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By St Pete Cruiser , July 14, 2023 in Holland America Line

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We were advised onboard the Noordam back in April that Norway will restrict cruise ships from entering their "best" Unisco fjords beginning in 2025, unless they are zero emissions powered. Read electric as LNG still have emissions. Hurtigruten has a diesel powered ship that can run on battery as do some Scandinavian ferries. A friend forwarded a pic of the Viking Jupiter in Eidfjord along with the Statendam showing the blue emissions from the Jupiter despite Vikings claim of being a clean hybrid ship. I can understand Norway's reluctance to have their pristine fjords polluted. 

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This is old news.

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3 minutes ago, St Pete Cruiser said: We were advised onboard the Noordam back in April that Norway will restrict cruise ships from entering their "best" Unisco fjords beginning in 2025, unless they are zero emissions powered. Read electric as LNG still have emissions. Hurtigruten has a diesel powered ship that can run on battery as do some Scandinavian ferries. A friend forwarded a pic of the Viking Jupiter in Eidfjord along with the Statendam showing the blue emissions from the Jupiter despite Vikings claim of being a clean hybrid ship. I can understand Norway's reluctance to have their pristine fjords polluted.   

Not sure where you are getting your information regarding Viking. At no time have Viking stated that the Jupiter, which was ocean ship # 6, is a clean hybrid ship. The Jupiter has 4 medium speed prime movers in a diesel/electric system, with exhaust gas scrubbers. It has no LNG or Hydrogen propulsion options. The Jupiter is a clean ship, but is not zero emission.

Your photo may have white balance issues, as having spent 100 days on ship # 4, most of the emissions were white, which is mostly steam or water vapour.

Viking's hybrid ships are starting with the latest ship ( # 10), which has a small hydrogen fuel cell, with the technology being expanded in the next vessel (# 11) entering service next year.

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Also, the ban on certain UNESCO enrolled fjords (including Geiranger and Flam) does not begin until January 1, 2026, so the 2025 season is still planned.

1 hour ago, cruisemom42 said: Also, the ban on certain UNESCO enrolled fjords (including Geiranger and Flam) does not begin until January 1, 2026, so the 2025 season is still planned.    

You are correct. Thanks. Two seasons after this year.

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Trade publications written with information supplied by Viking/Fincantieri have claimed that they are hybrid ships. Even Viking's own publications:

" Viking Star   and her sister ships feature energy-efficient hybrid engines, a hydrodynamically optimized streamlined hull for maximum fuel efficiency and equipment that limits exhaust."

11 hours ago, Heartgrove said: Trade publications written with information supplied by Viking/Fincantieri have claimed that they are hybrid ships. Even Viking's own publications:   " Viking Star   and her sister ships feature energy-efficient hybrid engines, a hydrodynamically optimized streamlined hull for maximum fuel efficiency and equipment that limits exhaust."  

I also read lots of trade publications and have been in the Engine Room of Viking Sun. They are fitted with 4 x MAN 32/44 Common Rail, medium speed diesels capable of burning heavy FO in a Diesel/Electric configuration, which is standard for most cruise ships. Two are 9 cylinder and the other two are 12 cylinder.

When in the Engine Room, we were not advised of any high voltage batteries that would be required for a hybrid system and I have not seen any publication mention batteries. When I looked at the power distribution board I do not recall seeing any input source from high voltage batteries.

I have sailed with similar MAN engines and they certainly weren't hybrids.

4 hours ago, Heidi13 said:   I also read lots of trade publications and have been in the Engine Room of Viking Sun. They are fitted with 4 x MAN 32/44 Common Rail, medium speed diesels capable of burning heavy FO in a Diesel/Electric configuration, which is standard for most cruise ships. Two are 9 cylinder and the other two are 12 cylinder.   When in the Engine Room, we were not advised of any high voltage batteries that would be required for a hybrid system and I have not seen any publication mention batteries. When I looked at the power distribution board I do not recall seeing any input source from high voltage batteries.   I have sailed with similar MAN engines and they certainly weren't hybrids.

Yes, I agree with you with that being the case. My point is the quote I provided is from Viking's own website. It is Viking that is referring to their ships as "hybrids."  This is the page that has the quote I referenced.

https://www.vikingcruises.com/oceans/video/ships/viking-star-built-to-be-green/play.html

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I would note that the two new Princess builds (to be delivered in the next 2 years)  and some future RCI ships will be powered by LNG.  I have also wondered how long before some environmental groups force a similar "zero-emission" policy for cruises to places like Glacier Bay.

How do they charge the batteries with zero emissions? Even if you charge from solar, there are a lot of emissions to make the panels.

I guess this means sail only and there are going to be bunch of sailboats stuck against the fjord walls until the wind changes.

44 minutes ago, POA1 said: How do they charge the batteries with zero emissions? Even if you charge from solar, there are a lot of emissions to make the panels.   I guess this means sail only and there are going to be bunch of sailboats stuck against the fjord walls until the wind changes.

From what I've read I gather they are thinking of some type of dual system with batteries + an alternate source of fuel. The batteries would be used for cruising the fjords. Once clear of the protected fjords, the alternate power source could be used (and I suppose could also be employed to recharge the batteries).

Currently I think battery power for this usage is up to about 4 hours but that is anticipated to increase. This is all gleaned from various online sources, some of which may not be fully current.

2 hours ago, Hlitner said: I would note that the two new Princess builds (to be delivered in the next 2 years)  and some future RCI ships will be powered by LNG.  I have also wondered how long before some environmental groups force a similar "zero-emission" policy for cruises to places like Glacier Bay.   Hank

I was not aware that Princess had any new builds coming. 

The Holland America staff always say LNG is too limited in locations they cruise to.

14 minutes ago, St Pete Cruiser said: I was not aware that Princess had any new builds coming.  The Holland America staff always say LNG is too limited in locations they cruise to.

The two new Princess ships are a new class (175,000 tons) 4000 capacity that are said to be partially powered by LNG,  I am assuming (and this is all speculation) that they will have kind of backup power that uses traditional fuel.  The issue of availability of LNG has been discussed (elsewhere on CC) and can be an issue in some parts of the world.  But we are told that with more commercial ships using LNG, the availability should rapidly improve.  

When we first heard about the trend towards LNG, my first thought was that LNG might pose some new risk of accident/explosion.  A few of the mariner experts here on CC, one of whom was a chief engineer (on cruise ships and other commercial vessels) said that LNG is quite safe in a marine environment.  You can google "LNG powered ships" and read some interesting articles.  I believe that CCL has ordered 4 LNG powered ships (2 for Princess and 2 for Aida) although my info might no longer be correct.

Havila Voyages, which is the new competitor for Hurtigruten in Norway, currently has two ships and soon will have four. They are true hybrids as they depend on batteries recharged by their diesel engines and can sail up to four hours on batteries alone.

MSC began sailing their new ship MSC Euribia on voyages to Norway in June that is fueled by LNG. A duel-fuel diesel engine can be configured to use LNG and switch back to diesel fuel by the flick of a switch. Normally it will burn 98% LNG and 2% Diesel but can run on 100% diesel as well. The 2% diesel when on LNG helps with the lubrication of the fuel system.

AIDA is currently sailing the AIDAnova and has taken delivery of AIDAcosmo,  both are LNG fueled cruise ships.

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2 hours ago, POA1 said: I guess this means sail only and there are going to be bunch of sailboats stuck against the fjord walls until the wind changes.

I don't know why, but I keep getting mental flashes of a Roman Galley with a crew of vegan oarsmen.  Is that ecologically friendly? hybrid? or just plain bonkers?  🤪

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29 minutes ago, VMax1700 said: I don't know why, but I keep getting mental flashes of a Roman Galley with a crew of vegan oarsmen.  Is that ecologically friendly? hybrid? or just plain bonkers?  🤪          

Since we're talking about the fjords here, a Viking longship with plenty of brawny Viking rowers might be more apt?

13 minutes ago, cruisemom42 said:   Since we're talking about the fjords here, a Viking longship with plenty of brawny Viking rowers might be more apt?  

whatever turns you on  😉 🤣

I suppose that should really be: 'whatever rocks your boat'  😉

I was trying to work out which would possibly be the most vegan and none really filled that criteria.

2 hours ago, Heartgrove said: Havila Voyages, which is the new competitor for Hurtigruten in Norway, currently has two ships and soon will have four. They are true hybrids as they depend on batteries recharged by their diesel engines and can sail up to four hours on batteries alone.   MSC began sailing their new ship MSC Euribia on voyages to Norway in June that is fueled by LNG. A duel-fuel diesel engine can be configured to use LNG and switch back to diesel fuel by the flick of a switch. Normally it will burn 98% LNG and 2% Diesel but can run on 100% diesel as well. The 2% diesel when on LNG helps with the lubrication of the fuel system.   AIDA is currently sailing the AIDAnova and has taken delivery of AIDAcosmo,  both are LNG fueled cruise ships.    

Right!! The Norwegians are serious people. As major oil exporters, they've built hydro projects to power domestic consumption. Enough to export power to their neighbours.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Norway

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10 hours ago, Heartgrove said:   Yes, I agree with you with that being the case. My point is the quote I provided is from Viking's own website. It is Viking that is referring to their ships as "hybrids."  This is the page that has the quote I referenced.   https://www.vikingcruises.com/oceans/video/ships/viking-star-built-to-be-green/play.html

I read their marketing materials, prior to booking the World Cruise with them. A little more research indicated they had exercised some literary liberties, expanding the truth somewhat. However, with respect to the new buildings, they will be, or closer to zero emissions.

Haven't researched hydrogen fuel cells, as I have never sailed with them, but note even LPG, which is cleaner burning, still needs to be mixed with some diesel for combustion. 

7 hours ago, Hlitner said: I would note that the two new Princess builds (to be delivered in the next 2 years)  and some future RCI ships will be powered by LNG.  I have also wondered how long before some environmental groups force a similar "zero-emission" policy for cruises to places like Glacier Bay.   Hank

If Glacier Bay goes "zero emission", the LNG burning ships won't meet that criteria. LNG burns cleaner, but is used in dual fuel engines, with a small amount of diesel (about 2 - 5%), which is required for combustion.

My last command has since been converted to LNG, but she still uses a good amount of diesel every day.

6 hours ago, POA1 said: How do they charge the batteries with zero emissions? Even if you charge from solar, there are a lot of emissions to make the panels.   I guess this means sail only and there are going to be bunch of sailboats stuck against the fjord walls until the wind changes.

The Norwegians have zero emission ships that use solar panels. They also have smaller vessels using hydrogen fuel cells. Viking, I believe is the first cruise line, to plan for hydrogen fuel cell technology on larger ships.

I don't research as thoroughly in retirement, but I don't believe the hydrogen fuel cell technology for larger vessels has received Class approval, as yet. Since Viking have publicly announced that the next vessel will include this technology, I can only assume Viking, the shipyard and Class are working on approvals, as the ship is built.

Hopefully the Chief can assist, as he has an engineering background @chengkp75  

Neither hydrogen fuel cells nor solar panels are truly zero emissions. I'm pretty sure that you are limited to sail and tides. (I'm not aware of any ship sized hydroelectric.)

If I'm wrong and you can find fuel cells and solar panels in nature, I apologize.

7 minutes ago, POA1 said: Neither hydrogen fuel cells nor solar panels are truly zero emissions. I'm pretty sure that you are limited to sail and tides. (I'm not aware of any ship sized hydroelectric.)   If I'm wrong and you can find fuel cells and solar panels in nature, I apologize.

If you are considering the manufacturing of the solar panels and hydrogen, followed by shipping to the end user and installation, then I concur they are not truly zero emission. Using that analogy, neither is sail truly zero emission, as some type of power is required for manufacturing the sails, masts, stays and associated hardware. Having used a manual palm & needle stitching canvas, I am well aware that it is impractical to complete even the extensive stitching on a sail manually.

The sailboat, while not producing emissions from the means of propulsion (once installed) still requires the production of power for operational systems and pax/crew requirements. Since the sails don't provide any electric power, the vessel still has to generate power.

Once installed and operational on a ship, I am not aware of any propulsion emissions from a solar vessel. Yes, the fuel cells emits water vapour and heated air, both of which are acceptable in zero emission zones. 

I want to thank both Heidi13 and chengkp (who is lurking somewhere) for all the professional mariner knowledge they contribute to these CC boards.  They have both taught me a lot about the industry.

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One more industry that can be saved by nuclear power - long-term US Navy best practices can show the cruise industry the way.

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Norway, renowned for its stunning fjords, is gearing up to implement a bold move by banning certain types of cruise ships from its waters by 2026.

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Norway on Jan. 1, 2026, will begin a ban on cruise ships powering through the Unesco-listed heritage fjords on anything but zero-emissions propulsion. For now, that means battery power, but few of the 190 cruise ship calls to these fjords are made with that kind of electro-chemical fuel on board. From now until 2026, you can still cruise the fjords on a closed-loop, or in-line, scrubber system, but few cruise ships have these installed. The new rules mean cruising elsewhere, finding suppliers of energy storage systems or accepting novel zero-emissions solutions.

Western Norway’s UNESCO-designated Geiranger and Naeroy fjords start at the sea and terminate in picturesque villages, where a cloud of exhaust from visiting cruise ships tends to hang.   The plumes of visible emissions of particulate matter, carbon-dioxide, sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide and water vapor have been studied at length, and now the Norwegian government has had enough: The polluting ends Jan. 1st, 2026, and by 2030, the remaining Norwegian fjords will be made emissions-free zones.  

The studies by DNV GL, Marinetek and Sintef reveal that just 25 percent of cruise ships entering the fjords are running low-SOx and low-NOx systems aboard, including scrubbers. Most are on cleaner, low-sulfur distillate fuels for main and auxiliary engines, and about 10 percent run on bunker; 70 percent of cruise ships entering the protected fjords were built, on average, 20 years ago and lack the newer, greener tech.  

It was a 2018 Norwegian government debate on the embarrassing fjord clouds that led to the new zero-emissions ban on fossil fuels in passenger ships over 1,000 GT. The Norwegian Maritime Authority in coastal town Haugesund that will enforce the requirement that cruise calls in the fjords are electric-only. The NMA will also enforce the use of closed-loop exhaust scrubbers until 2016. Until then, too, European Emissions Control Areas rules for NOx and SOx will apply above Norway’s 62nd parallel of latitude (including the half of Geiranger fjord nearest the sea).

“It’ll definitely impact the (cruise industry),” says the NMA’s head of delegation to the IMO, Lars Christian Espenes. “It could be difficult for cruise ships, as only a handful are compliant.” He confirms that it’ll be battery power only or hybrid from 2026 on, admitting that “few are prepared” for the changes. That’s great news for Norway-based power-system integrators like Siemens, ABB, Kongsberg Maritime (formerly Rolls-Royce Marine) and a range of others with containerized or compartmentalized energy storage systems, or ESS, a battery or hybrid ships power and propulsion solution. Integrating battery power is also great for Canada-rooted battery outfit, Corvus Energy, a newly integral part of western Norway’s maritime clusters.

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Visuals presented at the Miami trade show in April suggest the battery-laden “fjord pilot” could be the interim solution for fjord-going cruise vessels: batteries aboard the AHTS ship by 2026 ahead of new battery and other designs for cruise by 2030. The aim is to have the cruise ship in hotel mode, with hotel power streamed over from the AHTS. Technology now used to charge batteries at harbour would effect the power transfer under new harbour systems, now on the drawing board, are developed.

The sail-equipped cruise ship would be ready by 2030. It’s designer, understood to be industrial designers, Eker Design, have developed the concept in cooperation with cruise heavyweights, Carnival and Royal Caribbean. Other Maritime Cleantech suppliers have also gotten onboard. The key to these “sale-and-solar” designs is ESS, with batteries this time charged by photovoltaic cells imbedded in 5,000 square meters of sails. All passengers are envisioned having their own balconies surfaced with solar-filmed glass. Clean sailing While we’ve seen and walked around the containerized ESS from three different suppliers and power-system integrators, the sail, solar and battery cruise concept envisages a novel exchange of power and service containers for each onboard process: “packs” for energy (batteries); kitchen waste; potable water; passenger waste; recycling and luggage. All would be emptied or exchanged shoreside and replaced with fresh packs — energy or service. The energy packs are key, as battery, hydrogen and ammonia fuel cells are envisaged. It is hoped the energy “cycle” of containerized ESS, solar and sail power provide 14 days of “clean sailing” through the fjords.

In the six-and-a-half years before the zero-emissions deadline, cruise vessels will only be allowed into the inner fjords if they’re running closed scrubber technology, or tech that doesn’t dip or release into sea water or surrounding air to do the job. Norway-based exhaust scrubber makers offer open and closed scrubber systems in the run-up to the Heritage Fjords deadline. Last year saw a ramp-up of systems production that failed to meet demand, as it surges ahead of the IMO’s Jan. 1st, 2020 deadlines for getting the SOx in emissions down to 0.5 parts per million.

“As far as we know, the regulation concerns the so-called Heritage Fjords, where a zero-emission policy will be implemented from 2026,” says a maker of scrubbers for ocean-going tankers, cargo vessels and cruise ships. “This means no fossil fuels can be used by any vessel inside these fjords … (cruise vessels) all use fossil fuels (so) they simply cannot enter these fjords from 2026”. Another scrubber maker says their systems are too large for cruise, “because you’d have to remove a casino or a pool”.

So, the Fjords clean-up may be strictly about marine batteries. Retrofits of these, at least for AHTSs, can seem as simple or as configurable as a Kongsberg Maritime battery “container” connected to a hub. The no-emissions rule (which includes “grey water” and waste), will turn an ugly problem into a unique opportunity for the local shipping cluster and allied international partners to take a market lead. The NMA affirms this: “We take a very strong role in creating international regulations,” says NMA spokesperson, Caroline Stensland. The 350-strong agency headquartered in Haugesund works with industry on new tech much like DNV GL does, and their own engineers and scientists work alongside maritime cluster participants. “That sets us apart from other national maritime authorities,” she says. “We see ourselves as partners for technology development.”

Key to that development are the system integrators, “clustered” and incubated by Maritime CleanTech and government. As we went to press, the NCE was showing the Cluster’s zero-emissions concepts to conferencegoers at SeaTrade Cruise Global in Miami. “The world’s first zero-emissions zone (Norway’s heritage fjords)” and the heavyweights of cruise will have their first zero-emissions, solar-sail-ESS between by 2030. Until then, it’s cruise ships in-tow. Corvus’s Cruise Offering Corvus Energy’s batteries are understood to be at the heart of the solar-sail cruise concept and a temporary plan to use retired anchor handlers packed with batteries to tow passenger vessels through Norway’s fjords.

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Halvard Hauso, executive VP at Corvus Energy, confirms the ESS outfit is ramping up for the cruise segment. “We’re launching a battery system for each vessel type,” he says, confirming that batteries let owners shrink engine sizes. Hauso’s comment is timely — a cruise vessel recently thundered through the nearby fjords on main engines packing 120 megawatts of power.

Already, Corvus Energy’s ESS is slated to be aboard vessels of the cruise ship operator, Havila Kystruten. The liners will operate from Bergen in Western Norway to Kirkenes in the near arctic. That success, the largest marine battery order ever, is being followed up with a new series of battery packs expected to launch at Norway’s Nor-Shipping expo in June 2019.

With 200 MWh of installed power, Corvus may already have half the market for marine battery power. Now, moving operations from Canada to Scandinavia and securing a network of Norwegian owners has proved prescient. Competitors have fallen away. It was the logistical costs and bans on air-lifting tenable chemicals that had padded the logic of setting up in Norway.  

New Corvus product launches for specific shipping segments are being rolled out named for ocean mammals that denote scale: cruise is understood to be called the Blue Whale package. Orca is understood to be for adventure cruise or yachts. “We decided on the (blue) whale format of ESS because it was too big for yachts and too small for rigs,” Hauso says, admitting that quietly, Corvus has had 190 energy storage projects on the go, including 13 in the cruise and yacht segment.

The newest Corvus ESS are solid-state rather than gelatinous, and that has reduced the size of the company’s new Orca system for ferries by half. The Blue Whale system, which will have power and coms controls moved to the cabinet, are being offered to the cruise market with unique chemistry made by different suppliers.

Blue Whale marine ESS will roll out to the cruise market in earnest by 2021, or just in time for Norway’s 2026 Fjords rules and a year after MARPOL emissions rules kick in. As Hauso says, power configurations for cruise will mean ESS becomes “as a fuel, with more batteries.”

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Unless another court ruling overturns Bar Harbor’s new cruise ship limits, 2025 is expected to be the last year that large passenger ships drop anchor in Frenchman Bay.

But it could be sooner than that — or may have already passed — if a judge decides that the town must enforce the new limits this year.

“Large” can be a relative term when the smallest cruise ships that visit Bar Harbor are more than 200 feet long and can accommodate 100 paid passengers. Most of the ships that visit Bar Harbor, Maine’s busiest cruise ship port, are closer to 1,000 feet long and carry between 1,800 and 4,000 passengers per voyage.

It is these larger ships that effectively will be banned from visiting the tourist destination when the town’s new daily limit of 1,000 passengers per day  starts being enforced. Of Bar Harbor’s current 104 cruise ship visits scheduled for this year, 70 would be prohibited if the daily limit was to go into effect before May 2, when the first large ship of the year, carrying nearly 2,400 passengers, is expected to arrive.

Of the ships that will still be allowed, most carry approximately 100 to 200 passengers and rarely do two of them appear in Bar Harbor on the same day. As a result, the town most likely will get only a couple hundred passengers ashore on cruise ship days — below the daily 1,000-passenger limit and far below the 2,000 to 5,000 passengers that have sometimes come ashore when multiple ships are in town at the same time.

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But when the new limit will be fully enforced is a heated subject of debate  in Bar Harbor, where the council says it will honor reservations made by large ships before voters approved the new limits on Nov. 8, 2022. Charles Sidman , a local resident who spearheaded the referendum vote, is taking the town to court to try to legally compel it to enforce the cap now.

In addition, a coalition of local businesses is challenging the new daily limit in federal court, arguing that it runs counter to federal maritime law and is unfairly onerous. A federal judge upheld the new daily limit  in February, but the business group has said it intends to appeal the decision.

Regardless of which entity prevails in court, the number of annual cruise ship visits to Bar Harbor, which gets millions of visitors each year who arrive each year by car or bus, already is declining and likely will never regain the volume of recent years.

Outside the COVID-19 pandemic years of 2020 and 2021 — when the global cruise ship industry ground to a halt and no ships came to Bar Harbor  — the town recently has averaged roughly 150 visits each year, all between late April and early November, and received an annual total between 200,000 and 250,000 passengers. This year, even if large ships are allowed, the town will get fewer than 200,000 passengers for the first time — apart from 2020 and 2021 — since 2016.

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After cruise ships first started showing up sporadically off Bar Harbor in the 1980s, their numbers jumped above 50 per year in 2001 and then above 100 per year in 2008. The town’s first year with more than 100,000 cruise ship passengers was in 2004, when it welcomed 87 ships into Frenchman Bay.

Along the way, the town has worked with local cruise industry officials to find ways to manage the flow of passengers to and from the downtown waterfront. It moved anchorage points in the bay behind the Porcupine Islands to make the ships less visually imposing from downtown, and tried making adjustments to how tour buses come and go from West Street to relieve traffic congestion, even as the number of visits consistently increased over time.

But as complaints continued to come in, the town decided in 2021 — when annual visits to Acadia National Park soared to more than 4 million  — to conduct a survey to ask local people what they thought about local cruise ship traffic. More than half  of the survey’s respondents said the volume of cruise ship visits was hurting the town.

With the writing on the wall, both town officials and local cruise industry officials began discussing how to reduce the number  of large ships that visit each year.

Together, they came up with a plan to impose a daily passenger cap of 3,800 passengers for May, June, September and October, and a daily cap of 3,500 for July and August. They also agreed on monthly caps of 30,000 passengers in May and June, 40,000 in July and August, and 65,000 in September and October.

But Sidman’s 2022 citizens’ petition effort, which led to the November referendum that year, derailed that plan.

For now, with Bar Harbor officials saying they plan to honor large cruise ship reservations made prior to the November 8, 2022 vote, the number of visits scheduled for 2025 stands at 18, all of which are large ships that together would bring nearly 57,000 ship passengers to town between late August and early October. The Regal Princess, which carries 3,560 passengers, would be the final large ship to visit Bar Harbor, on Oct. 28, 2025.

All large ship reservation requests that have come in since residents approved the daily 1,000-passenger cap have been denied, according to town officials.

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A group of Norwegian Cruise Line passengers was left behind after returning late to their ship in Africa.

Eight guests missed the last tender back to Norwegian Dawn while the ship was visiting the island nation of São Tomé and Príncipe on Wednesday, according to a spokesperson for the line. They were on a tour not organized through Norwegian.

Two guests, Jay and Jill Campbell, told South Carolina’s ABC 15 News their tour went longer than expected. When they returned, the ship was still in port, and the captain declined to let them board despite numerous attempts to reach Norwegian. At one point, they said, the island nation’s coast guard took them to the ship on a boat but told them to return to shore.

“The captain could have made an easy decision to turn one of the tender boats back, pick us up, safely load us, and then go on the way," Jay Campbell told the outlet.

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“When the guests did not return to the vessel at the all-aboard time, their passports were delivered to the local port agents to retrieve when they returned to the port, as per the regular protocol,” the Norwegian spokesperson said in an emailed statement. “Our team has been working closely with the local authorities to understand the requirements and necessary visas needed for the guests to rejoin the ship at the next available port of call.”

Since then, the passengers have been scrambling to catch up to the cruise. Here’s what to do if you get stranded during a stop and how to minimize the chance of being left behind:

What happens if I don’t get back to my cruise in time?

Cruise lines warn guests they may get stuck if they don’t return to the ship by the stated all-aboard time.

“While this is a very unfortunate situation, guests are responsible for ensuring they return to the ship at the published time, which is communicated broadly over the ship’s intercom, in the daily print communication and posted just before exiting the vessel,” the Norwegian spokesperson said.

Cruise ships are on tight schedules while in port, said Joanna Kuther, a New York City-based travel agent and owner of Port Side Travel Consultants. “So if they have to leave at a certain time, they have to leave at that time,” she said. “It could be that there's another (ship) coming in. It could be (that) people aren't going to be there to be working on the pier.”

The Campbells told ABC 15 News that they traveled through six countries for 15 hours to reach Gambia, where the ship was due to stop on Monday. However, the vessel was unable to dock due to low tides. Norwegian said it made the change “due to adverse weather conditions, as well as tidal restrictions that require specific timing for safe passage.”

“While we share in our guests’ disappointment, this modification was made with great consideration for their safety and that of our crew, which is our top priority,” the spokesperson added.

The cruise line authorized them to rejoin the ship in Dakar, Senegal, on Tuesday.

Kuther recommended guests who miss their all-aboard time contact the cruise line to let them know and reach out to their travel agent – if they have one – who can help handle the logistics. She said the nearest U.S. embassy may also be able to assist them.

Are travelers responsible for added expenses?

Travelers who do not board their ship in time are generally responsible for getting themselves to the next port of call, according to Kuther.

Travel insurance won't be much good in that scenario, either.

"Typically travel delay coverage/missed connection coverage is due to a delay of a common carrier such as an airline delay or cancellation for a covered reason which causes you to miss your cruise/tour departure," Meghan Walch, director of product at InsureMyTrip, said in an email. "An excursion supplier not getting you back to your cruise in time is typically not covered."

The Norwegian spokesperson said the cruise line is reimbursing the eight guests for their travel expenses from Banjul, Gambia, to Dakar, but Kuther stressed that kind of compensation is “definitely the exception to the rule.”

How to avoid getting stranded

When choosing a shore excursion, Kuther said it’s safest to book through the cruise line or with another vendor that guarantees to get passengers back to the ship on time or to the next port. Travel agents can help guests find those options, or they can ask operators about their policies directly when booking.

Just in case something does go wrong, travelers should bring a credit card or debit card so they have a way to cover any costs they might incur. Kuther typically recommends bringing an ID “because you don’t want to be carrying around your passport,” but if travelers are going on a private excursion without that kind of guarantee, it’s a different story.

“You probably should have your passport with you because you're going to need it to get on a flight to get to the next port, especially if it's in a different country,” she said.

At the very least, it’s a good idea for travelers to have a photo of their passport on hand, and share a copy with someone back home who is easily reachable.

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She also recommended they make sure their phone or watch is set to ship time rather than the time of the destination, which may be different (the all-aboard time will be on ship time). “So many people get confused with that,” Kuther said.

To be safe, she suggested guests get back to the ship an hour early if they’re exploring on their own or on a self-booked excursion in case they hit traffic or face other issues.

“It's one of those things like, it's not a problem until it's a problem,” Kuther said. She urged travelers not to expect the ship to wait. “If they can, I'm sure they will, but I would never tell someone, ‘Don’t worry about it.’”

Nathan Diller is a consumer travel reporter for USA TODAY based in Nashville. You can reach him at [email protected]

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An Australian couple stranded on an African island after being abandoned by a Norwegian Cruise Lines ship has spoken out about their ordeal — saying it was “the worst experience of our lives.”

Doug and Violeta Sanders said they had to fend for themselves after a private tour they took during a stop last week on the island of São Tomé ran past the time they needed to return to the Norwegian Dawn and they weren’t allowed to board, Sky News Australia reported .

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“It’s been the worst experience of our lives to be abandoned like that in a strange country, can’t speak the language — it’s Portuguese and African,” Violeta told Seven’s “Sunrise,” an Australian morning TV show.

“We have no money, our credit cards aren’t accepted,” she added.

They and the other six passengers were not allowed to get back on the vessel, which sailed off without them.

The stranded passengers were helped by the US Embassy in Angola and boarded a flight to Gambia in hopes of joining the ship in Banjul, but it was unable to dock due to low tide and moved on to Senegal.

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A Norwegian Cruise Line rep said the passengers were on a private tour, not one organized by the company.

Keep up with The Post's coverage of the Norwegian Cruise debacle

  • Eight Norwegian Cruise passengers, including a pregnant woman and an elderly man with a heart condition, were stranded on an African island without money and vital medications after the vessel left port without them.
  • A spokesperson for the cruise line claimed the passengers were left on the island “on their own or with a private tour” and missed the “all-aboard time” by over an hour, according to the company.
  • Americans Jill Campbell and her husband, Jay Campbell, said they are unsure whether they even want to resume the 20-day voyage after Norwegian Cruise Lines forgot about its “basic duty of care.”
  • The eight passengers raced through seven different countries over a span of 48 hours to make it to Senegal, where the ship docked Tuesday morning,
  • Doug and Violeta Sanders, a stranded Australian couple, have spoken out about their ordeal , saying it was “the worst experience of our lives.”
  • Julie Lenkoff, 80,  suffered a stroke during an excursion on the cruise — and was left “alone” and “helpless” to find her way back to the US, according to her family.
  • COLUMN: Cruise ship was right to ditch the late passengers in Africa

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“We work closely with local tour operators to ensure excursions are planned to our schedule to guarantee timely arrivals back to the port. The excursion this group was on was not organized through us but on their own. As such, we are not in communication with their private tour operator,” the spokesperson said.

Attorney James Diamond from TWC Lawyers said it is a “hard and fast rule” that a ship can leave once a final call has been made.

A group of people including Jill and Jay Campbell, stranded on a boat near São Tomé and Príncipe, Africa after being denied reentry to their Norwegian cruise ship.

“They pay a lot of money for docking fees, and renting out the space,” he told the program. “They have times that they have to leave, those times are published and unfortunately, I know it’s morally incorrect, but they do have the right to leave.”

Among those stranded were Americans Jill and Jay Campbell.

The passengers raced through seven different countries in 48 hours to make it to Dakar, Senegal, where they finally got back on the ship, according to Sky News.

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  • Nine Norwegian Cruise Line passengers were reportedly left behind on the African island of São Tomé and Príncipe on March 27 
  • The group was on a guided excursion that got delayed, leading them to miss the ship’s "all aboard" call 
  • A statement from Norwegian Cruise Lines noted that all guests are responsible for returning to the docked ship at the designated call time 
  • Eight people were able to catch up to the ship on Tuesday morning after reportedly traversing seven countries.
  • One, who had fallen ill before the incident, has safely returned to the U.S.

Multiple passengers were stranded on an island in Africa after their Norwegian Cruise Line ship reportedly left them behind. After several days of uncertainty and a trek across seven countries, they're now back on board the vessel.

On Wednesday, March 27, South Carolina couple Jill and Jay Campbell were enjoying a guided tour on the island of São Tomé and Príncipe located off the continent's western coast, ABC15 News reported at the time. The pair was with six other American and Australian passengers when they realized they wouldn’t make it back to the ship on time due to their tour taking longer than planned.

Though the tour operator contacted the cruise ship’s captain to inform them of the delay, the captain refused to let them back on the still-anchored ship when they arrived at the port because it was after the "all aboard" call, per the outlet. 

The São Tomé and Príncipe Coast Guard allegedly then took them by boat directly to the ship where the captain again did not permit them to board. 

The group later encountered another stranded passenger, an 80-year-old woman, who was hospitalized on the island after a cruise line tour, the outlet stated. The woman reportedly experienced memory and vision loss due to a medical emergency. 

In addition to the ill passenger, the group also includes one person who is pregnant, one with a heart condition and four elderly travelers. 

The majority of the group left their medications and credit cards on the ship except for the Campbells, who have reportedly paid over $5,000 for food, accommodations, and other necessities for their fellow passengers. 

On Sunday, the U.S. Embassy in Angola allegedly arranged for the group to fly to the West African country of Gambia, the ship's next planned port of call, so they could reboard. 

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Unfortunately, the group discovered the cruise ship wasn’t docked at the port in Gambia as planned because it had to spend another day at sea due to low tides. ABC News 4 reports the passengers spent fifteen hours traveling through six countries to make it to the port on Sunday. 

“We have to cross the ferry to get into Senegal,” Campbell told the outlet on Monday, marking their seventh country. “We just learned from the gentleman that the ferry hadn’t been working, but he said no problem, if the ferry is not working we will get another little boat and then pick up a car on the other side. And then once we get on the other side of Senegal, it’s another four-hour drive.” 

In a statement to PEOPLE, Norwegian Cruise Line said, “On the afternoon of March 27, 2024, while the ship was in São Tomé and Príncipe, an African island nation, eight guests who were on the island on a private tour not organized through us missed the last tender back to the vessel, therefore not meeting the all aboard time of 3 p.m. local time."

The statement continued, “While this is a very unfortunate situation, guests are responsible for ensuring they return to the ship at the published time, which is communicated broadly over the ship’s intercom, in the daily print communication and posted just before exiting the vessel.”

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The cruise line added that guests are “responsible for any necessary travel arrangements” to meet the ship at the next port and that they had each of their passports “delivered to the local port agents to retrieve” when they missed their all aboard call.

The group was finally able to catch up to the vessel. They reached Dakar, Senegal, its next port, on Monday night, PEOPLE confirmed.

After what they'd been through, Jill told NBC News in a story published on Tuesday, "We are considering whether or not we are going to board the ship. We believe there was a basic duty of care that they had forgotten about, so it does concern us." While she allowed that Norwegian technically followed protocol, she says, "I believe that they really forgot that they are people working in the hospitality industry and really the safety and well-being of the customers should be their first priority."

On Tuesday morning, the eight passengers, less the person who had fallen ill and later safely returned home to the United States, chose to board the cruise. Norwegian confirmed the news to PEOPLE in a statement.

"Despite the series of unfortunate events outside of our control, we will be reimbursing these eight guests for their travel costs from Banjur, Gambia to Dakar, Senegal. We remain in communication with the guests and are providing additional information as it becomes available,"

The Norwegian Dawn departed from Cape Town, South Africa, on March 20 for a 21-day trip that will end in Barcelona on April 10.

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Why Tuesday's earthquake in Taiwan was so much less destructive than the one in 1999

As of Thursday local time, authorities say nine people were killed during the quake and just over 1,000 people were injured. Train service through the epicenter was restored within 24 hours.

"It is quite remarkable that given an earthquake of this magnitude, we have seen so few reported causalities," says Daniel Aldrich , a political science professor at Northeastern University who studies earthquake resilience around the world. " India and Haiti faced less powerful earthquakes but had far more casualties and Taiwan has managed to have so few."

The last time Taiwan experienced an earthquake at this scale was in 1999 , when more than 2,000 people died in a 7.3 magnitude quake that hit central Taiwan and collapsed more than 100,000 buildings. Post-quake audits found shoddily enforced building codes and poor quality materials .

"At that moment, Taiwan reorganized its disaster response and began a number of attempts at bottom-up and top-down responses to shocks," Aldrich says. "What we're seeing in 2024 is a direct outcome of the previous response and governmental criticism."

Over the next 25 years, Taiwan embarked on a campaign to retrofit and reinforce existing bridges and buildings to withstand more intensive seismic waves, while mandating strict adherence to earthquake-resistant building codes. Much of the island's housing stock was built before 1999 .

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"We have upgraded our infrastructure a lot since then, including thickening walls and adding pillars," Zheng Rushi, a civil engineer with the Hualian municipal government, told NPR on Thursday.

Taiwan also instituted an earthquake alert system, though the system malfunctioned on Wednesday.

Each earthquake Taiwan experienced has offered a learning experience. Following a deadly 2016 earthquake, engineers discovered that a collapsed high-rise building had used faulty designs that favored big, open lobbies. Such designs left its bases weak, which were in part to blame for the higher number of fatalities and collapses.

Among the updated codes are more robust steel rebar designs embedded in reinforced concrete, strengthening building foundations, and staging regular earthquake drills among the general public.

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Rescue workers are shown looking for possible victims within the remains of an apartment that collapsed in the magnitude 6.4 earthquake, in the southern Taiwanese city of Tainan on Feb. 10, 2016. ANTHONY WALLACE/AFP via Getty Images hide caption

Rescue workers are shown looking for possible victims within the remains of an apartment that collapsed in the magnitude 6.4 earthquake, in the southern Taiwanese city of Tainan on Feb. 10, 2016.

"The most important the task that we have done is the retrofit for the whole schools," says Kuo-Fong Ma , a research fellow and seismologist at the Academia Sinica in Taipei.

The measures are crucial, given Taiwan's familiarity with earthquakes. Every year, the island experiences more than 2,000 small quakes a year, though only a fraction are sizable enough to be noticeable to humans. At least three dozen active geological fault lines run underneath Taiwan.

The island's east coast is especially vulnerable to earthquakes, because it sits on some of the biggest fault lines . A magnitude 7.2 earthquake in September 2022 south of Wednesday's quake, near the eastern city of Taitung, killed one person.

"Taiwan has invested a lot of time and resources to make infrastructure more resilient to earthquakes," says Trevor Carey , a civil engineering professor at the University of British Columbia who traveled to Taiwan after the 2022 quakes to assess and learn from the damage.

"The team saw a lot of things that confirmed newer or updated infrastructure or retrofits did better during an earthquake, and older non-retrofitted [buildings] did not do as well."

In Hualien, a low-lying city on Taiwan's east coast close to the epicenter of Wednesday's earthquake, residents had largely returned to life as normal, and fewer than 100 buildings were damaged or destroyed during the earthquake, city authorities said.

A damaged, multi-story building in the center of the city listed to its side while city workers piled a huge mound of dirt in front to prop the building up before they demolish it later this week. Rescuers had pulled 24 people out of the building on Wednesday. The buildings around it remained intact.

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