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Frame looks good with nice lines and while this is an individual thing, the 19" version fits me about as perfectly as any bike ever has. The hydraulic brakes offer great feel. I liked them more than I thought that I would. Grips are also above average for stock. Wheels and tires offer nice mix of better than average roll with some light off-road ability. The chainstay port for the Duotrap is something that I took advantage of and it works quite well. It is pretty neat and tidy and I have it mated to a Bontrager 300 computer. Overall, pretty slick. I have a few bikes in the stable but if I lived in an apartment still or some other situation where I had to pick one jack-of-all-trades, master of none kind of bike, this would be on the short list. I got mine second-hand but after riding for several weeks, I thought so much of it that bought my wife a brand new one.

Suspension fork isn't going to win any awards but it gets the job done for the type of expected riding you're likely to do and they also look quite nice with color-matched paint to the frame. In red, mine really pops. It does have a progressive lockout dial but the limited travel and old-school spring will really be a step down for those used to air shocks on their mountain bikes. The stock saddle and pedals had to go but I can't remember a bike that I haven't said that about in the last 20 years- Anyway, those minor issues were solved with some modestly priced upgrades.

Great all around bike, good on the road, rolls fast. Hydraulic brakes, shifting, geometry (for larger man). Looks

Single wall wheels on stock bike, pedals, Local Trek store (Pittsburgh area)

OK I am writing a review after riding over a 1000 miles on my 2014 8.4 DS Gary Fisher edition. It should be similar to the newer models. I starting looking at replacing my 18 year old Trek 800 last summer. The bike had been nails for that entire time and was going with my son to school. I of course was focused on Trek, though my wife has a Giant(and loves it) and looked at those and a few others, though was partial to Trek. I actually was looking at the FX series but the guy at the Trek store pointed me to the 8.3 and 8.4 DS. I liked the 8.3, but noticed a big difference in braking and shifting in the 8.4 and absolutely loved. Also loved the fact that I could take off road (though not too off with the 700X38 tires) and it was much better on the road, where I do most of my riding, with the larger and narrower wheels. I have ridden over 1000 miles since last August and have loved the ride. Until June it required no maintenance, not even a cable adjust. Just chain lube and pedals (see below). However in June, while riding on a flat, paved trail, a spoke broke. I didn’t think much of it, called the Trek store and they said it would be 7 to 10 days to fix. I took to my LBS I have been going to for years (Giant dealer) and fixed same day. When I broke another spoke in August, I thought this is not right. Took to the Trek store and they gave me some hassle about need to verify the warranty (7-10 days)and If I wanted it fixed it would be 5 days or pay an extra $22 to move up the line. Additionally they told me the wheels where not very good and I needed to upgrade components. I told the kid that’s not what you should be telling people that have purchased a $1000 bike (actually $900 with some add ons). I did say while I did not spend $3000 or more on a mountain or road bike, it is still a lot of money and I don’t expect that. I took back to my LBS and he fixed again in a day. He did tell me it should not be happening and though he thought that type of bike should have a double walled rim (like the comparable Giant) it should not have happened with the type of riding I was doing. I emailed Trek customer service and within a couple days got a call. The guy on the phone was great, said he himself loved this bike and agreed this should not happen. He had a new TLR wheel sent to my local Trek store and they installed in about an hour. The mechanic I got this time was very nice, and agreed this should not have happened on the AT650 wheel. He was glad Trek was taking care of and said I should expect no more issues with the TLR wheel. Overall a great bike if you are an all-around rider. If you are going to just ride roads, or trails, probably a purpose built bike would be better. But if you like to mix things up this is a great bike. It has the clearance for larger tires so you can do more off road. Hydraulic brakes are fantastic, shifting has been great. I have read on some other blogs that the front forks don’t have enough travel, but I have not had an issue with it. Again if you are going to do heavy mountain biking, probably a purpose built bike is better. Also read another blog that did not like the tires. The 700X38 tires that came on the bike have a low knob, and you do get some tire whine on the road, but the fact the tires can go off road is what I like so I have no issue with that. However if ride on loose surfaces a lot, my want to get a wider tire. Only other con is the pedals. They are aluminum cage with a resin spindle. They started clicking after about 700 miles and required lube ever 2-3 rides. I have since switched them out. Outside of the issue I had locally, this has been a great bike and would highly recommend.

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All the joys of cycling are yours with Trek’s 8.4 DS. This go-anywhere machine is road-bike fast, hybrid-bike capable and fun everywhere. The DS sports a spry aluminum frame with 700c Bontrager wheels and multi-surface tires for a ride that is efficient on pavement and confident on dirt. Up front, you have a 63mm-travel suspension fork with an on-the-fly suspension lockout for when you switch terrain. You even have hydraulic disc brakes, so if you’re commuting in the rain, or riding with a little mud in the mix, there’s the confidence of all-conditions stopping power. Go everywhere and ride it all aboard your DS!

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Frame Trek Alpha Gold aluminum
Fork SR Suntour NEX, 63mm-travel
Hubs Formula aluminum
Crank FSA Dyna Drive
Front Derailleur Shimano Acera
Rear Derailleur Shimano Alivio
Shifters Shimano Acera
Brakeset Tektro HDC-300 disc
Handlebar Bontrager low riser
Saddle Bontrager H1
Stem Bontrager Blendr Elite
Grips Bontrager Satellite Elite, lock-on ergonomic

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2014 Trek 8.4 DS

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Streets and paths, suburbs and woods; return to the simple joys of cycling with Trek's 8.4 DS. This go-anywhere machine is road-bike fast, trail-bike capable and fun everywhere. The DS sports a spry aluminum frame with 700c Bontrager wheels and multi-surface tires for a ride that is efficient on pavement and confident on trails. Up front, you have a 63mm-travel suspension fork with an on-the-fly suspension lockout for when you switch terrain. You even have hydraulic Hayes disc brakes, so if you're commuting in the rain, or riding with a little mud in the mix, you've got the confidence of all-conditions stopping power. Go everywhere and ride it all aboard your DS!

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Anyone have opinions on how well the Trek 8.4DS would handle on mountain bike trails?

I've ridden mine on some single track here in central Florida and it rides good. The only problem I've had was with the front fork suspension lockout lever. It popped off while I was riding it in the woods and was lost. I called Trek and they sent me a new one free of charge (BTW several people who have this bike have had the same problem with this lever). I did go with a different tire setup (Bontrager 29-3) and that helped a lot. If you go to Bikeforums.net and browse the Hybrid section there is a member called zerogravity who has ridden a lot of trails on his 8.4DS. He has posted to several threads about the 8.4DS.

Ah, the Bontrager 29-3's are full-on mountain bike tires. That's what I have on my Cobia, so there wouldn't be any point in me putting those tires on the DS. I might as well just ride the Cobia at that point. Did you ever ride trail on the stock tires?

When I first got it I rode on the stock tires and they worked fine on hardpack trails but would sink down in the sand and slide out from under me so I went with the 29-3 to lessen the washout. I still ride my 8.4 on the original tires on hardpack access roads but I switch to my Mamba when I want to ride single track.

Hmm...well that gives me something to go on. The 8.4 DS seems like it'll be a good town bike for riding the busted sidewalks andgoing off in the grass and dirt on occasion. I thought it would be nice if it would serve as a secondary mountain bike in case I wanted to go ride with a friend that didn't have a bike. But that may be expecting too much. Another option I considered is putting some thinner tires on my Cobia and then just buying a new mountain bike, such as an X-Cal or Superfly AL. That would be more expensive though. And I'm not sure a Cobia with thinner tires would be quite as fast on pavement as the 8.4 DS.

As noted the DS series of bikes are neither a full on mountain bike, nor a full on pavement bike. They're a compromise that allow for pavement and dirt use. But the primary bent is toward pavement/paved path. The DS bikes will do well on hard pack fairly smooth dirt trails, rail trails, lime stone paths, etc. But when things get "mountain bikey" you can very quickly find them out of their element. They're a great bike for around town, especially if you live and ride in areas like the midwest where spring road break up is common, lots of dirt roads. dirt paths through parks and nature areas, and so on. But the DS bikes are not a substitute for a full on mountain bike like the Cobia. They are stouter than your standard Hybrid or Fitness bike and will take on more varied terrain than either and will stand up to more "abuse". But they're not MTB tough and shouldn't be used as one. Anyway, the DS will certainly do more than a standard hybid when it comes to dirt. Just not on par with a full on MTB. Good Dirt

Good info. I won't plan on using a DS for any mountain biking then. How about performance of the DS vs. a Cobia with skinnier tires on paved roads? Would the DS still have a lot of advantage?

I wouldn't say a big advantage, but there would be some. The DS has taller gearing with 48/36/26 chain rings up front compared to the 44/32/22 of the Cobia which would give you more top end on the DS. Also you'd be able to run narrower tires on the DS due to the narrower rim width on the DS. You wouldn't want to go much narrower than a 1.5" or 38c tire on the wider rims on the Cobia simply for ease of install. The DS comes stock with 38cs and could easily be rigged with 28c without much trouble. That and the DS is a bit lighter, not a huge amount though. So yeah there'd be an advantage to the DS over the Cobia on pavement even with narrower pavement tires on the Cobia. How big an advantage would depend on the rider. Not a lot of folks I know can spin out a 48/11 gear combination on anything but a down hill unless they are in darn good shape. But the DS overall would be faster. :thumbsup: Good Dirt

Awesome. Well I think I'm most likely going to go with the DS, then. It should be a good ride, even if it can't substitute as a 2nd mountain bike.

I've also been trying to find an alternative tire for my mamba for the paved trails so I don't wear out my mtb tires. I've had a spare wheelset for several months to mount them on so all I had to do is change out wheels when I ride paved trails. I'm looking at the Geax Evolution to mount on them because I like the softer ride and I'm not too concerned about speed. Maybe its just me getting old but I like the softer ride of the lower pressure than the higher pressure of the LT3 on my 8.4 DS and I like the riding position more on my mamba than the 8.4.

Personally I wouldn't buy the DS if you already have the Cobia, there isn't much difference between the 2 bikes. A Cobia with narrow tires will be 99% the same as the DS, why have 2 bikes that are so similar? Your money would be better spent on a second set of wheels/tires for your Cobia.

You should always have an extra bike. Besides, I don't want to swap wheels/tires. I just want to grab a bike and go.

I've actually been thinking about using those Geax Evolution tires on my 8.4 DS instead of swapping wheels/tires on the Mamba. I'll know more once I find some locally so i can get a personal look at the tread pattern.

Well, I decided instead of going with the DS, that I'd replace my Cobia with a Superfly and then turn the Cobia into a hybrid. I did and it rides awesome. All I did was change the tires to some 700x35 and 700x38's.

Not to resurrect an old thread but here it is.. The short story is that I bought a new 8.4DS for long distance paved/hard pack biking with the minor grass/dirt crossing. Yesterday, I took it offroad with a group of guys I met while biking. The bike help up well even with the narrower tires that it comes with from factory. I'm thinking that after I wear out the stock tires, I will replace them, including the rims with as wide a tire as I can fit in the 8.4.. I realize this bike isn't prime for off road but I don't plan to do anything very challenging, I just like going on the moderate to lite trails. I am planning to upgrade to locking pedals from ISSI and shoes from Specialized. I also want to go to a 1x10 setup. Since the day I purchased my bike, I've never used any of the other two gears int eh front, just the middle gear so I would like to get rid of the extra weight/components i.e gear shift in favor for a single sprocket. Does anyone have any experience with this bike that can point me in the right direction? I realize I should have bought a different bike for MTB riding but I swore I would never hit the trails. I lied to myself, it's super addicting and we have some great trails here in NE Ohio.

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DS Series is the ultimate hybrid: part refined city bike, part adventurous trail ride. Fast 700c wheels, capable suspension, and a light, strong frame make DS the go-anywhere choice.

Why choose between road and trail? DS is built for adventure on or off the road, ready to take you from week to weekend and back in comfortable, confident style. Key features

Strong, light aluminum frame is road quick, trail tough DuoTrap S compatible: track your fitness, map your miles Road/trail versatility plus rack/fender compatibility Dual sport geometry is fast, sporty, and all-day comfortable

FrameAlpha Gold Aluminium, DuoTrap S compatible, rack & mudguard mounts Front suspensionSR Suntour NEX, coil spring, preload, hydraulic lockout, 63mm travel

WheelsFormula alloy hubs, Bontrager Tubeless Ready disc rims Front HubFormula DC20 alloy Rear HubFormula DC22 alloy RimsBontrager Tubeless Ready disc TyresBontrager LT2 Comp, 700x38c DRIVETRAIN

ShiftersShimano Acera M390, 9-speed Front derailleurShimano Acera Rear derailleurShimano Alivio M430 CrankFSA Dyna Drive, 48/36/26 Bottom bracketSealed cartridge CassetteSRAM PG 950, 11-32, 9-speed ChainKMC X9

SaddleBontrager H1 SeatpostBontrager SSR, 2-bolt head, 27.2mm, 12mm offset HandlebarBontrager Low Riser alloy, 31.8mm, 15mm rise StemBontrager Blendr Elite, w/computer & light mounts, 31.8mm, 7-degree Head set1-1/8" threadless, sealed cartridge bearings Brake setTektro M290 hydraulic disc

Weight19" - 13.76 kg

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The Comprehensive Guide to Moscow Nightlife

Posted on April 14, 2018 July 26, 2018
by Kings of Russia
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Moscow’s nightlife scene is thriving, and arguably one of the best the world has to offer – top-notch Russian women, coupled with a never-ending list of venues, Moscow has a little bit of something for everyone’s taste. Moscow nightlife is not for the faint of heart – and if you’re coming, you better be ready to go Friday and Saturday night into the early morning.

This comprehensive guide to Moscow nightlife will run you through the nuts and bolts of all you need to know about Moscow’s nightclubs and give you a solid blueprint to operate with during your time in Moscow.

What you need to know before hitting Moscow nightclubs

Prices in moscow nightlife.

Before you head out and start gaming all the sexy Moscow girls , we have to talk money first. Bring plenty because in Moscow you can never bring a big enough bankroll. Remember, you’re the man so making a fuzz of not paying a drink here or there will not go down well.

Luckily most Moscow clubs don’t do cover fees. Some electro clubs will charge 15-20$, depending on their lineup. There’s the odd club with a minimum spend of 20-30$, which you’ll drop on drinks easily. By and large, you can scope out the venues for free, which is a big plus.

Bottle service is a great deal in Moscow. At top-tier clubs, it starts at 1,000$. That’ll go a long way with premium vodka at 250$, especially if you have three or four guys chipping in. Not to mention that it’s a massive status boost for getting girls, especially at high-end clubs.

Without bottle service, you should estimate a budget of 100-150$ per night. That is if you drink a lot and hit the top clubs with the hottest girls. Scale down for less alcohol and more basic places.

Dress code & Face control

Door policy in Moscow is called “face control” and it’s always the guy behind the two gorillas that gives the green light if you’re in or out.

In Moscow nightlife there’s only one rule when it comes to dress codes:

You can never be underdressed.

People dress A LOT sharper than, say, in the US and that goes for both sexes. For high-end clubs, you definitely want to roll with a sharp blazer and a pocket square, not to mention dress shoes in tip-top condition. Those are the minimum requirements to level the playing field vis a vis with other sharply dressed guys that have a lot more money than you do. Unless you plan to hit explicit electro or underground clubs, which have their own dress code, you are always on the money with that style.

Getting in a Moscow club isn’t as hard as it seems: dress sharp, speak English at the door and look like you’re in the mood to spend all that money that you supposedly have (even if you don’t). That will open almost any door in Moscow’s nightlife for you.

Types of Moscow Nightclubs

In Moscow there are four types of clubs with the accompanying female clientele:

High-end clubs:

These are often crossovers between restaurants and clubs with lots of tables and very little space to dance. Heavy accent on bottle service most of the time but you can work the room from the bar as well. The hottest and most expensive girls in Moscow go there. Bring deep pockets and lots of self-confidence and you have a shot at swooping them.

Regular Mid-level clubs:

They probably resemble more what you’re used to in a nightclub: big dancefloors, stages and more space to roam around. Bottle service will make you stand out more but you can also do well without. You can find all types of girls but most will be in the 6-8 range. Your targets should always be the girls drinking and ideally in pairs. It’s impossible not to swoop if your game is at least half-decent.

Basic clubs/dive bars:

Usually spots with very cheap booze and lax face control. If you’re dressed too sharp and speak no Russian, you might attract the wrong type of attention so be vigilant. If you know the local scene you can swoop 6s and 7s almost at will. Usually students and girls from the suburbs.

Electro/underground clubs:

Home of the hipsters and creatives. Parties there don’t mean meeting girls and getting drunk but doing pills and spacing out to the music. Lots of attractive hipster girls if that is your niche. That is its own scene with a different dress code as well.

What time to go out in Moscow

Moscow nightlife starts late. Don’t show up at bars and preparty spots before 11pm because you’ll feel fairly alone. Peak time is between 1am and 3am. That is also the time of Moscow nightlife’s biggest nuisance: concerts by artists you won’t know and who only distract your girls from drinking and being gamed. From 4am to 6am the regular clubs are emptying out but plenty of people, women included, still hit up one of the many afterparty clubs. Those last till well past 10am.

As far as days go: Fridays and Saturdays are peak days. Thursday is an OK day, all other days are fairly weak and you have to know the right venues.

The Ultimate Moscow Nightclub List

Short disclaimer: I didn’t add basic and electro clubs since you’re coming for the girls, not for the music. This list will give you more options than you’ll be able to handle on a weekend.

Preparty – start here at 11PM

Classic restaurant club with lots of tables and a smallish bar and dancefloor. Come here between 11pm and 12am when the concert is over and they start with the actual party. Even early in the night tons of sexy women here, who lean slightly older (25 and up).

The second floor of the Ugolek restaurant is an extra bar with dim lights and house music tunes. Very small and cozy with a slight hipster vibe but generally draws plenty of attractive women too. A bit slower vibe than Valenok.

Very cool, spread-out venue that has a modern library theme. Not always full with people but when it is, it’s brimming with top-tier women. Slow vibe here and better for grabbing contacts and moving on.

High-end: err on the side of being too early rather than too late because of face control.

Secret Room

Probably the top venue at the moment in Moscow . Very small but wildly popular club, which is crammed with tables but always packed. They do parties on Thursdays and Sundays as well. This club has a hip-hop/high-end theme, meaning most girls are gold diggers, IG models, and tattooed hip hop chicks. Very unfavorable logistics because there is almost no room no move inside the club but the party vibe makes it worth it. Strict face control.

Close to Secret Room and with a much more favorable and spacious three-part layout. This place attracts very hot women but also lots of ball busters and fakes that will leave you blue-balled. Come early because after 4am it starts getting empty fast. Electronic music.

A slightly kitsch restaurant club that plays Russian pop and is full of gold diggers, semi-pros, and men from the Caucasus republics. Thursday is the strongest night but that dynamic might be changing since Secret Room opened its doors. You can swoop here but it will be a struggle.

Mid-level: your sweet spot in terms of ease and attractiveness of girls for an average budget.

Started going downwards in 2018 due to lax face control and this might get even worse with the World Cup. In terms of layout one of the best Moscow nightclubs because it’s very big and bottle service gives you a good edge here. Still attracts lots of cute girls with loose morals but plenty of provincial girls (and guys) as well. Swooping is fairly easy here.

I haven’t been at this place in over a year, ever since it started becoming ground zero for drunken teenagers. Similar clientele to Icon but less chic, younger and drunker. Decent mainstream music that attracts plenty of tourists. Girls are easy here as well.

Sort of a Coyote Ugly (the real one in Moscow sucks) with party music and lots of drunken people licking each others’ faces. Very entertaining with the right amount of alcohol and very easy to pull in there. Don’t think about staying sober in here, you’ll hate it.

Artel Bessonitsa/Shakti Terrace

Electronic music club that is sort of a high-end place with an underground clientele and located between the teenager clubs Icon and Gipsy. Very good music but a bit all over the place with their vibe and their branding. You can swoop almost any type of girl here from high-heeled beauty to coked-up hipsters, provided they’re not too sober.

Afterparty: if by 5AM you haven’t pulled, it’s time to move here.

Best afterparty spot in terms of trying to get girls. Pretty much no one is sober in there and savage gorilla game goes a long way. Lots of very hot and slutty-looking girls but it can be hard to tell apart who is looking for dick and who is just on drugs but not interested. If by 9-10am you haven’t pulled, it is probably better to surrender.

The hipster alternative for afterparties, where even more drugs are in play. Plenty of attractive girls there but you have to know how to work this type of club. A nicer atmosphere and better music but if you’re desperate to pull, you’ll probably go to Miks.

Weekday jokers: if you’re on the hunt for some sexy Russian girls during the week, here are two tips to make your life easier.

Chesterfield

Ladies night on Wednesdays means this place gets pretty packed with smashed teenagers and 6s and 7s. Don’t pull out the three-piece suit in here because it’s a “simpler” crowd. Definitely your best shot on Wednesdays.

If you haven’t pulled at Chesterfield, you can throw a Hail Mary and hit up Garage’s Black Music Wednesdays. Fills up really late but there are some cute Black Music groupies in here. Very small club. Thursday through Saturday they do afterparties and you have an excellent shot and swooping girls that are probably high.

Shishas Sferum

This is pretty much your only shot on Mondays and Tuesdays because they offer free or almost free drinks for women. A fairly low-class club where you should watch your drinks. As always the case in Moscow, there will be cute girls here on any day of the week but it’s nowhere near as good as on the weekend.

In a nutshell, that is all you need to know about where to meet Moscow girls in nightlife. There are tons of options, and it all depends on what best fits your style, based on the type of girls that you’re looking for.