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Join believe in the run for the asics summer hydration tour.

Meghann of Featherstone Nutrition and Meaghan of Believe in the Run have partnered with ASICS on a Summer Hydration Tour ! They’ll be hitting up warm cities throughout the months of July and August — hosting group runs and educating runners on the importance of hydration.

See event list below. Runners will have the chance to demo the new Asics Gel-Kayano 30 and take home a custom water bottle and apparel! They will also be handing out Skratch Labs hydration products along with raffling off a number of Hydration Biosensors.

Summer Hydration Tour Stops

Stop #1: austin, texas.

Join us for an easy 3-7 miles, any pace is welcome and encouraged.

Fleet Feet Austin 211 Walter Seaholm Dr Austin, TX 78701

Stop #2: Miami, Florida

iRun Miami 5050 Biscayne Blvd STE 103 Miami, FL  33137

Stop #3: Baltimore, Maryland

Join us for an easy 3 miles, any pace is welcome and encouraged.

Believe in the Run HQ 1805 Eastern Ave Baltimore, MD 21231

*The first 150 to arrive will also receive a Ciele hat

Stop #4: Oklahoma City

Join us for some very fun, very sweaty miles!

Red Coyote 5720 N Classen Blvd Oklahoma City, OK 73118

Stop #5: Nashville, Tennessee

Fleet Feet Nashville 330 Franklin Rd STE 262B Brentwood,TN37027

Stop #6: Atlanta, Georgia

Big Peach Running Co 705 Town Boulevard STE Q340 Brookhaven, GA 30319

Stop #7: Boston, Massachusetts

Marathon Sports 671 Boylston St Boston, MA 02116

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Last week I traveled to Baltimore for the Believe in the Run Summer GRIT party. GRIT is a bi-annual distance project that “challenges runners to complete a mileage goal that goes beyond their typical comfort zone” for a month. But it would be a mistake to classify GRIT as just a month-long running event. GRIT plants the seeds to develop lifelong relationships among its members based on a shared passion for running, while empowering its running community to prosper.

As an introvert who gets anxious in new social situations, I tend to stick to the familiar. I’ve never been a part of a running community, so I was extremely nervous to show up alone and talk with a bunch of strangers and runners I admire whom I’ve only seen or heard on YouTube or podcasts.

But all my worries vanished as soon as I arrived at the Believe in the Run headquarters. I immediately chatted up another runner who also showed up solo. We quickly got to talking about my sub-3-hour training for the Marine Corps Marathon and his for Chicago — his first in seven years — my disdain for all-white shoes , and how olive green is the most underrated running shoe color.

Sharing miles and beers

After conversing at the headquarters and taking an epic group photo, we ventured out on quite the impressive group run along the picturesque Baltimore waterfront, concluding the three miles at Mobtown Brewing Company. Any run that ends at a brewery is exceptional, but this run was truly something special. Trotting alongside hundreds of enthusiastic runners, including icons like Kofuzi, Meghann Featherstun, and the Believe in the Run crew, along with the gorgeous harborside views, made this run truly unforgettable.

Of course, a running community is only as good as its people. I had the pleasure of meeting so many friendly faces, including the BITR team, ASICS crew, and Kofuzi — all were gracious with their time and conversation. A shoutout to ASICS’ Paul Lang for letting me nerd out on all-things running shoes, including my love of the ASICS Gel-Nimbus 25 — my current choice for daily trainer of the year.

The conversations were effortless, engaging, and authentic, and I’ve never wanted to talk to so many strangers in my life! Oh, the tasty liquid courage from Mobtown certainly helped. I alternated between the Witbier and the Ay, Caramba Mexican lager as I scarfed down pizza — all of which was so generously provided gratis by ASICS and Believe in the Run, a fruitful partnership that advances its commitment to runners with opportunities like this one.

Theirs wasn’t the only budding relationship on display. I continue to enjoy seeing Kofuzi and Believe in the Run collab on exciting running adventures. The dedication to their craft and the mutual respect and admiration for each other shines through in their work.

ASICS had the new Gel-Kayano 30 on hand for runners to demo and there were custom tees and tanks for us to take home. Runners also received hydration products along with Nix Biosensors, as part of the BITR, Featherstone Nutrition, ASICS, and Skratch Labs Summer Hydration Tour. Did I mention the free Ciele hat? I’ve always wanted to try one and was not disappointed. At the end of the night, a shuttle took us back to the BITR headquarters. I may have ended the night right where I started it, but I clearly was not the same person: my experiences that day gave me a new perspective on a running community.

GRIT brings us together

As I engaged with people that night, I realized something: I’ve been a part of Believe in the Run’s running community all along. I just didn’t know it.

My interaction with BITR’s social media channels, YouTube channel, The Drop newsletter, and written shoe reviews. My participation in GRIT events where every runner’s accumulation of miles, elevation, and time spent running are on full display for us to cheer each other on through the BITR Strava or Facebook group. Wearing BITR apparel to illustrate my fandom. Feeling like I’m in the same room as Thomas, Meaghan, and Robbe as they delightfully ramble on about anything and everything non-running related during The Drop podcast. GRIT was simply my opportunity to introduce myself to the community in-person and make new friends.

Believe in the Run started Summer GRIT during the height of COVID in summer 2020, proving that a running community is not confined to a location. A strong running community is comprised of a supportive culture, an inclusive way to undertake running, and some pretty awesome people.

An impactful running community brings together runners near and far, and that was evident in the range of people in attendance. From the special appearance of Kayano-San, the creator of the legendary ASICS Gel-Kayano, who traveled from Japan to attend, to the two runners I met from my childhood hometown! Despite graduating from the same small high school and even growing up on the same street as one of them, we had never formally met. It was BITR’s Summer GRIT party that brought us together.

Believe in the Run…and yourself

Merriam Webster defines grit as, “Having the firmness of mind or spirit or unyielding courage in the face of hardship or danger.” Of course, I didn’t need to sign up for Summer GRIT to prove I have grit. While not facing any particular hardship or failure, I had found the courage to start this website and share myself and my writing — my innermost thoughts, ideas (hot takes included), and life experiences with family, friends, and the running world, despite intense fears, doubts, much second-guessing, and a bad case of imposter syndrome.

Truthfully, I almost didn’t make the trip to Baltimore. I didn’t have anyone willing to travel three-plus hours to attend an event on a weekday. I was in the same conundrum last year and my social anxiety of “networking” events and fear of the unknown kept me from attending. Instead, I suffered intense FOMO watching Kofuzi’s stellar “ Runner’s Weekend ” video recap of all the excitement I missed at the event. I must have watched that video three times. Then again, I watch all Kofuzi’s videos multiple times.

But I learned that I have to be willing, as BITR says, “to go beyond the typical comfort zone.” And I discovered that GRIT not only pushes us beyond our typical running comfort zone, but also our social comfort zone.

Fortunately, after the summer GRIT party, I didn’t have to wait too long to reconnect with the community. The next morning, the newest episode of The Drop podcast was waiting for me on Spotify. I pressed play and Thomas, Meaghan, and Robbe kept me company on my drive back to Richmond. After the episode ended, I had my memories from a fun-filled night to transport me back home. And, more importantly, no matter where I am in the world, I now know that Believe in the Run’s running community transcends all boundaries and obstacles, including the ones we arbitrarily place in front of ourselves.

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What a wonderful account of a true growth experience. We all need to put ourselves out there, to be uncomfortable at times, to evolve and experience all that life can offer us.

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A running podcast from Believe in the Run, The Drop is brought to you by hosts Thomas Neuberger, Robbe Reddinger, and Meaghan Murray. But this isn't your typical running podcast– we'll talk about running (of course), but also discuss a wide range of topics, from pop culture to pigeons (not real) to picking up trash here in Baltimore. We also interview elite athletes, industry insiders, musicians, coaches, and more. Follow along as we also discuss our own running highs and lows, as well as our favorite shoes and gear.

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• APR 22, 2024

252 | Dr. Annie Neurohr, Physical Therapist

Our favorite PT is back for round two! In this episode, we cover a bunch of the PT questions you had last time but we didn't get to answer, as well as some new ones, including Achilles injuries, plantar fasciitis, strengthening the pelvic floor, and more. Dr. Annie Neurohr is a lifelong runner and physical therapist at Sinai Running Rehabilitation Program here in Baltimore.Follow Dr. Neurohr on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pace_doctor/

• 1 hr 12 min
• APR 19, 2024

251 | The Boston Marathon Recap

We almost split this into two podcasts, but instead, you get the whole rundown in one shot (for better or for worse). We went up to Boston, we had an absolute blast with our New Balance group run and meet and greet on Friday, and Saturday our mind-blowing Asics run and cap giveaway on Sunday, and of course– the crown jewel of running, the 128th Boston Marathon, thanks to Adidas. There were moments of pure joy and others of slight regret. It all came together for an unforgettable weekend that we'd do a hundred times over if we could. Thank you to everyone showed up and said hello during the race, and who made this weekend a true success. You are the reason we do this and can keep doing this, and you're more of an inspiration than you know. SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS! Lagoon PillowsGet the best night of sleep with Lagoon Pillows. We do. You can save 15% off your first order with code BELIEVE. ➡ lagoonsleep.com/believe Salomon Golden Trail SeriesLearn more about the Golden Trail Series powered by Salomon and register for Broken Arrow so you can hang out with us ➡ https://www.goldentrailseries.com/ LMNTOur listeners can get a free LMNT sample pack with the purchase of any order. Pick it up here ➡ ⁠http://drinklmnt.com/thedrop⁠ Saysky RunningCheck out the all-new Flow Collection and save on your next order by using code DROP15 at checkout ➡ https://saysky.com/

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• APR 15, 2024

250 | Jean Pourrat, Sports Manager for Veja

Few brands truly embrace the idea of sustainability, but Veja practices what they preach from beginning to end. Jean Pourrat is the sports manager for the French brand and worked on the development of the all-new Condor 3. We go into all the details of Veja, their mission, and how they made a shoe that seamlessly blends performance and style.Check out Veja Running: https://www.veja-store.com/en_us/running-shoes Follow Jean Pourrat on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jean_pourrat/

• APR 12, 2024

249 | Cherry Blossom 10 Mile Recap, Hoka Skyward X, Jarrett is Back w/ More Costco Drip

The people wanted more Costco content via Wide Foot Jarrett and they're getting it in this episode of The Drop. So grab a dollar dog and settle in for a wild ride as we recap the Cherry Blossom 10 Mile race, give our first thoughts on the Hoka Skyward X, get hyped for Boston, and go completely sideways with everything else. SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS!Lagoon PillowsGet a free travel bag and free shipping when you use the code DROP ➡ https://lagoonsleep.com/Salomon Golden Trail SeriesLearn more about the Golden Trail Series powered by Salomon and register for Broken Arrow so you can hang out with us ➡ https://www.goldentrailseries.com/LMNTOur listeners can get a free LMNT sample pack with the purchase of any order. Pick it up here ➡ ⁠http://drinklmnt.com/thedrop⁠Saysky RunningCheck out the all-new Flow Collection and save on your next order by using code DROP15 at checkout ➡ https://saysky.com/

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• APR 8, 2024

248 | Lindsay Flanagan, ASICS Athlete

One of our first podcast guests ever is back on The Drop after almost four years away. Lindsay is an Asics pro athlete and elite women's marathoner who recently finished 8th at the U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials. We get an inside look at her training, running high mileage, and what it's like living in Australia. Side note: she's also very good at trivia.

• APR 5, 2024

247 | On Cloudmonster Hyper, Easter Eggin', Panic Attacks, Cider Talk

It's taper time for Boston and the gang is barely holding on. Illness, dislocated shoulders, and panic attacks- we can barely fit it all in. Special guest Jarrett joins us this week to talk about his apple cider basicness and getting shamed by Patient First doctors, Thomas needs to the hype of Chipotle to come back, and Meg tries her best to keep Dune out of the conversation. We also have special guest check-ins thanks to our friend Lin who stopped by HQ. Last but not least, we talk about the On Cloudmonster Hyper. SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS! Lagoon Pillows Get a free travel bag and free shipping when you use the code DROP ➡ https://lagoonsleep.com/ Salomon Golden Trail Series Learn more about the Golden Trail Series powered by Salomon and register for Broken Arrow so you can hang out with us ➡ https://www.goldentrailseries.com/ LMNT Our listeners can get a free LMNT sample pack with the purchase of any order. Pick it up here ➡ ⁠http://drinklmnt.com/thedrop⁠ Saysky Running Check out the all-new Flow Collection and save on your next order by using code DROP15 at checkout ➡ https://saysky.com/ JOIN US IN BOSTON! RSVP for the New Balance Events: https://bit.ly/RSVP-BOSTON-2024-NEW-BALANCE RSVP for the Asics Shakeout Run: https://bit.ly/RSVP-BOSTON-SHAKEOUT INDEX 00:00 Intro 11:30 Robbe's running 19:27 Panic attacks 27:23 Thomas training 43:48 Meg's training 45:50 Cider and stuff 50:33 The Future 53:11 Jarrett gets shamed 1:03:15 Boston Events 1:09:11 Counting marathons 1:15:08 On Cloudmonster Hyper 1:15:20 But first, Chipotle 1:22:18 On Cloudmonster Hyper Cont.

• 1 hr 34 min

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BITR is the best podcast for all things running. Shoe and gear reviews, news on upcoming race events, race recaps, and a lot of humor. Great dynamic between the hosts Thomas, Meg and Robbe. Love the check ins! Really enjoyed the guest check in this past week from Firm Believer, Lin!

Is Thomas really Bill Simmons?

This show definitely scratches the itch of just talking running. I like it for long runs on the treadmill or multitasking. Thomas sounds exactly like Bill Simmons. I automatically picture Bill every time he speaks. 😂😂

A great listen while walking/running

Wonderful podcast to listen to while walking/running. All three host bring their own unique perspective and the review of shoes are super helpful.

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Believe in the Run Announces New Website and Role, Phase Two of its Growth Strategy

March 17, 2023.

Baltimore, MD (March 2023) /ENDURANCE SPORTSWIRE/ – Believe in the Run, a leading online publication focused on running shoe reviews and coverage of run culture, is thrilled to announce the launch of a brand-new website and the promotion of Robbe Reddinger to Senior Editor and lead for unpaid brand partnerships.

Continuing its rapid growth as a leading voice within the run industry, Believe in the Run has implemented the second phase of its growth strategy: a revamped website. The new site, built by Drexler, a Baltimore-based design studio, boasts a fresh and modern look with improved functionality and user experience. It features a streamlined navigation system that makes it easy for readers to find the latest shoe reviews, running news, a shoe finder, brand rankings, anatomy of running shoes, event features, and more.

As part of the website launch, Believe in the Run promoted Robbe Reddinger to Senior Editor. Reddinger has been an integral part of the Believe in the Run team since 2018. He has demonstrated a passion for running and a commitment to providing readers with the most accurate and up-to-date information in an entertaining and digestible format.

In his new role, Reddinger will oversee all editorial content on the site, ensuring that the brand continues to provide the highest quality running news and reviews. Reddinger will also lead non-paid partnerships with brands, directing the review process and ensuring timely content for brands and followers alike.

“The Believe in the Run website has been our brand’s linchpin since we started in 2009. We invested in the new site to strengthen what is working and add features to enhance the user experience while making it easier to showcase our work with our partners. We’re thrilled to have Robbe take on this focused role at Believe in the Run,” said Founder Thomas Neuberger. “We have a talented team of writers and contributors who are passionate about running, and we’re glad Robbe will lead them to take our content to the next level.”

About Believe in the Run

Founded in 2009, Believe in the Run is an independent run culture outlet based in Baltimore, Md. Believe in the Run’s goal has always been to provide honest running shoe and running gear reviews with a culturally relevant and entertaining edge. Its mission is to bring a fresh look to running and provide its followers with sound advice from everyday runners just like them. https://www.believeintherun.com/

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Justin Bieber Headlining Believe Tour Kicks Off In September

While Justin Bieber fans are awaiting the June 19 release of Believe , perhaps they can slake their fever by snatching up some tickets to the singer's upcoming North American tour.

Bieber will hit the road for a headlining tour in support of his fourth album on September 29 with a show in Glendale, Arizona, with fans who purchase tickets to the shows getting a chance to pre-order the disc. The "Believe" outing will hit 45 cities before wrapping up in Miami on January 26, 2013, with protégé Carly Rae Jepsen on board as the opening act for the entire run.

"There's a lot of fun stuff," Bieber [article id="1685500"]promised earlier this week[/article]
 about what fans can expect to see on the tour. "I've been really hard at work in the studio, in the dance studio, just kind of figuring out what I want to do as far as choreography and whatnot. I think the tour's going to be really special. We got a lot of surprises."

The presale for the Fan Club will kick off on May 23, which gives diehards first crack at tickets and some exclusive merchandise. General public tickets will go on sale on June 2 in the U.S. (a day earlier for Canada). VIP packages will also be available, including premium seats, as well as potential meet-and-greet and photo opportunities with Bieber, autographed memorabilia, exclusive VIP merchandise and other perks. Also, $1 from each ticket will be donated to Pencils of Promise , a charity that works to build schools and increase educational opportunities in the developing world, with a goal of building 15 schools around the world for needy children.

While he may be cooking up ways to surprise his fans on the road, Bieber was recently surprised when his video for [article id="1684454"]"Boyfriend"[/article]
 broke a record for the [article id="1684600"]most views in one day[/article]
 on YouTube. "It's crazy," he said. "Hopefully it just keeps getting more views and more views. My fans are amazing. I'm very blessed."

Bieber just released the [article id="1685471"]track list[/article]
 for Believe , confirming that duets with Drake, Nicki Minaj, Big Sean and Ludacris all made the album's final cut. His mentor, Usher, serves as the executive producer for the album.

Justin Bieber "Believe" tour dates:

» 9/29 - Glendale, AZ @ Jobing.com Arena

» 9/30 - Las Vegas, NV @ MGM Grand

» 10/2 - Los Angeles, CA @ STAPLES Center

» 10/3 - Los Angeles, CA @ STAPLES Center

» 10/5 - Fresno, CA @ Save Mart Center

» 10/6 - Oakland, CA @ The Oracle Arena

» 10/8 - Portland, OR @ Rose Garden

» 10/9 - Tacoma, WA @ Tacoma Dome

» 10/12 - Calgary, AB @ Scotiabank Saddledome

» 10/15 - Edmonton, AB @ Rexall Place

» 10/16 - Saskatoon, SK @ Credit Union Centre

» 10/18 - Winnipeg, MB @ MTS Centre

» 10/20 - Minneapolis, MN @ Target Center

» 10/21 - Milwaukee WI @ BMO Harris Bradley Center

» 10/23 - Rosemont, IL @ Allstate Arena

» 10/24 - Rosemont, IL @ Allstate Arena

» 10/26 - Kansas City, MO @ Sprint Center

» 10/27 - St. Louis, MO @ Scottrade Center

» 10/29 - Dallas, TX @ American Airlines Center

» 10/30 - Houston, TX @ Toyota Center

» 11/1 - Memphis, TN @ FedExForum

» 11/2 - Louisville, KY @ KFC Yum! Center

» 11/4 - Philadelphia, PA @ Wells Fargo Center

» 11/5 - Washington D.C. @ Verizon Center

» 11/9 - East Rutherford, NJ @ IZOD Center

» 11/10 - Boston, MA @ TD Garden

» 11/12 - Brooklyn, NY @ Barclays Center

» 11/20 - Pittsburgh, PA @ CONSOL Energy Center

» 11/21 - Auburn Hills, MI @ The Palace of Auburn Hills

» 11/23 - Kanata, ON @ Scotiabank Place

» 11/26 - Montreal, QC @ Bell Centre

» 11/28 - New York, NY @ Madison Square Garden

» 12/1 - Toronto, ON @ Rogers Centre

» 1/5 - Salt Lake City, UT @ EnergySolutions Arena

» 1/7 - Denver, CO @ Pepsi Center

» 1/9 - Tulsa, OK @ BOK Center

» 1/10 - N. Little Rock, AR @ Verizon Arena

» 1/12 - San Antonio, TX @ AT&T Center

» 1/15 - New Orleans, LA @ New Orleans Arena

» 1/16 - Birmingham, AL @ BJCC Arena

» 1/18 - Nashville, TN @ Bridgestone Arena

» 1/19 - Greensboro, NC @ Greensboro Coliseum

» 1/22 - Charlotte, NC @ Time Warner Cable Arena

» 1/23 - Atlanta, GA @ Philips Arena

» 1/25 - Orlando, FL @ Amway Center

» 1/26 - Miami, FL @ American Airlines Arena

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The Evolving Danger of the New Bird Flu

An unusual outbreak of the disease has spread to dairy herds in multiple u.s. states..

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From “The New York Times,” I’m Sabrina Tavernise, and this is “The Daily.”

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The outbreak of bird flu that is tearing through the nation’s poultry farms is the worst in US history. But scientists say it’s now starting to spread into places and species it’s never been before.

Today, my colleague, Emily Anthes, explains.

It’s Monday, April 22.

Emily, welcome back to the show.

Thanks for having me. Happy to be here.

So, Emily, we’ve been talking here on “The Daily” about prices of things and how they’ve gotten so high, mostly in the context of inflation episodes. And one of the items that keeps coming up is eggs. Egg prices were through the roof last year, and we learned it was related to this. Avian flu has been surging in the United States. You’ve been covering this. Tell us what’s happening.

Yes, so I have been covering this virus for the last few years. And the bird flu is absolutely tearing through poultry flocks, and that is affecting egg prices. That’s a concern for everyone, for me and for my family. But when it comes to scientists, egg prices are pretty low on their list of concerns. Because they see this bird flu virus behaving differently than previous versions have. And they’re getting nervous, in particular, about the fact that this virus is reaching places and species where it’s never been before.

OK, so bird flu, though, isn’t new. I mean I remember hearing about cases in Asia in the ‘90s. Remind us how it began.

Bird flu refers to a bunch of different viruses that are adapted to spread best in birds. Wild water birds, in particular, are known for carrying these viruses. And flu viruses are famous for also being shapeshifters. So they’re constantly swapping genes around and evolving into new strains. And as you mentioned back in the ‘90s, a new version of bird flu, a virus known as H5N1, emerged in Asia. And it has been spreading on and off around the world since then, causing periodic outbreaks.

And how are these outbreaks caused?

So wild birds are the reservoir for the virus, which means they carry it in their bodies with them around the world as they fly and travel and migrate. And most of the time, these wild birds, like ducks and geese, don’t even get very sick from this virus. But they shed it. So as they’re traveling over a poultry farm maybe, if they happen to go to the bathroom in a pond that the chickens on the farm are using or eat some of the feed that chickens on the farm are eating, they can leave the virus behind.

And the virus can get into chickens. In some cases, it causes mild illness. It’s what’s known as low pathogenic avian influenza. But sometimes the virus mutates and evolves, and it can become extremely contagious and extremely fatal in poultry.

OK, so the virus comes through wild birds, but gets into farms like this, as you’re describing. How have farms traditionally handled outbreaks, when they do happen?

Well, because this threat isn’t new, there is a pretty well-established playbook for containing outbreaks. It’s sometimes known as stamping out. And brutally, what it means is killing the birds. So the virus is so deadly in this highly pathogenic form that it’s sort of destined to kill all the birds on a farm anyway once it gets in. So the response has traditionally been to proactively depopulate or cull all the birds, so it doesn’t have a chance to spread.

So that’s pretty costly for farmers.

It is. Although the US has a program where it will reimburse farmers for their losses. And the way these reimbursements work is they will reimburse farmers only for the birds that are proactively culled, and not for those who die naturally from the virus. And the thinking behind that is it’s a way to incentivize farmers to report outbreaks early.

So, OK, lots of chickens are killed in a way to manage these outbreaks. So we know how to deal with them. But what about now? Tell me about this new strain.

So this new version of the virus, it emerged in 2020.

After the deadly outbreak of the novel coronavirus, authorities have now confirmed an outbreak of the H5N1 strain of influenza, a kind of bird flu.

And pretty quickly it became clear that a couple things set it apart.

A bald eagle found dead at Carvins Cove has tested positive for the highly contagious bird flu.

This virus, for whatever reason, seemed very good at infecting all sorts of wild birds that we don’t normally associate with bird flu.

[BIRD CRYING]

He was kind of stepping, and then falling over, and using its wing to right itself.

Things like eagles and condors and pelicans.

We just lost a parliament of owls in Minneapolis.

Yeah, a couple of high profile nests.

And also in the past, wild birds have not traditionally gotten very sick from this virus. And this version of the virus not only spread widely through the wild bird population, but it proved to be devastating.

The washing up along the East Coast of the country from Scotland down to Suffolk.

We were hearing about mass die-offs of seabirds in Europe by the hundreds and the thousands.

And the bodies of the dead dot the island wherever you look.

Wow. OK. So then as we know, this strain, like previous ones, makes its way from wild animals to farmed animals, namely to chickens. But it’s even more deadly.

Absolutely. And in fact, it has already caused the worst bird flu outbreak in US history. So more than 90 million birds in the US have died as a result of this virus.

90 million birds.

Yes, and I should be clear that represents two things. So some of those birds are birds who naturally got infected and died from the virus. But the vast majority of them are birds that were proactively culled. What it adds up to is, is 90 million farmed birds in the US have died since this virus emerged. And it’s not just a chicken problem. Another thing that has been weird about this virus is it has jumped into other kinds of farms. It is the first time we’ve seen a bird flu virus jump into US livestock.

And it’s now been reported on a number of dairy farms across eight US states. And that’s just something that’s totally unprecedented.

So it’s showing up at Dairy farms now. You’re saying that bird flu has now spread to cows. How did that happen?

So we don’t know exactly how cows were first infected, but most scientists’ best guess is that maybe an infected wild bird that was migrating shed the virus into some cattle feed or a pasture or a pond, and cattle picked it up. The good news is they don’t seem to get nearly as sick as chickens do. They are generally making full recoveries on their own in a couple of weeks.

OK, so no mass culling of cows?

No, that doesn’t seem to be necessary at this point. But the bad news is that it’s starting to look like we’re seeing this virus spread from cow to cow. We don’t know exactly how that’s happening yet. But anytime you see cow-to-cow or mammal-to-mammal transmission, that’s a big concern.

And why is that exactly?

Well, there are a bunch of reasons. First, it could allow the outbreak to get much bigger, much faster, which might increase the risk to the food supply. And we might also expect it to increase the risk to farm workers, people who might be in contact with these sick cows.

Right now, the likelihood that a farmer who gets this virus passes it on is pretty low. But any time you see mammal-to-mammal transmission, it increases the chance that the virus will adapt and possibly, maybe one day get good at spreading between humans. To be clear, that’s not something that there’s any evidence happening in cows right now. But the fact that there’s any cow-to-cow transmission happening at all is enough to have scientists a bit concerned.

And then if we think more expansively beyond what’s happening on farms, there’s another big danger lurking out there. And that’s what happens when this virus gets into wild animals, vast populations that we can’t control.

We’ll be right back.

So, Emily, you said that another threat was the threat of flu in wild animal populations. Clearly, of course, it’s already in wild birds. Where else has it gone?

Well, the reason it’s become such a threat is because of how widespread it’s become in wild birds. So they keep reintroducing it to wild animal populations pretty much anywhere they go. So we’ve seen the virus repeatedly pop up in all sorts of animals that you might figure would eat a wild bird, so foxes, bobcats, bears. We actually saw it in a polar bear, raccoons. So a lot of carnivores and scavengers.

The thinking is that these animals might stumble across a sick or dead bird, eat it, and contract the virus that way. But we’re also seeing it show up in some more surprising places, too. We’ve seen the virus in a bottle-nosed dolphin, of all places.

And most devastatingly, we’ve seen enormous outbreaks in other sorts of marine mammals, especially sea lions and seals.

So elephant seals, in particular in South America, were just devastated by this virus last fall. My colleague Apoorva Mandavilli and I were talking to some scientists in South America who described to us what they called a scene from hell, of walking out onto a beach in Argentina that is normally crowded with chaotic, living, breathing, breeding, elephant seals — and the beach just being covered by carcass, after carcass, after carcass.

Mostly carcasses of young newborn pups. The virus seemed to have a mortality rate of 95 percent in these elephant seal pups, and they estimated that it might have killed more than 17,000 of the pups that were born last year. So almost the entire new generation of this colony. These are scientists that have studied these seals for decades. And they said they’ve never seen anything like it before.

And why is it so far reaching, Emily? I mean, what explains these mass die-offs?

There are probably a few explanations. One is just how much virus is out there in the environment being shed by wild birds into water and onto beaches. These are also places that viruses like this haven’t been before. So it’s reaching elephant seals and sea lions in South America that have no prior immunity.

There’s also the fact that these particular species, these sea lions and seals, tend to breed in these huge colonies all crowded together on beaches. And so what that means is if a virus makes its way into the colony, it’s very conducive conditions for it to spread. And scientists think that that’s actually what’s happening now. That it’s not just that all these seals are picking up the virus from individual birds, but that they’re actually passing it to each other.

So basically, this virus is spreading to places it’s never been before, kind of virgin snow territory, where animals just don’t have the immunity against it. And once it gets into a population packed on a beach, say, of elephant seals, it’s just like a knife through butter.

Absolutely. And an even more extreme example of that is what we’re starting to see happen in Antarctica, where there’s never been a bird flu outbreak before until last fall, for the first time, this virus reached the Antarctic mainland. And we are now seeing the virus move through colonies of not only seabirds and seals, but penguin colonies, which have not been exposed to these viruses before.

And it’s too soon to say what the toll will be. But penguins also, of course, are known for breeding in these large colonies.

Probably. don’t have many immune defenses against this virus, and of course, are facing all these other environmental threats. And so there’s a lot of fear that you add on the stress of a bird flu virus, and it could just be a tipping point for penguins.

Emily, at this point, I’m kind of wondering why more people aren’t talking about this. I mean, I didn’t know any of this before having this conversation with you, and it feels pretty worrying.

Well, a lot of experts and scientists are talking about this with rising alarm and in terms that are quite stark. They’re talking about the virus spreading through wild animal populations so quickly and so ferociously that they’re calling it an ecological disaster.

But that’s a disaster that sometimes seems distant from us, both geographically, we’re talking about things that are happening maybe at the tip of Argentina or in Antarctica. And also from our concerns of our everyday lives, what’s happening in Penguins might not seem like it has a lot to do with the price of a carton of eggs at the grocery store. But I think that we should be paying a lot of attention to how this virus is moving through animal populations, how quickly it’s moving through animal populations, and the opportunities that it is giving the virus to evolve into something that poses a much bigger threat to human health.

So the way it’s spreading in wild animals, even in remote places like Antarctica, that’s important to watch, at least in part because there’s a real danger to people here.

So we know that the virus can infect humans, and that generally it’s not very good at spreading between humans. But the concern all along has been that if this virus has more opportunities to spread between mammals, it will get better at spreading between them. And that seems to be what is happening in seals and sea lions. Scientists are already seeing evidence that the virus is adapting as it passes from marine mammal to marine mammal. And that could turn it into a virus that’s also better at spreading between people.

And if somebody walks out onto a beach and touches a dead sea lion, if their dog starts playing with a sea lion carcass, you could imagine that this virus could make its way out of marine mammals and into the human population. And if it’s this mammalian adapted version of the virus that makes its way out, that could be a bigger threat to human health.

So the sheer number of hosts that this disease has, the more opportunity it has to mutate, and the more chance it has to mutate in a way that would actually be dangerous for people.

Yes, and in particular, the more mammalian hosts. So that gives the virus many more opportunities to become a specialist in mammals instead of a specialist in birds, which is what it is right now.

Right. I like that, a specialist in mammals. So what can we do to contain this virus?

Well, scientists are exploring new options. There’s been a lot of discussion about whether we should start vaccinating chickens in the US. The government, USDA labs, have been testing some poultry vaccines. It’s probably scientifically feasible. There are challenges there, both in terms of logistics — just how would you go about vaccinating billions of chickens every year. There are also trade questions. Traditionally, a lot of countries have not been willing to accept poultry products from countries that vaccinate their poultry.

And there’s concern about whether the virus might spread undetected in flocks that are vaccinated. So as we saw with COVID, the vaccine can sometimes stop you from getting sick, but it doesn’t necessarily stop infection. And so countries are worried they might unknowingly import products that are harboring the virus.

And what about among wild animals? I mean, how do you even begin to get your head around that?

Yeah, I mean, thinking about vaccinating wild animals maybe makes vaccinating all the chickens in the US look easy. There has been some discussion of limited vaccination campaigns, but that’s not feasible on a global scale. So unfortunately, the bottom line is there isn’t a good way to stop spread in wild animals. We can try to protect some vulnerable populations, but we’re not going to stop the circulation of this virus.

So, Emily, we started this conversation with a kind of curiosity that “The Daily” had about the price of eggs. And then you explained the bird flu to us. And then somehow we ended up learning about an ecological disaster that’s unfolding all around us, and potentially the source of the next human pandemic. That is pretty scary.

It is scary, and it’s easy to get overwhelmed by it. And I feel like I should take a step back and say none of this is inevitable. None of this is necessarily happening tomorrow. But this is why scientists are concerned and why they think it’s really important to keep a very close eye on what’s happening both on farms and off farms, as this virus spreads through all sorts of animal populations.

One thing that comes up again and again and again in my interviews with people who have been studying bird flu for decades, is how this virus never stops surprising them. And sometimes those are bad surprises, like these elephant seal die-offs, the incursions into dairy cattle. But there are some encouraging signs that have emerged recently. We’re starting to see some early evidence that some of the bird populations that survived early brushes with this virus might be developing some immunity. So that’s something that maybe could help slow the spread of this virus in animal populations.

We just don’t entirely know how this is going to play out. Flu is a very difficult, wily foe. And so that’s one reason scientists are trying to keep such a close, attentive eye on what’s happening.

Emily, thank you.

Thanks for having me.

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