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2023 KTM 1290 Super Duke GT Review [13 Fast Facts]

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The 2023 KTM 1290 Super Duke GT is different. It’s different in many ways, but above all else, the sport aspect of this sport-tourer shines brighter than most. Coming from the Ready To Race brand, that might be as shocking as a revelation as water being wet or the sky blue. As such, the Super Duke GT borrows much from its brother, affectionately referred to as The Beast, otherwise known as the 1290 Super Duke R . To that end, its mighty 1301cc V-twin and eye-opening performance figures propel it to heights that make supersport-touring a more fitting title.

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Let’s not get ahead of ourselves and paint the 1290 Super Duke GT as a one-trick pony. Nay, KTM’s machine gives road riders the versatility to don accessory luggage, rack up the miles, or tear up canyon roads with their knee-dragging buddies all the same—a mission statement set in stone at its introduction in 2016. After a brief hiatus, the SDGT returns to the US, bringing Euro 5 compliance updates to its LC8 V-twin, a new seven-inch TFT display, and lighter wheels to seize the headlines.

We got to know the 2023 KTM 1290 Super Duke GT, a motorcycle that makes commute slogs far more entertaining than usual, tackles canyon twisties, and even works as a high-powered grocery-getter—a testament to what’s in store.

  • A beast at heart—the 1301cc LC8 is a powerhouse from start to finish. There is genius in taking an unhinged super naked motorcycle and making it the basis for your sport-tourer. Sportbike fans will be pitching tents outside dealers when faced with 175 horsepower at 9750 rpm and 104 ft-lbs of torque at 7000 rpm, with the majority of massive low-end delivered a sniff off the line. Mighty as it is, KTM has retrained The Beast’s sibling with model-specific tuning to use its crayons instead of simply eating them to color a marble-slap-flat torque curve. Fortunately, its fangs aren’t dulled, and a good grip twist is enough to unleash ferocity laying beneath a sport-touring veneer, one that will easily loft the front wheel skyward. Vanilla, this is not, and the only downside is that this creature runs hot-blooded.

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  • A spacious gearbox leans into the torque curve eloquently. The R and, therefore, the GT, feature long gearing, making settling into a rhythm with the engine relatively easy. As a result, the well-programmed optional up/down quickshifter doesn’t get too much of a workout. Riders can flick their wrists, relying upon brawny low-end and enormous midrange to scoot them around nicely. Sixth gear is so tall that the mill barely turns 4k rpm at freeway speeds, highlighting it as a true overdrive cog. There is a flip side to all this, as it can get a little clattery at ultra-low rpm.
  • The Tech Pack on the 2023 KTM 1290 Super Duke GT we tested unlocks numerous essential features. The $860 Tech Pack provides a plethora of features, which consists of the Track Pack—advanced traction control, Track and Performance ride mode, ABS, wheelie control adjustment, and launch control—and adds the quickshifter, engine braking management (Motor Slip Regulation), and touring-oriented hill hold control. Seeing as the SDGT rests at the upper echelon of sport-touring machines, it’s disappointing that KTM continues to charge extra for features that are commonplace on not its main rivals, such as the Kawasaki H2 SX SE+ and Ducati Multistrada V4 RS, as well as other motorcycles well below this price range.
  • Five riding modes are available. Three preset riding modes are standard—Sport, Street, and Rain. Each adjusts the throttle map and engine performance accordingly. Fueling is spot-on in any mode, while Sport’s zest is perpetually attractive. Track and Performance modes kick open the doors, allowing riders to customize TC settings on the fly, select any of the aforementioned throttle maps, switch ABS modes from Road to Supermoto (because we’ve all wanted to back-in our Sport-Touring machines), and allow disabling wheelie control, which is almost mandatory for anything bearing the Duke name. All of those can be fiddled with via the crisp seven-inch TFT display.

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  • Speaking of rider aids, plenty is here to keep the shiny side up. Nine levels of TC are available, letting riders get as rowdy or as buttoned up as they like. We’re all looking for nannies that step in when indispensable, though not a moment earlier, which describes what we’ve got here—ditto for cornering ABS.
  • Brembo provides braking power. When dealing with Brembo Stylema calipers and a spiffy radial master cylinder, you can probably guess where this is going. The brakes offer great feel and enormous stopping power.
  • The engine braking management system does its thing while backing through the gears and hard on the binders, aiding the slipper clutch’s quest to prevent rear-wheel locking. While it definitely introduces some inconsistent feel on the Super Duke R, it is more agreeable in this less-pointed application.

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  • WP semi-active suspension works its magic with a few button clicks. We’re not hunting for lap times aboard the GT, though I wouldn’t blame anyone for doing a track day bike on the SDR Evo, which shares similar suspenders. Keeping things simple and direct for the average street rider is a good call here since we have three distinct damping modes available—Sport, Street, and Comfort—bolstered by four shock spring-preload settings. Damping-wise, the suspension modes live up to their namesakes. Sport mode allows the GT to scythe through canyon curves confidently, while Street soaks up battered city potholes and acts as a happy medium. Comfort takes a relatively billowy approach that’s excellent for droning highway hauls, though it can get a little loose once you’re leaned over.
  • The steel-trellis frame abides. KTM’s spicy sport-touring geometry is aligned with its class compatriots and, oddly enough, its figures are slightly tighter than the 1290 Super Duke R. What’s clearer these days, with Super Duke R/Evo’s even racier aspirations per the last platform update, is that there are far more distinct personalities in play. The GT doubles down on stability and gains your trust on that foundation, though it is no slouch when flicking the 526-pound bike onto the edge of its grippy Continental ContiSportAttack 4 rubber. Aiding in that notion are 2.2 pounds lighter wheels, shaving off precious unsprung weight and rotational mass, likely livening things up a hair.

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  • Tour long, far, and fast—that’s the 2023 KTM 1290 Super Duke GT mantra. That narrative feeds into the relaxed seating position, which, if you wanted to cite the largest disparity between its supremely naked brother, the SDR, you’d like to look no further than its casual riding position. While the 32.9-inch seat height seems a bit lofty on paper, remember that the V-twin packaging is slim; my 32-inch inseam has no issue reaching the deck. Beyond that, the wide handlebar provides all the leverage you need to hustle the SDGT around curves, while wind protection is aplenty thanks to the beefy fairings and adjustable windscreen. Of course, all the touchpoints are adjustable to suit riders of different sizes, and the new backlit switchgear is a great addition.
  • Touring amenities go a long way in expanding this machine’s scope of work. Sport is underlined, bolded, and shouted from the heavens, but this GT has nearly every creature comfort we’d want for a grand tour. An adjustable windscreen is followed up by LED cornering headlights, along with a 6.1-gallon fuel tank. Thankfully, cruise control (not adaptive cruise control), heated grips, handguards, self-canceling turn signals, and a key fob are all standard. New to the party are two discreet storage compartments tucked away inside each side of the fairing; this is where I stash the fob when riding. However, one item is curiously missing from that list of standard equipment.

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  • Side cases are an option now. GT stands for Grand Tour, so one assumes you’ll be packing your toiletries on an epic journey. As the prior generation boasted luggage as standard, we know KTM agreed—before this year. Making the cases optional keeps the SDGT’s MSRP below the foreboding 20k mark at $19,799. That’s dandy for the marketing department, but it’s $825 extra for swish saddlebags. The sturdy KTM PowerParts luggage is quickly taken on or off. While I couldn’t manage to stuff a medium full-face helmet in there due to an angular design, there’s room for a long jaunt or a respectable grocery bounty. If the OEM bags don’t tickle your fancy (there are aftermarket GT side cases available) or you just want the GT as a superb day-use sport bike, you won’t be paying for something you won’t use.
  • The sportier side of sport-touring is well taken care of with the 2023 KTM 1290 Super Duke GT. KTM isn’t a brand known for its subtlety, and the Super Duke GT perfectly represents that. Its 1301cc engine is one of the legendary mills of our generation. With its on-demand torque and superb performance, it deserves all the gushing it gets. Of course, we have a sporting chassis that is highly adaptable and decked out with many touring features, so this Beast variant keeps up with the Joneses on the feature front. Complaints about its performance are hard to come by, though we can still raise an eyebrow or wag a finger at should-be-standard electronic options or features that were once standard. Still, when its performance is considered, we suspect many owners will be busy lofting their front wheels off into the sunset and doing it comfortably.

Action photography by Don Williams Static photography by Nic de Sena and Don Williams

RIDING STYLE

  • Helmet: Arai Contour-X
  • Jacket: Spidi Bolide
  • Gloves: Spidi  Flash CE
  • Pants: Spidi J-Tracker
  • Boots: XPD  X-Road H2Out

2023 KTM 1290 Super Duke GT Specs  

Type: LC8 75-degree V-twin

Displacement: 1301cc

Bore x stroke: 108 x 71mm

Maximum power: 175 horsepower @ 9750 rpm

Maximum torque: 104 ft-lbs @ 7000 rpm

Valvetrain: DOHC, 4vpc

Fueling: Keihin EFI w/ 56mm throttle bodies

Transmission: Pankl 6-speed w/ optional quickshifter

Clutch: Hydraulically actuated wet multiplate w/ assist and slip functions

Final drive: 525 X-ring chain

Frame: Chromoly steel trellis w/ cast-aluminum/composite subframe

Handlebar: Tapered aluminum

Front suspension; travel: Fully adjustable semi-active WP inverted 48mm fork; 4.9 inches

Rear suspension; travel: Linkage-assisted, fully adjustable semi-active WP shock; 6.1 inches

Wheels: Cast aluminum

Front wheel: 17 x 3.50

Rear wheel: 17 x 6.00

Tires: Continental ContiSportAttack 4

Front tire: 120/70 x 17

Rear tire: 190/55 x 17

Front brakes: 320mm discs w/ radially mounted Brembo monobloc 4-piston calipers

Rear brake: 240mm disc w/ Brembo two-piston caliper

ABS: Bosch 9ME Combined-ABS w/ Supermoto mode

DIMENSIONS and CAPACITIES

Wheelbase: 58.3 inches

Rake: 24.9 degrees

Seat height: 32.8 inches

Fuel tank capacity: 6.1 gallons

Estimated fuel consumption: 41 mpg

Curb weight: 526 pounds

2023 KTM 1290 Super Duke GT Price: $19,799 MSRP ($21,484 as tested w/ side cases and Tech Pack)

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KTM 1290 SUPER ADVENTURE S (2017 - 2020) Review

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  • Tarmac-tackling super adventure bike
  • Torquey V-twin motor
  • Agile, confident handling

At a glance

Overall rating.

The KTM 1290 Super Adventure S is the direct replacement for the 1190 Adventure , and comes with everything the R boasts, but skewed firmly towards tarmac riding, rather than being genuinely dual-purpose.

  • Related : All-new KTM 1290 Super Adventure incoming

The biggest and most obvious change, beside the lack of orange frame and crash bars, is the use of 19in front and 17in rear cast wheels in place of the larger laced items on the R. They are then complimented by shorter travel suspension to lower the centre of gravity – and seat height (from 890mm on the R to an adjustable 860/875 on the S).

That suspension is WP semi-active front and rear, allowing riders to select the best option for their load and conditions, from Comfort, Street, Sport and Off-road via the control menu – even on the go.

The S gets all the same electronic assistance for the rider, too – including Motorcycle Stability Control (MSC), multi-mode and lean-angle sensitive combined ABS. Just like the R, you can monitor all those systems via the all-new 6.5in full-colour TFT dash.

The S model comes on Pirelli Scorpion Trail II tyres as standard fitment in 120/70 R 19 and 170/60 R 17 tyre sizes.

Once you've read this review and our owners' reviews, you may want to join an owners' community like this one on Facebook .

Ride quality & brakes

The semi-active WP suspension has four settings – Comfort, Street, Sport and Off-road – which reacts according to your chosen riding mode, and can be swapped on the fly. The new S is sportier than the old Super Adventure.

The steering is light for such a big bike, which encourages you to really throw it around with relative ease. When the semi-active suspension is working overtime the 1290 remains composed, stable and boosts confidence. 

The 1301cc V-Twin is now Euro 4 compatible and KTM have cleaned up the motor with a new exhaust, new cylinder head, including valves and cams, plus changes to the fuelling. Even though the engine is cleaner and quieter than before KTM say the power and torque figures remain the same as the old model, 160bhp and 103.25ftlb of torque. It makes 79.6ftlb of torque at just 2,500rpm!

Reliability & build quality

KTM’s reliablity and quality is improving and the 160bhp is near proven in other models such as the 1290 GT and Super Duke. 

We've got 7 KTM 1290 Super Adventure S owners' reviews on the site, with an overall score of 4.4 stars out of 5. Reliability has been a problem for some. 

Value vs rivals

The base price of £14,299 means it's cheaper than the competiton and for that you get a decent level of specification. However, the bike we tested would cost £16,777, which isn't too bad and puts it much closer to the competition.

The KTM 1290 comes with an impressive spec sheet. Four rider modes, cornering ABS and lean senstive traction control, all controlled by the fancy new colour dash. Other neat touches include LED cornering headlight, keyless ingnition, cruise control, illuminated switchgear, self-locking manual screen and even a waterproof phone storage compartment complete with USB input. Heated grips are an optional exta.

Model history & versions

Model history.

2017: Model introduced

Other versions

Other KTM 1290 Super Adventure reviews on MCN

  • KTM 1290 Super Adventure review (2015-on)

MCN Long term test reports

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MCN Fleet: KTM 1290 Adventure S – Arrival imminent!

To say I’m excited about the impending arrival of my longterm KTM 1290 Adventure S is an understatement. Having got up close and personal with the model at the MCN London show in February, I was seriously impressed with the look feel and the plethora of features it boasts. I’m not an overly big fan …

Owners' reviews for the KTM 1290 SUPER ADVENTURE S (2017 - 2020)

23 owners have reviewed their KTM 1290 SUPER ADVENTURE S (2017 - 2020) and rated it in a number of areas. Read what they have to say and what they like and dislike about the bike below.

Review your KTM 1290 SUPER ADVENTURE S (2017 - 2020)

Annual servicing cost: £250

I absolutely live this bike, I bought it new in 2020, I've never kept a bike so long, my previous bike was a BMW R1200GS, the KTM in my opinion is more fun and very flexible. I don't know what I'd replace it with.

Brembo brakes and WP suspension

Stonking engine

I've done 19,000 trouble free miles, no corrosion issues other than the usual center stand cross bar. I think the materials are good quality, for example good grade stainless steel has been used for the exhaust and the paint thickness is good so no issues with paint peeling on the engine like my BMW.

The service intervals are good at 9000 miles, however the 18,000 mile service is valve check which means fuel tank removal it being a v-twin

Electronic everything.

Buying experience: Bought from a local dealer, great value as there was an offer on, the bike was £15,000 but then there was £2400, given towards accessories, I chose full luggage, heated seats, heated grips etc.

Annual servicing cost: £400

Best = Engine, Worst = Reliability = KTM u.k.

approx 2 hours

Torque - instant delivery

Fuel pump failed - Fuel tank sender failed -front brake failed (twice) - air locks in coolant system

Engine .Acc: quickshifter - heated grips- cruise control-aluminium bash plate (does not really need heated seat)

Buying experience: Privately- £12500

Version: 2019

Annual servicing cost: £260

This version is very tall and will not suit those of shorter stature. The motor will run all day long Powerful fast and handles like a dream. Mine came fully loaded with all extras except the quickshifter. In 3 years the bike has never let me down. Servicing has been affordable. This is the best bike I have ever owned in 50 years of biking. Keep the battery on a trickle charger when not in use to avoid and electrical issues. I have not had any but others recommend this.

Standard seat and screen were replaced. KTM PP Comfort seat at outset and I bought an MRA screen after 3 months. Ride time is 2 hours and you seldom notice numb bum before that. Suspension is semi active and really smooths out bumpy roads and offers great handling.

I like the twin motor after avlife on 4 cylinder machines I feared a loss of grunt and speed off the line. Its probably not quite as quick but with the torque I just don't care there is plenty of power.

I like the build its sturdy and feel solid and planted on the road. A number of fixings on the discs and body work either rust or lose their black finish. Easy to resolve.

3 services over 15,000 mile were all the same price. Still on the same brake pads, chain and sprockets. Front tyre wears out faster than the rear by 50%.

I mentioned the screen, the Perrilli scorpions I found were OK but there are better tyres out there. I found I had a lot of people pulled out on me from side roads so bought an Denali accessory commander and fitted 4 spots two yellow lower and 2 bright upper one which has cured that problem. Great night time lighting. Most people add engine bars and mine came with KTM Luggage. I put a Touratec foot on the side stand which helps take the weight nicely.

Buying experience: Dealer special. Came with everything but quick Shifter in the price. The number of KTM dealers has reduced but mine dies a great job.

Fabulous. Lacks reliability but dealers are great and this is the most fun motorcycke I have ever owned. Go try one. Believe the hype.

Handling is astonishingly good. Great tyres, active suspension and tall position giving miles of view. I would suggest that this may be the fastest bike down any British B Road. Agile, powerful and just so sure footed and confidence inspiring. Very, very good. Brakes are strong but hard braking and long forks can make things a bit lively. But the cornering ABS is so sorted you can push well into the limits of tyre / grip voodoo without any fear. Though it doesn't change the laws of physics as a muddy drainage ditch and overconfidence highlighted.

Powerful, smooth and fueling is spot on (better than the newer model). The intake roar when you open the throttle makes you giggle. The way you are then propelled forward makes you laugh out loud. No engine problems. Lots of torque down low and screaming, fabulous madness towards the red line. This is just an incredible engine.

My Super Adventure has broken my heart on a few too many mornings. Electrical gremlins killed the screen, the starter switch and the electronic pre load. All these things have been fixed and Laguna Performance Centre at Ashford have been great. But waiting for the RAC or limping back to the dealer has spoilt my fun with my lovely Orange companion. I still love the bike but it just isn't reliable.

The original tyres have been great. Strangely the front wore out before the rear. 4,000 miles for the Pirelli Scorpion front and about 6,000 for the rear. The tyres have been fantastic and despite their slightly higher cost and off road protentions they have great fun. Servicing cost is about standard but service intervals are long. The thing about this bike is it is the most fun I have ever has on a motorcycle. Agile, fast, comfortable. I would pay just for the smiles it gives me. For that it is priceless.

Heated grips, heated seat and KTM My Ride. All are great but have been killed by electrical gremlins on a few occasions. When everything is working it is a fabulous bike ti ride over distance. I am in.a minority but I think KTM My Ride is an awesome bit of kit. Take your time setting it up and the discreet navigation and guidance on the screen are clear, accurate and always right.

Buying experience: Despite the electrical problems this is the most fun I have ever had on a motorcycle. I think I am the target audience for this bike, big, older and too stiff for sports bike. Just fabulous. I would buy another one and just accept that with KTM's boldness and innovation comes new and not always reliable technology. If you want reliable and easy buy a GS. If you want beautiful buy a Multi Strada. If you want a smile on your face everything you ride buy the KTM

Annual servicing cost: £220

Bike is well-equipped as standard. Fast, economical, generally well-built.

Brilliant all-round bike. Smooth at high cruising speeds, punchy on narrower roads. Powerful brakes. Semi-active suspension firm but very effective. Seat OK for 2 hours. Firm. Riding position very adjustable to suit.

Fabulous engine. Very strong mid-range, smooth at a cruise. Economical- 55mpg.

Only fault- water ingress into right-hand switch block. Cured with wd-40.

First service is costly at £220, but next (annual) one is the same.

Excellent LED lights. Cornering lights do work, very useful on country roads. TFT screen the best I have used. Very clear, even in sunlight. Standard Pirelli tyres v. Good. Shad panniers- fit well, excellent quality, much cheaper than KTM versions.

Buying experience: Bought from dealer. Discount approx. £2K.

What a bike An adventure bike shoukd never be this fast , or handle so well I’ve owned many bikes but this just keeps giving , endless power Amazing suspension and a do it all bike . It’s so swift on our broken roads , where my road bike was chucking me out the seat this just gives a magic carpet ride It’s akso great of fuel returning 50mpg and a 200 mile plus tank range Ditch the original tyres , fit some decent road rubber like Michelin road 5 or Metz , drop the forks in the yolks a little and you’ll know why it’s called the beast . Keyless ignition is pointless on a bike , but the rest of the tech electronics and features are just great

Ride quality is amazing with 4 different modes in both pre load and damping . Brakes are average better sbs pads help

It’s not called the beast for nothing , the engine is just so involving , endless power and torque and the ability Rev too

3 years 12 k miles no problems so far

It’s an easy bike to self service Dealer service cost are cheaper than my last Suzuki gsxs1000

There every feature I could wish for and few pointless ones like less ignition and hill hold The quickshift and blipper are great

Buying experience: I bought private , but local Ktm dealer jd racing are excellent

1290 is superb in all aspects. Fast, smooth, semi-active suspension works on all types of road.Economy is unexpected, averaging 55mpg in mixed riding.

Ride quality with semi-active suspension is firm but very well controlled. Seat is good for 2 hours or so - KTM only do 'firm'. Brakes are superb, with excellent power and lever feel. Did North Coast 500 - 1600 miles in 5 days; no issues and bike was superb in all conditions. Averaged 54 mpg.

Throttle response is very smooth; sharper in sports mode, perfect in normal road mode. Easy to ride slowly in town, powerful and responsive on open roads.

No corrosion, after almost 2 years. One problem- water ingress on right-hand switch- gear, solved with a few squirts of wd40. Otherwise totally reliable.

Oil change service at £220 is similar to other makes, but still expensive for minor work.

TFT screen is great to use, very clear and displays all useful touring info. Shad panniers are well made and good value compared with factory option

Buying experience: Dealer purchase. Special offer reduced price to under £12000.

Annual servicing cost: £150

Excellent performance, comfort, safety and reliability. Good fuel economy the biggest issue is the seat height being only 5ft 8” it’s a tip toe reach,

Great all round bike touring weekend runs or shopping no problems

Superb motor

It’s my second 1299s never had any issues with rust or bodywork looking tired, had a few software updates only one time that was unable to start due to a software glitch was easily rectified by pull main fuse and replacing it.

Services are every 9000 miles small ones around 150 and full around 350

Love the TFT and it’s uses and information, extras recommended Quick shifter, crash bars heated grips as musts , tyres tried Bridgestone A41 but found them slow to turn so have stayed with Pirelli Scorpion 2s

Buying experience: First bike brand new with all extras tourpack grips bars etc 2017 £15200 this bike 2019 ex demo as above £11900 dealer

This machine alters your perspective of dual sport bikes - be prepared to be shocked, this machine is capable of everything & more. Acceleration is mind altering as you’d never expect that kind of performance from this type of bike. Did 1800 miles in 4 days in high tech comfort, previously had a GSA but this is in a different league, go on, just give one a try

Phenomenal machine - Blackbird power in a dual sport !! no one could have imagined this 10 years ago

Buying experience: M&P - I had great service but depends on who you deal with

Annual servicing cost: £100

A simply awesome bike that just does it all while putting a huge grin on your face , happy scratching making sports look silly when surfaces aren’t perfect And just as happy riding back lanes and gravel roads . Engine modes and electronic suspension make fit a perfect combination for any condion or road Forget any pre conceived ideas about big adventure bikes , this breaks the mold

As comfy as a bike can get I think pillion is very happy too The best part of this bike is that it’s at its best almost everywhere , so many settings and options for suspension and engine

The engine is best part . It’s a total peach . Soo much torque , slipper clutch , auto blipper quick shifter , motors don’t get better than this

No problems , but it’s a high tech bike full of the latest electronics . Keyless ignition I personally think is stupid especially on a bike

Relatively easy to self service , and service intervals and costs are longer and cheaper than my Suzuki gsxs1000 50 mpg is easy to achieve

All you need , cruise sat nav , heated grips , , get them all enabled as part of the package , heated seats and hill hold aren’t required IMO

Buying experience: Jd racing saltash Cornwall just great ktm dealer

Simply incredible bike , does everything so well

Ride quality is superb with a setting for everything from sport to off-road . The engine modes really do work on this bike , fueling is very good Suspension setting for every load condition , and comfort to sport in damping .

Ktm 1290 motor is best part of all , it just oozes effortless torque for a really usable road bike . This motor is special , easy to use gently in wet and tricky situations , yet eye watering power delivery for fast road use . Probably the easiest motor I’ve ever used to make fast progress on everyday roads

No problems in 3 years and 8k miles . It’s high tech so Iam impressed so far

Easy to self service , reasonably long intervals

Wants for nothing really brilliant tft screen with everything from cruise controll I score 4out of 5 because I feel keyless ignition on a motorbike is a backward step

Buying experience: Private purchase , but our local ktm dealer jd racing are fantastic

Best features: Engine, handling, electronics package. Worst features: Seat could be more comfortable. Lots of heat from the rear cylinder in warm weather.

The clever suspension works in pretty much any conditions and no matter how poor the road surface is. On decent twisty roads it will give any sports bike a run for the money - pretty amazing for a bike you can also happily take on a multi thousand mile tour.

Could pull tree stumps out. Awesome.

No issues. Bike owned from new and now on 12k miles.

Servicing costs aren't too bad. It is a big complex bike after all.

Everything you could possibly want. I'm still finding features after 2 years of ownership.

Buying experience: No problems at all. I thought I got a decent deal, although they have been discounted since then.

Strange things that took me a while wondering about and trying to understand this bike: - The Adv bike with the largest engine displacement in the market is lighter than 90% of 1000cc naked bikes! - 1300cc Vtwin with that high compression, hp and torque .., and not vibrating like a big bore V twin. - Chain drive on a big adv - It's an Adv but not blended form offroad / touring like most in the market, it's more of a Hyper Naked / off-road / "some" touring blend Riding experience: - Power and maneuvers is the first comment form everyone who tested it so far, Powerful response and sharp maneuvers that feels like a good 1000cc street bikes - Popping off the font wheel and pushing the traction control beyond its limits and having the rear wheel spin is very normal, you have to take it very easy on throttle, btw this happens also at higher gears and speeds- At low speeds power delivery is very smooth and not cranky at all (expect on sport mode needs you to be a bit sensitive on throttle)- Idle RPM is high ~1500 needs some time to a adapt then its a not issue- Always asking for a lower gear, you can't pass a speed bump at none adv speed bump speed :) on 2nd gear you must shift down to 1st, - 5th and 6th are not the gears to cruise less than or equals 100Kph, 4th is the 100kph cruising  gear in this KTM- Braking performance, KTM was pragmatic enough  to handed over the braking system to Brembo- Neutral is not easy to catch. You have to be sensitive or have good gear box mechanical experience :)- Vibration is very minimum till 6 rpm then you start to feel it a bit, but it depends on your perspective, compared with Japanese cruisers, Ducati, off-road bikes it has no vibration, compared to Japanese 4 inline or parallel twin it has a bit vibration feeling- Suspensions for a person like me, semi adaptive electronic suspension feels like a spaceship, - Damp settings Sport, Street, comfort, Off-road do exactly like it's name- Setting Damp, preload, abs, riding mode on the fly is real +- Fuel weight well distributed and at low hight-  When you want to get the hell out of the 160hp it burns fuel like street bikes, other than that  consumption is good for travel and commuting- Heat: it's like eu cars it heats till 90-100 degrees and keeps like that all the time, 100% not as hot as described on forums especially if you are used to hot weather or 1000+ street bikes. while commuting in sunlight 38 degrees, you feel "some heat" from the seat but I would say a very normal heat, no concentrated heat at you legs and feet at all, so it's a normal big bore heat however in concourse I've experienced all lot more and was having a much bigger complain   - Wheelbase is a bit short compared to ADV bikes, its makes it jump higher and easier maneuvers also easy to spin the rear wheel this must be taken in account while cornering- Highway riding: street bike acceleration and braking performance all the way, - Handling response gets harder after 200kph, not convenient after 220, more of a boat traction (probably because height and weight) also it's not the use case for an adv bike - Accelerates faster than the suspension semi adaptive, if you reach 200+ very quickly you'll need to wait couple of seconds till the suspension adapts - also the front wheel always lifts up when accelerating on any speed so you lose a bit of a traction in the front wheel during sudden acceleration, if you're well connected with the bike and have the right experience it's just a muscle memory - don't think 250+ Kph is an option as advertised unless you are in a straight tunnel alone:) over 200 the risk strats and over 220 it's totally out of its comfort zone, not sure but I think it's locked at 23x kph.it maneuvers and corners very sharp but your head is very high, you need to change your body position if you're going extreme.TFT is very nice but as usual KTM fonts are too small, Mobile connectivity is good for caller id and media playing also controlled form the handle bar is nice, puting google maps on the TFT was supposed to be there, ktm navigation app is useless. so the company that handed over the braking to brembo are trying to compete with Google in SW :DHandlebar switches, finally! they light at night :) Also you control everything with 4 bottoms very easily and conveniently once you get used to it.   Although the user manual rejects to adjust the windscreen on while riding, it's really very easy to do, but don't tell anyoneother than the Adv and travel capabilities, it's a good bike to commute in case your commute mixes city with highway, also for egyptial silky smooth roadsTop case and a tank bag should be the maximum luggage settings (a duffle on the pylon for long trips) side cases will kill it, you will lose the benefit of having a very fit / slim bike, also weight on the front wheel is already low, side cases + rack will make it lose more traction easily.Negative things that must change / upgrade (at least for me): - Seat is very hard after 45mins, but KTM ergo seat solved the issue for 200$ - Bar height needs to raise to the maximum of the cables (SW motech solved it) - Windscreen is a failure from KTM :) no protection and zero optical correction in case somebody is short enough to see through -Foot pegs at the lowest settings are still high for a 185cm+ person (solved by the 20mm height I got form the ergo seat), however compared to something like super tenere there are still room for dropping it lower.A very good adv for road / trails, R version will nail it in extreme off roadFeels well built, and holding itself togetherDon't get it if: - You have overweight to obese body - if you are planning to have 3 hardcases and a passenger all time - if you are shorter than 170 cm (unless you're an expert rider) - if you didn't ride a fast bike before (sports, sport touring, hyper naked...) you need to be used to such a response before combining it with Height. - if you have soft hands :P and consider the chain maintenance a pain in the ass. - if the 160hp is your only attraction go get a street bike, it's a powerful adv with a powerful street capabilities, so you have to see it a and ADV not streetOther experience - Stock exhaust is already loud and sounds good, improvement should be for different tone or lighter weight but not a louder volume - Tool box and user manual are targeting riders who work with their own hands -  Oil change parts are more expensive around 50$ - needs a very special oil 10w-50 but not necessary Motorex - aftermarket parts are much cheaper than japanese bikes - very easy to move around in parking (like a naked bike)

Best = Torquey engine, dash & ride. Enough said!

It's as happy on Twisties as it is on the open road. Yet to introduce it to the dirty side of it's character but I have no doubt it'll perform. Comfortable for several hours in the saddle.

Awesome, just awesome.....

Solid as an orange rock!

Economical for a beast.

The dash & controls are excellent. It sounds even better with the Akra fitted. Benefits from an after market clip on wind deflector on top of the screen.

Buying experience: Brand new purchase on the "let's trade keys" deal so got £1290 worth of accessories.

Annual servicing cost: £300

Astonishingly Good

Soooooo comfy to ride. I commute, tour and play on it and it is comfy for everything. It is very tall though. Be careful. The suspension is the best I have ever experienced. I was sceptical of semi active and cornering ABS etc but I have to say it is a revelation. Just fantastic.

Loads and loads of power but it is the smooth way it is delivered and the faultless fuelling which make this really special. I run it in Sports mode most of the time and even then it is smooth , well behaved and easy to use. I probably don't need to use Sports mode but the induction roar and instant hit of power are addictive.

Had electrical problems, the screen and starter. It seems some moisture got in but Laguna fixed it and KTM got the parts to them quickly. I am happy with the service.

A big heavy adventure bike with 160 bhp. It isn't cheap to run but it is worth every penny. I recommend the Scorpion Trail 2s. Fantastic grip and quite hard wearing. Suit the bike very well.

Everything you could need. I have the heated seat and grips and they work great with the quick selection on the menu. I use KTM My Ride for Navigation. I have heard lots of complaints but once set up mine has been fantastic. It is clear, easy to use and works great.

Buying experience: Got a deal on the bike but the seat, luggage and grips were expensive. Still a great deal for the best bike I have ever owned.

Annual servicing cost: £180

Brilliant Engine, very smooth quickshifter. You do get some heat from the right sided of the bike from the rear cylinder. Dash is fantastic

Great WP suspension

Awesome engine and power delivery

Too early to tell this is a recent purchase

Great deal saved 2400 off the normal price. Was considering GS 1250 (second hand) but got a brand new 1290 with lots of extras for less than the cost of 2nd hand GS

Heated grips and quickshifter should be standad

Buying experience: Bought from Premier bikes near Oxford, made the buying experience very simple, offered deals on the extras as well.

Adventure bike that is still fun to ride

Ride quality is incredible. This suspension package is without doubt the best I have ever used, and I have ridden or owned every adventure bike on the matket.

This is where the bike really shines, the power is smooth , controllable and ample. As the torque builds , if you wish you can lift the front wheel off small bumps at 80 mph plus, obviously where legal to do so. Or you can set the bike in street mode and cruise along barely touching the throttle, with no complaints from engine or transmission. Oh yes nearly forgot, get the quickshifter installed at your first service , though the clutch is light and the gearbox slick the quickshifter (once you learn how to use it , ie don’t shut throttle and don’t touch clutch!! ) is incredible

Nothing has failed, fallen off or broken , though make sure you wash road salt off in the winter.

This bike, though relatively expensive represents great value for money, considering the level of kit supplied, versus certain German competition.

It’s got everything you could imagine and more, the electronic suspension and traction control are literally out of this world, particularly in the wet when you can feel it helping keep you in control, simply amazing, though Ktm should include the “travel pack” with the initial price ( travel pack includes quickshifter, hill hold control and asc)

Buying experience: Kestrel KTM all the way, the team there are brilliant, very helpful and a pleasure to deal with.

Bought bike brand new handling was rubbish turned out the steering head bearing was loose ! Engine hunting when engine hot in traffic, making bike difficult to ride (Dealer couldn’t fix problem) , uncomfortable seat. Sold mine after 4 months 4,000miles and bought a BMW GS almost perfect!

Engine hunting when hot , dealer failed to solve problem

Depreciation was massive !

Uncomfortable seat , gel seat fitted no better . Tall screen fitted standard one too low

Buying experience: Bought new sold 4 months 4,000 miles later . Not a good touring bike , uncomfortable seat, Engine hunting when hot at low speeds making bike a pain to ride in traffic

Version: 1290 Super Adventure R

Annual servicing cost: £500

This bike has awesome handling and the engine is something else but I had a few teething problems.

I use my bike for touring and daily commuting and it does both without an issue. There's plenty of go in the motor for lugging luggage and the chassis handles really well. The brakes feel a little wooden at times.

There's nothing to dislike about the engine, it has awesome power everywhere. It is very smooth and cruises at any speed. I regularly get 55mpg without trying.

The bike has had to have new fork sliders fitted due to failing chrome and I'm waiting to have a new keyless fuel cap fitted as the current one has failed. The fit and finish is light-years ahead of the R1200GS LC Adventure I had previously...... Awful paint quality on the frame and engine on the BMW.

I love the cruise control and the touring electronics package. The quickshifter is light-years ahead of the gear shift assist pro on the BMW I had. I have Apduro panniers fitted to my bike, which are superb and use a BMW-style quick release system. I can also recommend the KTM Power Parts two-piece heated seats, which are a revelation in both comfort and also the heat is a welcome bonus on winter mornings.

Buying experience: I bought my bike used from CMC Motorcycles, who were brilliant. All work on the bike post sale has been carried out by TripleD KTM at Kendal, who are superb and I can't recommend them enough.

A very powerful engine, great gear, but in high speed not stable.

Fun to ride. Great in the twisties.

Power, power, power.

no big issues

Not more expensive then my previous bikes.

Buying experience: Got a pretty good deal.

The bike lives up to all the marketing hype and then some. Readers will observe that I am a huge fan of the KTM, that said if I was riding two up I would probably take the GS, so some objectivity can be taken from narrative. I mostly ride solo and in this guise the KTM does make every ride an adventure, it's the way it does it which is so exhilarating that did it for me. I am sure others will say the same about a Ducati or Triumph. We are all lucky to have so much current choice of quality bikes.

Perfect in every respect faultless. I don't believe the KTM and GS should be compared, luckily enough I have both and they both are brilliant bikes, they just get from A to B in very different styles. I spend 99.9% of my time on tarmac, but the roads in South East England are so so poor it feels like riding 99.9 % over potholes. But the roads don't bother these types of bikes they just tramp on and on and steer so well at what ever pace is set.

Blows everything else away KTM clearly have some very clever chaps at the factory. The rider modes suit every circumstance, rarely use sport mode in the UK. Pointless.

So far so good done 4000 miles mostly in europe in the alps in September. Too early to tell about reliability. I do tend to do as much servicing and preventative maintainace as i can. I also have a very old BMW GS 1100 for winter use and another BM GSA 1200 last of air cooled models. BMW,s do need looking after as well. I do apply plenty of product products to all my bikes and they all get pampered. So I do my bit to give the bikes he best chance to be reliable

Haven't had to pay for a big service yet but as with all these high spec bikes you buy knowing what you are letting yourself in for!

I fully loaded my KTM with just about everything but kitchen sink. Heated seats brilliant no idea why Germans don't offer options in GS they are missing a trick. The heated seat design is also so much more comfortable than the standard seat even with no heat! For me what swung the KTM to me and not GS or Ducati Multi Strada or Triumph, I really wanted to love the triumph but the looks didn't do it for me, was KTM equipment the ipad dash which is so clear and informative,the electronic package cornering headlights which really do work, quick shifter up and down the box is flawless and so much fun every where. It very quickly becomes completely intuitive to use and I have ridden many many bikes.

Buying experience: KTM know I will be a misery if I get any real grief that can't be sorted by normal protocols, but I will also be a pussy cat provided the bike does what it is supposed to do. Laguna Motorcycles did me proud and they do know me well. Had a bumpy start with KTM UK about customer service. Enough said move on, I'll give KTM benefit of the doubt for the moment. I didn't think they really understood modern customer service as well as they should at the beginning of the journey. Many many years ago I was in "the trade " front of house so to speak so I know how the whole customer journey should work...

Lets place for improvement of the seat height compared to the handlebar. Imho that would make it a 5-star tourer.

the brakes are top notch. But the engine, that is from another level.

Smooth at low revs. And beasty once above 4500rpm

Compared to others it is no more expensive than Japanese let alone a German or an English.

Full package for a reasonable price considering other brands.

Buying experience: In my country, the KTM dealership team ARE the nicest of them all. Not snobbish as the dealers of my previous bike *coughs in German*.

Version: 1290 Adv S

Annual servicing cost: £170

what a bike, what an engine, great suspension. Awesome machine . Standard seat aint so comfy. need the ergo seat.

ride quality spot on

awesome engine, puts a real smile on your face

Windscreen not very scratch resistant

costly. 30 quid more than a GS

love the LCD screen, Gear shifter, suspension.

Buying experience: small network V BMW. But happy to travel as bike so much fun

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2018 KTM 1290 Super Adventure S | First Look Review

2018 KTM 1290 Super Adventure S

When the KTM 1190 Adventure debuted for 2014, it was a revelation, brimming with a 131-horsepower V-twin, cornering ABS (the first motorcycle to offer this important safety innovation), multiple engine, traction control and ABS modes, semi-active suspension, a tire-pressure monitoring system and remarkable capability both on pavement and off-road.

Read our KTM 1190 Adventure/R long-term review

2018 KTM 1290 Super Adventure S

Over the past few years, as the adventure touring segment stood out as one of the few bright spots in an otherwise sluggish motorcycle market, KTM has expanded and reconfigured its Adventure lineup. For 2018, there’s the dirt-focused, 125-horsepower 1090 Adventure R, the dirt-focused, 160-horsepower 1290 Super Adventure R (both are equipped with 21-inch front/18-inch rear spoked wheels and manually adjustable, extra-long-travel suspension), and the new, street-focused 1290 Super Adventure S.

Read our 2017 KTM 1090 Adventure R review

Read our 2017 KTM 1090 Adventure R vs Honda Africa Twin comparison review

2018 KTM 1290 Super Adventure S

Based on the 1290 Super Adventure R that was introduced for 2017, the new S model is powered by the same 1,301cc version of the liquid-cooled, 75-degree LC8 V-twin that makes a claimed 160 horsepower at 8,750 rpm and 103 lb-ft of torque at 6,750 rpm and sends power to the rear wheel through a 6-speed transmission with a slipper clutch and chain final drive. Both models have four riding modes (Sport, Street, Offroad and Rain), Motorcycle Stability Control (which includes multi-mode cornering ABS and traction control, with settings that change based on riding mode), a chrome-moly steel trellis frame, Brembo brakes, an LED headlight with integrated cornering lights and a daytime running light, a 6.5-inch, full-color TFT instrument panel, heated grips and an on-the-go manually adjustable windscreen.

2018 KTM 1290 Super Adventure S

Since the 1290 Super Adventure S is geared more toward street riding, it’s equipped with WP semi-active suspension with four damping settings (Sport, Street, Comfort and Offroad) and pushbutton-adjustable rear preload with four settings (solo, solo with luggage, two-up and two-up with luggage). Cast aluminum wheels with a 19-inch front and 17-inch rear are shod Pirelli Scorpion Trail II 90/10 adventure tires.

2018 KTM 1290 Super Adventure S

Other features include cruise control, a tire-pressure monitoring system, a waterproof smartphone compartment with an integrated USB charging socket, the Race On remote keyless system, auto-cancelling turn signals and integrated mounts for the accessory touring cases (36L left, 30L right, $1,199.99). The seat’s height is adjustable (33.9/34.4 inches), fuel capacity is 6.1 gallons and claimed dry weight is 489 pounds.

2018 KTM 1290 Super Adventure S

The 2018 KTM 1290 Super Adventure S is available now in gray or orange for an MSRP of $17,999. The optional Travel Pack ($524.99) adds Hill Hold Control, Motor Slip Regulation, Quickshifter + (up and down clutchless shifting) and the KTM My Ride system, which allows for display and control of incoming calls and audio via Bluetooth, as well as turn-by-turn navigation on the TFT dash when used in conjunction with the smartphone app.

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Bought one Saturday. Looked at the new Ducati Multistrsda S and couldn’t justify the the Duc as priced by local dealer would be $5000 more—if both had bags. The Duc dealer is playing the “exclusive” card and not moving much on prices. No belt service on KTM either.

I guess your KTM will out strip the Duc with all that torque. Sat on a Multi a few years back and felt more like a super motard riding position, I.e slightly forward. It was also very ‘skinny’. Sat on the Super Adv 1290 Touring and felt like the real deal. Just a little bit jealous! Enjoy and be safe.

“No belt service”? Chains are a much bigger P.I.T.A.

I’ve ridden the Ducati Multistrada and REALLY liked it (seating position, windscreen protection, SOUND,) but I am more than a little concerned with the desmodromic valve and belt adjustments. The cost of the adjustments alone can be a small fortune (“If you have to ask, you probably can’t afford it…”). One of the only two KTM dealers in Atlanta has finally gotten a 2018 1290 Super Adventure S in stock, still in its shipping crate. I told the dealer if this one has the available Travel Pack, I’m coming in to make a down payment this Saturday.

DO IT! I l LOVE my 1290 S Adv. R

The travel pack is already included on every KTM SA S. It is just a software update away. The electronics and mechanical components are there they just have to be “turned on” for a price of course

Herb, Tom is talking about the Ducati’s TIMING belts, not the DRIVE belt. Ducatis use a chain final drive, just like the KTMs.

Tom Traynor, the Duck was $5,000 MORE than the KTM?! You’re not kidding about the “exclusive card.” Ducati is the Harley-Davidson of sportbikes. If it weren’t for Hollywood jamming them down everyone’s throat, they’d still be where they were 20-some years ago. “Who makes Ducati?”

I have a 2016 1190 R and I am more than likely getting the S next year.

I’ve had my 1190 Adv (not the R) since June 2013 and it’s head-and-shoulders the best bike of about a dozen I’ve tried over the years. If the 1290 Adv S is anything like it–and there’s good reason to think it’s even better–then the time is definitely right for a new boney…

I’ve now had my anthracite-grey SA 1290 S for a month. Wow, what a bike! The most immediately obvious differences from the 1190, apart from the cosmetics (headlight, TFT display, wind screen controls, etc.) are threefold:

1. Noticeably more low-end torque; 2. Much firmer seat (bordering on hard); and 3. The soundtrack’s more throaty and uneven (perhaps due to running-in mode).

A biker friend who’s owned a SA 1290 R for several months told me that his bike accelerates marginally faster up to about 160 km/h (100 mph) than the Superduke R, though the latter has the upper hand on top end. Apparently he established this by direct competition with a Superduke R owner. (We’re at an altitude of about 5,500 ft.) I’m not really too surprised by that result, now that I’ve felt the SA’s amazing torque delivery.

Can’t wait to buy one!! I know, I’m crazy, cause I’ll buy the 1290 adv S as my first motorcycle! At my age and height, it is just perfect! 😉

Great bike. I’m an original LC8 adv owner (2003 950). Now also own 2017 1290 SAR. Awesome bike with slightly different riding bent than this bike. Still, the engines and most of the features are common between them. A friend of mine has the S and it is perfect for his purposes. More directed toward the crowd who would choose the BMW 1200 GSA. My wife owns a 1200 GS so I am intimately familiar with that bike’s capabilites and shortcomings. The BMW is a great bike for roads including some dirt tracks. The KTMs are much more capable in serious off highway use with equal rider capabilities. The 1290 SAS is also equal to the GS in on highway capabilities (from my experience with both). I chose the SAR because of its proclivity for serious offroad use. I also prefer to adjust/tweek the suspension myself. IMO, if you are looking for a BMW GSA alternative with better offroad capabilities, go with the KTM 1290 SAS.

Just bought one and I love it. Article states it comes with heated grips this is wrong they are an option.

I bought a 2017 1290 Super Adventure S, this is an incredible machine I cannot fault it and absolutely love it best bike I have ever owned and there has been a lot! I have heated grips, heated comfort seat,Acrapovic pipe (DB killers removed),travel pack and more!! Stuart Roberts

Stuart, what’s your opinion of the difference in comfort between your present seat and the standard seat?

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Discussion in ' Hard. Core. (1090/1190/1290) ' started by MJG333 , Aug 30, 2017 .

MJG333

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Anyone have this installed what was the cost parts ( software I imagine) labor and how you like the features of it thanks!

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I think most who have the 1290 SAR have this installed. All software. Price is above $500 but that is sometimes negotiable. My dealer gave me $500 in store credit which I used for the travel pack. I think the travel pack is great mostly for the quick shifter which comes in handy off road but is useful in any situation. The KTM My Ride is almost useless in it's current form but may get better with updates. The hill hold is OK but not crucial. I haven't noticed the MSR (motor slip regulation) but I guess it is working and may be making my off pavement riding smoother. Who knows. I think you can add individual features of the travel pack too.

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Yes, you can get all the individual parts. But the QS and MSR together are about the same price as the full travel pack. MSR: 60400970000 $129.99 MyRide: 61600930000 $89.99 QS+: 61600940000 $345.99 HHC: 60400950000 $174.99 Full Travel Pack: 60700900000 $524.99 All software, labor should be no more than .5 hours. All they do is hook it up and unlock the features. Takes all of 10 min if they know how to take the seat off.
I notice MSR blip the throttle quite often, assume it's working. MyRide as stated does near as makes no difference nothing... yet. QS+ For sure. Just have to know when to use it. Up works best when on the throttle, down when not. rtfm HHC works, have used it on and off road. Will disengage if you shift into Neutral or after 5 seconds. Also it won't engage if you're light on the brake.

Jason4

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I turned HHC off after 2 days of riding, it's poorly implemented. The travel pack was worth it to me for the QS+ and MSR, I don't have a BT headset to pair with MyRide yet but maybe that'll be worth it too. Just the cost of QS+ and MSR a la carte were higher than the total package cost.
Jason4 said: ↑ I turned HHC off after 2 days of riding, it's poorly implemented. Click to expand...
Deviant said: ↑ How so? So far it's worked as advertised for me. Click to expand...

ArferBrick

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Surely it releases the moment you move forward doesn't it? Surely it doesn't just jam the brakes on permanently for 5 second regardless?
Jason4 said: ↑ As far as I can tell the KTM feature is very simply based on two conditions: time and grade. When the grade exceeds a threshold the HHC function is activated and the brakes release after 5 seconds. The brake pressure that is maintained during that delay time seems to be the same as what is applied at the lever so if you (or I) squeeze the lever hard then we have to wait 5 seconds for it to be release. I suspect that it works much better when the lever is only lightly squeezed just enough to hold the hill but light enough that the engine can overpower the brake. I got along with it well enough until I had to stop on the hill in front of my house to wait for traffic to clear before turning into my driveway. My hill is steeper than the average grade around here and I wasn't patient enough to wait 5 seconds for the brake to release so I just turned HHC off. I'm happy holding my position with the rear brake while I let the clutch out. I have a similar function in my car but it seems to be based on engine speed as well and possibly reduces the brake pressure in a controlled manner such that as the engine speed is increased and the clutch is released it will smoothly release the car. Further, the car version can be modified with a parameter via a service tool to change how intrusive it is. I'd be pretty happy with the KTM version if it started to reduce brake force immediately and slewed it out over 2 or 3 seconds instead of holding it steady for the full 5 seconds and then just releasing the brake. I get a little hung upon this stuff, I have a professional interest in vehicle controls. Don't get me started on the cruise control strategy. Click to expand...
It wasn't working that well for me on a fairly steep road but I had grabbed the brake hard enough that it wouldn't let me roll forward without a lot of throttle. In that event it was actually preventing me from moving. I'll turn it back on to play with it some more.
Check the SAR thread, there was another guy complaining of a similar issue, dealer sorted for him.

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Jason4 said: ↑ It wasn't working that well for me on a fairly steep road but I had grabbed the brake hard enough that it wouldn't let me roll forward without a lot of throttle. In that event it was actually preventing me from moving. I'll turn it back on to play with it some more. Click to expand...
CacklingCrow said: ↑ I've had an experience when it seemed to stick a bit longer than it was supposed too, it held on just long enough to upset my balance slightly when I took off, but it's only been once. Other than that it's worked just like @Deviant described. I thought I'd be like you and turn it off most of the time, but it's actually been pretty unobtrusive so I've just ended up leaving it on. Click to expand...
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By RogersW , March 12, 2018 in KTM

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I purchased my new left over 2017 1290 Super Adventure R on February 3rd from a local dealer. The Salesman showed me the 2017 Power Parts manual at time of purchase, I bought the optional travel pack which was listed in the Powerparts manual. This option comes with Hill Hold Assist, Quick shift, Motor Slip regulation, and KTM my Ride. When we were finishing the paperwork, the service department took the bike and tried to install the features for me. About an hour after sale my bike is still in the back. I was then told they couldn't get the features installed because KTM's website showed my features as already installed, when in reality they actually weren't.

How this works is, the KTM dealer puts in a purchase for the features on the KTM website. At that time a code is generated and that code is entered in the XC1 scan tool. This "unlocks the features purchased"

Now I'm told they are contacting the KTM NorCal regional manager and I just need to hold tight. About two weeks go by and I hear nothing, so I decided to go in and see whats up. Found out they forgot about it and re-emailed the manager. 3rd week nothing, 4th week still nothing. I get tired of waiting and decided to call KTM customer support on my own. They basically kicked my dealer in the butt and told them to call KTM technical support. Now my dealer had issues even communicating with tech support, they would call leave a message and they'd hear nothing in return. I call customer service again and basically get told "WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME" so I yelled back at her saying "TO GET WHAT I F***ING PAYED FOR!" At that exact moment my KTM dealer called me and I hug up with her. They had been given new codes for my Travel Pack. Went in the next day, they installed the features in 5 minutes! When they gave the bike back I noticed KTM my ride was not on my list.... Everything else is there expect for KTM my Ride. They tell me they'll call technical support again, and I already know nothing will get done if I don't do some research.

What I've discovered over the weekend is. My motorcycle has firmware version 033.33 in the digital display, the most current up to date firmware is 133.30. In the new updated firmware KTM had made KTM my ride standard on all models. This is why my Travel pack did not display My Ride.

The problem I'm running into now is finding a technician that knows how to install the firmware. The dealer I purchased the bike from would do it for free but they have no idea what I'm talking about. The firmware requires the KTM XC1 scan tool that's fully updated and a special Orange KTM USB cable that connects to the motorcycle's USB plug in the storage compartment. The other end of the orange cable connects into a laptop, this is where the firmware comes from. The XC1 initiates the process. KTM offers no training on this process, all dealers are left in the dark until a customer comes in asking for the updated firmware.

I was able to find one dealer near me that did it once and is a very intelligent guy, I trust him with this process. The only issue is payment. Who is going to pay this guy? I'm not because I already purchased the KTM my ride with the travel pack. I called customer support again and the same lady running my case took my call. I told her the situation and she told me "I don't care what the power parts catalog says, KTM my ride is not apart of the travel pack." I told her isn't that false advertising and against the law? She responded with "If you want KTM my Ride you'll need to pay for the 133.30 update." I was furious and told her I need to speak to a manager. She wouldn't transfer me! She kept telling me in a rude tone they can't do anything and I would need to pay for it. I called her a F***ing B**** and hug up. Called back trying to get a manager and they no longer are picking the phone up for my number.

Way to go KTM!!! I will never ever buy another KTM product. I'm beyond pissed off that it's gone this far.

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I purchased my new left over 2017 1290 Super Adventure R on February 3rd from a local dealer. The Salesman showed me the 2017 Power Parts manual at time of purchase, I bought the optional travel pack which was listed in the Powerparts manual. This option comes with Hill Hold Assist, Quick shift, Motor Slip regulation, and KTM my Ride. When we were finishing the paperwork, the service department took the bike and tried to install the features for me. About an hour after sale my bike is still in the back. I was then told they couldn't get the features installed because KTM's website showed my features as already installed, when in reality they actually weren't. How this works is, the KTM dealer puts in a purchase for the features on the KTM website. At that time a code is generated and that code is entered in the XC1 scan tool. This "unlocks the features purchased" Now I'm told they are contacting the KTM NorCal regional manager and I just need to hold tight. About two weeks go by and I hear nothing, so I decided to go in and see whats up. Found out they forgot about it and re-emailed the manager. 3rd week nothing, 4th week still nothing. I get tired of waiting and decided to call KTM customer support on my own. They basically kicked my dealer in the butt and told them to call KTM technical support. Now my dealer had issues even communicating with tech support, they would call leave a message and they'd hear nothing in return. I call customer service again and basically get told "WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME" so I yelled back at her saying "TO GET WHAT I F***ING PAYED FOR!" At that exact moment my KTM dealer called me and I hug up with her. They had been given new codes for my Travel Pack. Went in the next day, they installed the features in 5 minutes! When they gave the bike back I noticed KTM my ride was not on my list.... Everything else is there expect for KTM my Ride. They tell me they'll call technical support again, and I already know nothing will get done if I don't do some research. What I've discovered over the weekend is. My motorcycle has firmware version 033.33 in the digital display, the most current up to date firmware is 133.30. In the new updated firmware KTM had made KTM my ride standard on all models. This is why my Travel pack did not display My Ride. The problem I'm running into now is finding a technician that knows how to install the firmware. The dealer I purchased the bike from would do it for free but they have no idea what I'm talking about. The firmware requires the KTM XC1 scan tool that's fully updated and a special Orange KTM USB cable that connects to the motorcycle's USB plug in the storage compartment. The other end of the orange cable connects into a laptop, this is where the firmware comes from. The XC1 initiates the process. KTM offers no training on this process, all dealers are left in the dark until a customer comes in asking for the updated firmware. I was able to find one dealer near me that did it once and is a very intelligent guy, I trust him with this process. The only issue is payment. Who is going to pay this guy? I'm not because I already purchased the KTM my ride with the travel pack. I called customer support again and the same lady running my case took my call. I told her the situation and she told me "I don't care what the power parts catalog says, KTM my ride is not apart of the travel pack." I told her isn't that false advertising and against the law? She responded with "If you want KTM my Ride you'll need to pay for the 133.30 update." I was furious and told her I need to speak to a manager. She wouldn't transfer me! She kept telling me in a rude tone they can't do anything and I would need to pay for it. I called her a F***ing B**** and hug up. Called back trying to get a manager and they no longer are picking the phone up for my number. Way to go KTM!!! I will never ever buy another KTM product. I'm beyond pissed off that it's gone this far.

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9 hours ago, PeterKaa said:   Sorry about your troubles, must be frustrating! Not sure if you’re ranting or if you want some feedback, but... 1. Why are you doing your dealers work? You payed for the upgrade at their register, if they can’t deliver the agreed goods, get a refund, or an extra set of tires or a new pair of gloves. Would not take any deal that requires them to wrench on the bike, like first service, since they are clearly incompetent. 2. Do you have your bike? If yes, go ride you are spoiled with roads, trails and weather :-) 3. Do not call customer service employees a f’ing something - it is unlikely to get you any kind of service, as you may have noticed. These people work with you to help you within the frames set by their manager and the product training they have. If they cannot help you, 9/10 it is a management problem. I too get very frustrated with customer service persons in general, if they don’t know what they are talking about - but it has never helped to let that frustration out on that person. 4. What is “ KTM my ride”? 5. I would think all authorised service in the warranty period, would include making sure that you have the latest firmware on your bike. But this is speculation on my part.  

I’m never like this on the phone, I’m always polite and courteous to anyone really. Almost too polite... This has been the first time I’ve ever been talked to like this and the only time I’ve lost it. She gave me no options, just sucks for you. You’re a idiot for buying our product. Good luck getting something you payed for. That was her none sympathetic attitude I had to deal with. In the beginning she was helpful, called my service team and told them to get into contact with KTM technical support. Which is a no brainer!

The dealership sales manager is one of those guys that’s overly happy and promises the world. He’s always telling me they’re working on it. The service manager acts like my existence is inconveniencing him. He’s managing a bunch of kids that are his mechanics. I don’t want anything for free, I just want what I payed for. I’m not asking for a handout. 

The sourse of this problem was the power parts catalog from 2017. KTM my ride was included, now it’s not in 2018. It’s now free with the software update 133.30 if you had KTM my Ride prior to the patch release. 

I posted this mainly to vent, it’s such a small deal that doesn’t really affect anything on the bike. I just want what I payed for. This motorcycle has been a huge waiting game that has been stressing me out. I envested over $5000 from day one in accessories, I just want it right the first time.

I have one idea that I’ll try next with the dealer that actually knows how to do the update. With firmware 133.30 they fixed little bugs in the bikes electronics like the day time running light sensitivity. When you go under a tree or under a overpass the headlights will turn on and off way too often. It’s much to sensitive. If I bring the bike in for this issue specifically they’ll have to do the update under warranty, and when the update is installed it’ll automatically give me KTM my ride because it’s now standard on all bikes.

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Sorry for your problems......There has got to be a way to shame KTM into correcting this or getting them to deal with due to law.  Start with your State's Consumer agency..here in WI, it's called Dept of Agriculture, Trade & Consumer Protection. Might be surprised what they can do.  You file a complaint, they will advise you and if warranted contact business directly, especially if violating a consumer law...e.g. false advertising, yatta yatta.  There's probably a MC industry council/trade org that you can lodge a complaint with too.  I do recall that they have changed what My KTM does and maybe why they've made it an add-on going forward...but they need to keep their previous agreements.  Might be you have to settle for old version of and new is not available at no cost?  Don't know but neither do you until pursued.

Ah, the good old days when you had a kick-starter, speedo and tach...period.

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Ok guys finally got my KTM My Ride and firmware version 133.30! It only took 2 months! I went to a different dealer (NorthBay Motorsport in Santa Rosa, CA) thank you guys! It did take a week of back and forth communication between KTM technical support and my Dealer, but they figured it out and return the bike just how I wanted it. It was covered under warranty and I didn't pay anything, but sadly the technician only got paid .50 for time from KTM. First day he tried the update it, but it locked up the digital display and they had to wait for a specialist to remote desktop into my bike. They were able to unlock the screen but when the specialist tried to ping my bike they wouldn't get anything. The decision was made to replace the Digital speedometer. Apparently the new display came with the new firmware version and it was just plug and play for the dealership tech. Very happy now!

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Glad to hear it's resolved but kind of sucks how long it took and how it was handled.  I met a guy from Sacramento at Taste of Dakar who has a 1290 and he says he's had multiple issues with modes disappearing and being told "oh that's normal."  Seems like they still have a few bugs to work out.

21 hours ago, Eric Hall said: Glad to hear it's resolved but kind of sucks how long it took and how it was handled.  I met a guy from Sacramento at Taste of Dakar who has a 1290 and he says he's had multiple issues with modes disappearing and being told "oh that's normal."  Seems like they still have a few bugs to work out.

If you know how to contact that guy, let him know that the new firmware version 133.30 fixes this problem. The real problem is, dealers aren't educated on the update process.

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16 minutes ago, Onelugnut said: It looks like I am about to live this nightmare. I told the dealer at purchase "if it has it I want it turned on" After some time waiting, I told them at the first service we will work on it.  Dropped it yesterday around noon and waiting on a call  Is there any way to find out what the latest software update is? Lug  

The way you find out what digital display firmware version you have is.

Press the SET button when menu is closed

Press the UP or Down button until Preferences is marked. Press the SET button to open the menu.

Press the UP or Down button until Service is marked. Press the SET button to open the menu.

You'll see the next service in this menu and also the display firmware version. The most up to date firmware version is 133.30. The older version is 033.33.

Looks lime the 18 has the my ride unlocked for free. I opted opted out of the other items for $600. 

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KTM costumer service is the worst that ever you can get!!!!!

I have so many problems with them, after 3 months of many claims  no answer at all!!!

never again 

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A nearby KTM dealer installed the Travel Pack software upgrade on my 2017 KTM 1290 SAR on Wednesday, April 21. The install took about 1 hour and 45 minutes to complete which was better than the 3 hours they were warning me about. This was the second trip to the dealer located 45 miles away for this procedure. Turns out they were missing an orange cable to link between a laptop and the bike on the first visit even though they were notified at least a week in advance. The Travel Pack includes three features: quick shifter, hill hold, and motor slip regulation. The first two features have been tried and seem to work as advertised. The motor slip regulation seems to be such a subtle control I am not sure anyone could tell if it works or not. I did experience one throttle held open quick shift between fifth and sixth that missed and the bike lurched then fell into gear with a crunch. Hope no gear teeth were damaged. Otherwise it worked at least a half dozen other times flawlessly. Will probable only use it when needing to make passes on cars in a big hurry or to blow away Harleys. The dealer was also supposed initiate the "KTM My Ride" application but failed. That was their second attempt. Will be traveling another 45 miles again to the dealer when they talk it over with KTM some more on getting it going.  

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My wife and I have traveled independently to many European countries and, after reading many of the comments in this forum, feel like we may be able to do so in Moscow and St. Petersburg as well, although we feel somewhat less comfortable than the other countries where we have traveled in Europe.

My biggest question is how much we will miss by visiting the main sites without a tour guide. In the other European countries we have visited on our own we have been comfortable and satisfied with the level of knowledge we have gained by studying and visiting on our own, although we believe a tour guide or tour company in any country would normally be able to provide greater insight than visiting a site on our own, but about in Moscow and St. Petersburg?

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Unless you speak at least some Russian and read the alphabet it would be difficult without a guide. Very few signs in English especially in Moscow. Also not too many people speak English there.

I visited St Petersburg last Autumn for a protracted period , and did not find it anymore daunting than any other European city . As Ilja says , learning the Cyrillic alphabet is a big plus . I also found that it was fairly easy to grasp . It will , among other things , enable you to read signs with relative ease . I would answer the main part or your question ( about tour guides ) thus - I am not enamored of tour guides or tours. While I only use a tour under duress ( A sites rules prohibiting an independent visit - ie Glasgow School of Art , Municipal House in Prague , etc ) . Doing your own preparation and homework is the best way , in my opinion . My wife and I ventured through St Petersburg with nary a concern ,and made two day trips outside of the central district ( one was twenty five miles away , and no English speakers in sight ) Figuring out the logistical details , did not present any difficulties . While I never use tours , I am an inveterate eavesdropper , have done so many times , and find , that on balance , the information that they impart is fairly elementary . If you want greater detail , they are unlikely to supply it . I also prefer to go at my own pace , not being rushed and being able to dwell on things that most other visitors barely give a passing glance . If you are interested , let me know . I would be happy to provide you with information that will enable you to travel independently

Thank you, Steven. I am encouraged by your comments and feel the same way you do about tour groups. We are very much willing to prepare in advance and learn the basics of the Cyrillic alphabet to help us have a better experience.

I would be very interested in learning more about your experience in Russia and receiving any additional information you can provide on independent travel there, starting perhaps with obtaining the visa.

I am not opposed to hiring a private or small group guide for a specific site or for a day trip outside St Petersburg and Moscow, but, like you said, I much prefer the freedom of staying at places as long or short as I want and seeing the sites that interest me most. For example, neither my wife nor I are big into shopping, yet most tour itineraries leave afternoon time for just that. Not interested!

Please provide whatever you may feel would be helpful for us.

Russ , I see you are quite near San Francisco - you can start by looking at the VISA procedure , it's fairly straightforward . Since there is a consulate in San Francisco - look here http://www.consulrussia.org/eng/visa-sub1.html

And here - http://ils-usa.com/main.php

Having always traveled independently, we thought we could do a better job than any tour. How misguided (pun intended) we were. Now that we have had the experience of having someone native to the area walk us around and explain things through a personal perspective we realize how much we missed. For St. Petersburg I highly recommend http://www.peterswalk.com/tours.html . This is not a traditional guided tour, but an opportunity to receive some orientation to the area as well as insight into the "Russian soul". I think if you did this upon arrival the rest of your time would be much more meaningful. We really liked the http://www.pushka-inn.com . The location is superb (just around the corner from the Hermitage square), the rooms lovely, the included breakfast at the restaurant next door ample and overall an excellent value. We used this company to get our visa: https://www.passportvisasexpress.com/site/san_francisco_customer_service Note that it costs about the same for a 3-year visa as a one-year, and you never know if you might want to return within that more extended window of time. It is not cheap, so factor that into your planning.

If you like traveling without a guide in other countries and find this satisfying, the same will be true in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Of course it's not either/or - you can certainly take a guided walk or boat tour, for instance.

I cannot emphasize enough the importance of learning Cyrillic if you're going on your own. The book I used was Teach Yourself Beginner's Russian Script, which was great. It breaks down the alphabet into letters that are the same as English, letters that look the same but are pronounced differently, etc. It's out of print, but you can get used copies on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Teach-Yourself-Beginners-Russian-Script/dp/0071419861/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1459701143&sr=8-2&keywords=teach+yourself+russian+script

Russia is indeed a bit more "foreign" than say, Italy. However, in Moscow and St. Petersburg, I found enough English to be able to get by. Many restaurants had English menus and/or English speaking staff, for instance. This was most emphatically not true in Vladimir and Suzdal (two cities in the Golden Ring outside Moscow). I went with my sister, a Russian speaker, and if she hadn't been there, I would have been in big trouble. So, if you want to see places outside these two big cities, use a guided tour (even if just for that part). Also, Moscow and St. Petersburg are huge cities. Coming from New York, I wasn't intimidated, but those not used to a megacity may not be so cavalier (even I found them overwhelming at times, especially Moscow).

I found both Lonely Planet and Rough Guide to be helpful, and both to have various errors. Look at both, buy whichever one has a more recent edition, and then be prepared to have to discard some of the advice therein. Also, these places change more quickly than places in Western Europe. Be very careful of outdated advice. For instance, I was there in 2001 and 2010, so I won't give you any specifics on getting a visa - that changes constantly.

Just as a teaser, two things I saw and loved that I doubt would be included in any escorted tour are the Gorky House in Moscow (an Art Nouveau wonder) and the Sheremyetov Palace in St. Petersburg (it's now a museum of musical instruments, and the decor is amazing, particularly in the Etruscan Room).

Thanks for all the good advice. Any additional thoughts are welcomed.

One of history's seminal works pertaining to Russian history and culture and a MUST for anyone contemplating a visit or simply interested , is this fine work from 1980 - http://www.amazon.com/Land-Firebird-The-Beauty-Russia/dp/096441841X

This is about you and not about Petersburg. Do you like guided tours? We don't and didn't find that a guide added to our experience in China where we did hire private guides mostly for the logistics; it was easy to have someone drive us places. But once at a site, we didn't need the guide. I felt the same way about our 9 nights in Petersburg. We did hire a guide for the trip to the Catherine Palace again for the ease of logistics for us Olds. Here is our visit: https://janettravels.wordpress.com/2016/01/23/an-easy-trip-to-the-catherine-palace/ There are also snapshots of the Church on Spilled Blood in this photo journal. Having someone pick us up at the apartment and get us in without line ups and shepherd us through the palace steering clear of the tour groups was lovely. But we didn't need commentary because we can read and prepare.

You certainly don't need a guide for the Hermitage (we spent 4 days there), the Russian Museum, the Kazan Cathedral or Church on Spilled Blood or the Faberge Museum. We enjoyed a number of self guided walking tours including a couple from Rick Steves guidebooks. We took the canal cruise suggested by RS that had an English commentator. I would not take one without that as you will be totally clueless. The commentator was not all that good but at least we had some idea what we were seeing. So for people like us who like to do our own thing and can read a guidebook and don't particularly like to be led about, a tour is not needed. If you enjoy tour groups, then go for it. Petersburg is easy to negotiate. It helps if you can read the cyrillic alphabet and it is also useful to have the google translate ap on your phone. We found ourselves translating packages in grocery stores with it and the occasional museum sign or menu. I have one food I need to avoid and so it was handy to have the translator to talk with waiters (I could either show them the sentence, or play it for them or play it to myself and then repeat it to the waiter -- that all worked well)

Dear Russ, I cannot help you with Moscow, but about four years ago, my husband and I went to St Petersburg on our own. But, we did use a private guide for 4 half days. We both feel that our guide absolutely made our trip (we stayed 6 or 7 nights). We used a company owned by Tatyana Chiurikova, www.tour-stpetersburg.com I cannot say enough good things about her and our experience. I emailed her and we worked out a schedule/ sights that was tailored to our interests. She also offered some recommendations, which we took. The guide will meet you at your hotel. And frequently, at certain places, with the guide, we were able to skip the long entrance lines. We had an half day driving tour of the city (car, driver, & guide). You are taken to & go in places such as Peter & Paul Fortress, some of the cathedrals, etc. We had a half day with the guide at the Hermitage which ensured that we would see the major sights there. And, of course, you can stay after your guide leaves or return another day. Also, we had the guide for Peterhof (a must & go by boat) and Catherine's Palace. I hope that you will go to the website. As I said, our guide made our trip. I am positive that we would have missed quite a bit on our own everyday. And I'm sure we would have wasted a lot of time trying to get to various place.This was the best of both worlds, a guide where needed and plenty of time on our own. Whatever you do, I'm sure that you will love St Petersburg! Ashley

I am curious about the lines as we encountered no lines on our trip -- but it was in September. We got tickets for the Hermitage at machines and skipped those lines and our guide for the Catherine Palace which was our only guided experience (as noted before, chosen for the logistics of getting there) had arranged tickets and we didn't have a line, but then we also didn't see lines. We did not find lines at any other site.

Both Moscow and St Petersburg I've done on my own, that is together with the Dear Partner. I can't remember any problem getting where we wanted to go. The Metro systems are well signed, and with a little exercise and patience you can recognize the station names. With a good map and a good guide - we had the Rough Guides - that part of the logistics is solved. The language is a major problem, but the usual tricks of pointing, looking helpless, and making a joke of it all do wonders. I would hate to be led by a guide, but for others it is a comfortable thought.

We also did both cities on our own. I found the DK Eyewitness guide for Moscow has the best map. I used the one from our library (kept the book at home). Took the smaller RS book for St. Petersburg ( his book on northern cities). His map and restaurant ideas were all good. We also downloaded the Google maps in our Android Samsung tablets/phones for both cities and then could get directions to any place we typed in. The blue ball guided us everywhere. I'm sure we missed somethings by not having a guide, but we just enjoy walking around and getting a sense of a place. If you like art, The Hermitage is great. We went 3 times and still missed alot. In St. Peterburg we stayed at the 3 Mosta which we loved (quite and not far from the Church of Spilled Blood.) We also loved the Georgian food in both cities. There's a great Georgian restaurant near the 3 Mosta hotel. We're now in Belarus- very scenic. Enjoy your trip!!

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