Compatibility
2004-2015 Nissan Titan 2WD / 4WD 2016-2023 Nissan Titan (Non-XD) 2WD / 4WD * This suspension will not work with the 2016 or newer Titan XD models. * Please contact us if you plan on installing this kit with lift spindles or a bracket lift. * Front fiberglass required.
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Shipping & Delivery Dirt King ships their products within the United States and Internationally. Most products ship via UPS or USPS. Orders that exceed $500 require a signature confirmation. On bulk orders contact Dirt King for a freight quote. The customer is responsible for import taxes and fees on international shipments.
Damaged or Missing Parts In an instance where you receive a damaged package a claim must be made with Dirt King. The claim can be submitted by sending an email to [email protected] containing photos of the damaged packages and damaged products. The email must also include your order number as well. Do not discard any of the original packaging or try installing the products.
While every precaution is taken there could be a case where you are missing parts. If this happens please send an email to [email protected] with your order number, list of missing parts, photo of the package or packages, and a photo of the quality control tag located on the back of the box.
If the shipping carrier losses your package please contact Dirt King. A claim will be filled with the shipping carrier. Unfortunately, we do not have much control over this situation and must wait for the carrier to process the claim.
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- Products such as bumpers, hitches, and bed cages that have optional powder coat added are subject to a 7% restocking fee and a 3% processing fee. If the order is canceled before the product is powder coated then the 7% restocking fee can be waived.
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- Crypto orders will be refunded the same coin amount that was paid originally.
All products sold or manufactured by Dirt King are intended for off-road use only. Our products are strictly engineered and tested and are not to be modified from its original design in any way. Customer assumes all liability in assuring that parts are installed correctly and maintained. Dirt King is not responsible or liable for any accidents, injuries or deaths that may occur from the use of any products offered. Suspension modifications may change the dynamics and stability characteristics of the vehicle. Ensuring prompt wheel alignment and ADAS recalibration after suspension modifications is critical and the sole responsibility of the customer.
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looks great, i like the bumper too
That is sexy.
HBTITAN said: looks great, i like the bumper too Click to expand...
maxima619 said: N I C E ! I seen this truck in person and it looks bad a$$!! congrats carnal! Click to expand...
Hey Hooligan First Off, The Truck Looks Great...im Def Gonna Be In The Market For That M/t Kit... What Size Is That C/o? And Is That Size C/o Only Usable With The Custom Shock Hoop?
That looks bad A$$!!
hooligan said: got the goods a few weeks ago, just haven't had a chance to upload the photos. PRG/Allied with excellent work... as always! got more pics somewhere, gotta find em... :teethmast Here's PRG's thread on the early stages of the PRG Mid-Travel kit in raw form for those interested or curious exactly what the MT kit consists of... http://www.titantalk.com/forums/titan-suspension/57871-mid-travel-sneak-peak.html i had a few other PRG/SAW goods added to compliment the kit. ************************ Click to expand...
5,OK, im not gonna lie about this and throw some rubber-ruler number out there. With shocks, steering, and everything, 12+ inches. I wish I could lie and say 16, but its just not possible with a bolt-on kit. The upper limit is the inner fender, the drop limit is the lower ball joint or coil bucket or tierod (they all hit about the same time slightly different points depending on how you cycle it). With the CST spindle on a 2wd with modified steering, you can get about 1 more inch of droop (or 13+ total). For comparison, the CST lt kit gets 15" of travel. Even, my truck only cycles 15". With a properly valved/spring 2.5" coilover and the airbumps mounted out on the arm as we are doing, it will work really, really well. Click to expand...
BECHLYF said: Dude, its about time you got some pics up. its.... its.....BEAUTIFUL :teethmast are those springs a new custom rate for the MT? really like the silver. are you running with no preload? how much travel are you getting ? did Chris mod the inner fender to get more up travel ? I think the top of the upright (spindle) would hit before the tire. and are you getting all the droop you can get ? I noticed you didnt change the steering to hiem. did you get a engine compartment brace ? I asked Tim at DMZ how much to install shock hoops to see if I could swing going with the longer shock and he said he would not install the shock mounts without a engine compartment brace because he said the frame will twist. well needless to say if I end up with MT anytime soon it will be with stock shock location. Anyway LOOKS GREAT MAN! and cant wait to see ya in the HD.:thumbsup: Sorry about all the Questions, but there are a lot of variables. Thanks BECH. Click to expand...
hooligan said: ooops, i guess i need to post pics of the brace too... basic yet highly functional, nothing fancy like greg's behemoth of a brace or dmz one's i've seen. gotta run, off to work. and TT**80 somethin' or another, yeah...... ummm... you see.... LOL, no actually waiting on the custom skidplate to be completed as to protect the over-exposed radiator. already notice a barrage of small sediment and pebbles bombarded the radiator fins already... :teethmast Click to expand...
Hoolie, that looks NIIIICE! I'm sure it works as good as it looks, too! Are you gonna be selling your old suspension components or already sold?
he's getting a tad over 14" using the tube uppers.
Simply put, looks badass. :rockon Post up some action vid when you get the chance.
looks tits bro. cya in barstow. oh btw, my cst kit cycles 30".
PrerunnerGreg said: he's getting a tad over 14" using the tube uppers. Click to expand...
NorCal 4x4 said: Boxed uppers a little more, like yours? Any 4x4 PRG MTs ... or would it be better to just get a 2wd for the PRG MT? Looks great hooligan! Click to expand...
GoFast33 said: Hoolie, that looks NIIIICE! I'm sure it works as good as it looks, too! Are you gonna be selling your old suspension components or already sold? Click to expand...
looks good hoolie....love the pic of your truck with jen's xterra in the background....now all you need is a d-threat logo on your back window and you're good to go!!
Hooligan, you have achieved Titan God-Status, my man. I don't think your Man Card will ever be revoked. Beyond cool! That's exactly what I'd like to do, except I'm 4wd. You Rock!
CHUD said: Hooligan, you have achieved Titan God-Status, my man. I don't think your Man Card will ever be revoked. Beyond cool! That's exactly what I'd like to do, except I'm 4wd. You Rock! Click to expand...
hooligan said: LOL, titan god-status??? :jester: i'm just rockin' peasant-status mang... so much more to do to the titan, like cut holes in the bed to get a bed cage made to house some bypass in the rear/spung under, get regeared, get bedsides pulled, etc... 4wd is not a problem. Greg sells the Mid-Travel for the 4x4 too!!! :cheers: Click to expand...
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My wife and I have traveled independently to many European countries and, after reading many of the comments in this forum, feel like we may be able to do so in Moscow and St. Petersburg as well, although we feel somewhat less comfortable than the other countries where we have traveled in Europe.
My biggest question is how much we will miss by visiting the main sites without a tour guide. In the other European countries we have visited on our own we have been comfortable and satisfied with the level of knowledge we have gained by studying and visiting on our own, although we believe a tour guide or tour company in any country would normally be able to provide greater insight than visiting a site on our own, but about in Moscow and St. Petersburg?
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Unless you speak at least some Russian and read the alphabet it would be difficult without a guide. Very few signs in English especially in Moscow. Also not too many people speak English there.
I visited St Petersburg last Autumn for a protracted period , and did not find it anymore daunting than any other European city . As Ilja says , learning the Cyrillic alphabet is a big plus . I also found that it was fairly easy to grasp . It will , among other things , enable you to read signs with relative ease . I would answer the main part or your question ( about tour guides ) thus - I am not enamored of tour guides or tours. While I only use a tour under duress ( A sites rules prohibiting an independent visit - ie Glasgow School of Art , Municipal House in Prague , etc ) . Doing your own preparation and homework is the best way , in my opinion . My wife and I ventured through St Petersburg with nary a concern ,and made two day trips outside of the central district ( one was twenty five miles away , and no English speakers in sight ) Figuring out the logistical details , did not present any difficulties . While I never use tours , I am an inveterate eavesdropper , have done so many times , and find , that on balance , the information that they impart is fairly elementary . If you want greater detail , they are unlikely to supply it . I also prefer to go at my own pace , not being rushed and being able to dwell on things that most other visitors barely give a passing glance . If you are interested , let me know . I would be happy to provide you with information that will enable you to travel independently
Thank you, Steven. I am encouraged by your comments and feel the same way you do about tour groups. We are very much willing to prepare in advance and learn the basics of the Cyrillic alphabet to help us have a better experience.
I would be very interested in learning more about your experience in Russia and receiving any additional information you can provide on independent travel there, starting perhaps with obtaining the visa.
I am not opposed to hiring a private or small group guide for a specific site or for a day trip outside St Petersburg and Moscow, but, like you said, I much prefer the freedom of staying at places as long or short as I want and seeing the sites that interest me most. For example, neither my wife nor I are big into shopping, yet most tour itineraries leave afternoon time for just that. Not interested!
Please provide whatever you may feel would be helpful for us.
Russ , I see you are quite near San Francisco - you can start by looking at the VISA procedure , it's fairly straightforward . Since there is a consulate in San Francisco - look here http://www.consulrussia.org/eng/visa-sub1.html
And here - http://ils-usa.com/main.php
Having always traveled independently, we thought we could do a better job than any tour. How misguided (pun intended) we were. Now that we have had the experience of having someone native to the area walk us around and explain things through a personal perspective we realize how much we missed. For St. Petersburg I highly recommend http://www.peterswalk.com/tours.html . This is not a traditional guided tour, but an opportunity to receive some orientation to the area as well as insight into the "Russian soul". I think if you did this upon arrival the rest of your time would be much more meaningful. We really liked the http://www.pushka-inn.com . The location is superb (just around the corner from the Hermitage square), the rooms lovely, the included breakfast at the restaurant next door ample and overall an excellent value. We used this company to get our visa: https://www.passportvisasexpress.com/site/san_francisco_customer_service Note that it costs about the same for a 3-year visa as a one-year, and you never know if you might want to return within that more extended window of time. It is not cheap, so factor that into your planning.
If you like traveling without a guide in other countries and find this satisfying, the same will be true in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Of course it's not either/or - you can certainly take a guided walk or boat tour, for instance.
I cannot emphasize enough the importance of learning Cyrillic if you're going on your own. The book I used was Teach Yourself Beginner's Russian Script, which was great. It breaks down the alphabet into letters that are the same as English, letters that look the same but are pronounced differently, etc. It's out of print, but you can get used copies on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Teach-Yourself-Beginners-Russian-Script/dp/0071419861/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1459701143&sr=8-2&keywords=teach+yourself+russian+script
Russia is indeed a bit more "foreign" than say, Italy. However, in Moscow and St. Petersburg, I found enough English to be able to get by. Many restaurants had English menus and/or English speaking staff, for instance. This was most emphatically not true in Vladimir and Suzdal (two cities in the Golden Ring outside Moscow). I went with my sister, a Russian speaker, and if she hadn't been there, I would have been in big trouble. So, if you want to see places outside these two big cities, use a guided tour (even if just for that part). Also, Moscow and St. Petersburg are huge cities. Coming from New York, I wasn't intimidated, but those not used to a megacity may not be so cavalier (even I found them overwhelming at times, especially Moscow).
I found both Lonely Planet and Rough Guide to be helpful, and both to have various errors. Look at both, buy whichever one has a more recent edition, and then be prepared to have to discard some of the advice therein. Also, these places change more quickly than places in Western Europe. Be very careful of outdated advice. For instance, I was there in 2001 and 2010, so I won't give you any specifics on getting a visa - that changes constantly.
Just as a teaser, two things I saw and loved that I doubt would be included in any escorted tour are the Gorky House in Moscow (an Art Nouveau wonder) and the Sheremyetov Palace in St. Petersburg (it's now a museum of musical instruments, and the decor is amazing, particularly in the Etruscan Room).
Thanks for all the good advice. Any additional thoughts are welcomed.
One of history's seminal works pertaining to Russian history and culture and a MUST for anyone contemplating a visit or simply interested , is this fine work from 1980 - http://www.amazon.com/Land-Firebird-The-Beauty-Russia/dp/096441841X
This is about you and not about Petersburg. Do you like guided tours? We don't and didn't find that a guide added to our experience in China where we did hire private guides mostly for the logistics; it was easy to have someone drive us places. But once at a site, we didn't need the guide. I felt the same way about our 9 nights in Petersburg. We did hire a guide for the trip to the Catherine Palace again for the ease of logistics for us Olds. Here is our visit: https://janettravels.wordpress.com/2016/01/23/an-easy-trip-to-the-catherine-palace/ There are also snapshots of the Church on Spilled Blood in this photo journal. Having someone pick us up at the apartment and get us in without line ups and shepherd us through the palace steering clear of the tour groups was lovely. But we didn't need commentary because we can read and prepare.
You certainly don't need a guide for the Hermitage (we spent 4 days there), the Russian Museum, the Kazan Cathedral or Church on Spilled Blood or the Faberge Museum. We enjoyed a number of self guided walking tours including a couple from Rick Steves guidebooks. We took the canal cruise suggested by RS that had an English commentator. I would not take one without that as you will be totally clueless. The commentator was not all that good but at least we had some idea what we were seeing. So for people like us who like to do our own thing and can read a guidebook and don't particularly like to be led about, a tour is not needed. If you enjoy tour groups, then go for it. Petersburg is easy to negotiate. It helps if you can read the cyrillic alphabet and it is also useful to have the google translate ap on your phone. We found ourselves translating packages in grocery stores with it and the occasional museum sign or menu. I have one food I need to avoid and so it was handy to have the translator to talk with waiters (I could either show them the sentence, or play it for them or play it to myself and then repeat it to the waiter -- that all worked well)
Dear Russ, I cannot help you with Moscow, but about four years ago, my husband and I went to St Petersburg on our own. But, we did use a private guide for 4 half days. We both feel that our guide absolutely made our trip (we stayed 6 or 7 nights). We used a company owned by Tatyana Chiurikova, www.tour-stpetersburg.com I cannot say enough good things about her and our experience. I emailed her and we worked out a schedule/ sights that was tailored to our interests. She also offered some recommendations, which we took. The guide will meet you at your hotel. And frequently, at certain places, with the guide, we were able to skip the long entrance lines. We had an half day driving tour of the city (car, driver, & guide). You are taken to & go in places such as Peter & Paul Fortress, some of the cathedrals, etc. We had a half day with the guide at the Hermitage which ensured that we would see the major sights there. And, of course, you can stay after your guide leaves or return another day. Also, we had the guide for Peterhof (a must & go by boat) and Catherine's Palace. I hope that you will go to the website. As I said, our guide made our trip. I am positive that we would have missed quite a bit on our own everyday. And I'm sure we would have wasted a lot of time trying to get to various place.This was the best of both worlds, a guide where needed and plenty of time on our own. Whatever you do, I'm sure that you will love St Petersburg! Ashley
I am curious about the lines as we encountered no lines on our trip -- but it was in September. We got tickets for the Hermitage at machines and skipped those lines and our guide for the Catherine Palace which was our only guided experience (as noted before, chosen for the logistics of getting there) had arranged tickets and we didn't have a line, but then we also didn't see lines. We did not find lines at any other site.
Both Moscow and St Petersburg I've done on my own, that is together with the Dear Partner. I can't remember any problem getting where we wanted to go. The Metro systems are well signed, and with a little exercise and patience you can recognize the station names. With a good map and a good guide - we had the Rough Guides - that part of the logistics is solved. The language is a major problem, but the usual tricks of pointing, looking helpless, and making a joke of it all do wonders. I would hate to be led by a guide, but for others it is a comfortable thought.
We also did both cities on our own. I found the DK Eyewitness guide for Moscow has the best map. I used the one from our library (kept the book at home). Took the smaller RS book for St. Petersburg ( his book on northern cities). His map and restaurant ideas were all good. We also downloaded the Google maps in our Android Samsung tablets/phones for both cities and then could get directions to any place we typed in. The blue ball guided us everywhere. I'm sure we missed somethings by not having a guide, but we just enjoy walking around and getting a sense of a place. If you like art, The Hermitage is great. We went 3 times and still missed alot. In St. Peterburg we stayed at the 3 Mosta which we loved (quite and not far from the Church of Spilled Blood.) We also loved the Georgian food in both cities. There's a great Georgian restaurant near the 3 Mosta hotel. We're now in Belarus- very scenic. Enjoy your trip!!
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From a practical point of view, travel between the two countries can be difficult. I understand the Russians who traveled in the US this past winter had to go to the US Embassy in the country of Georgia to get visas because the Russians expelled American embassy personnel. If you do travel to Russia, you may be on your own.
2487 posts. Both Moscow and St Petersburg I've done on my own, that is together with the Dear Partner. I can't remember any problem getting where we wanted to go. The Metro systems are well signed, and with a little exercise and patience you can recognize the station names.