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2023 Stevens E-8X Tour Lady

A 29″ aluminum frame women’s hybrid e-bike with high-end components and hydraulic disc brakes. Compare the full range

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Specifications

• Frame Aluminium 6061 TB, O.L.D.: 142 mm, Brake: postmount disc 7"", BB: Bosch, Cable routing: internal, Fender + rack mounts
• Fork SR Suntour Mobie25-Air LOR, Travel: 63 mm, Air suspension, Lockout, Tapered Steerer 1 1/8"" - 1 1/2", O.L.D.: 100 mm, Brake: postmount disc 6", Fender mounts
• Motor Bosch G4 Performance Line CX, Continuous rated power: 250 W, Max. torque: 85 Nm, Breakaway at 25 km/h (15.5 mph), No of notches: 4 drive modes with support levels 60-340 % plus walk assistance, Mileage: See BOSCH Range Assistant
• Battery Bosch PowerPack 500, Capacity: 500 Wh/13.4 Ah, Voltage: 36 V, Technology: Li-Ion
• Hubs Shimano MT410, Axle: QR12x148 mm
• Wheels Oxygen RM-T20 Disc, ETRTO: 20 x 622
• Tires Continental Double Fighter III, Tire size: 50-622, Reflective stripes
• Chain Shimano CN-M6100
• Crank Oxygen E-Scorpo, BB type: Bosch / ISIS
• Bottom Bracket Bosch, press-fit
• Rear Derailleur Shimano Deore XT Shadow+, RD-M8100-SGS, 12-speed, Total capacity: 41 T
• Shifters Shimano Deore XT, SL-M8100-R, 12-speed
• Brakeset Shimano Deore XT, BR-M8100, Hydraulic disc brake
• Handlebar Oxygen E-Scorpo, Width: 660 mm, Backsweep: 9°, Rise: 25 mm, Clamp: 31.8 mm
• Saddle Oxygen Lynx
• Seatpost Oxygen E-Scorpo, Length: 320 mm, Diameter: 30,9 mm, Insertion depth: min. 100 mm
• Stem Oxygen E-Scorpo, Handlebar clamp: 31.8 mm, Angle: 17°
• Headset STEVENS AH Taper 1 1/8""-1 1/2", Upper bearing cup: ZS44/28.6, Lower bearing cup: ZS55/40

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Recreational sportster.

STEVENS' X-Cross genes and a low weight of under 23kg make this e-bike the ideal companion for fast-paced rides. Thanks to the power of the latest Bosch Performance CX motor even the longest stages will turn into a purely pleasant experience. Shimano Deore XT disc brakes with 180mm diameter front and rear always keep the E-8X Tour, its rider and luggage under control when it's gliding over streets, bike paths and gravel roads on its perfectly profiled Continental tires.

• Fast touring pedelec with high quality specs
• Bosch G4 Performance Line CX Cruise system with innovative Kiox display
• 500 Wh battery for touring-capable range
• Shimano Deore XT: 12-speed gears plus hydraulic disc brakes
• Fast & grippy Continental Double Fighter III tires
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Due to problems in the delivery chains caused by COVID 19, the bike can be delivered with modifications. The delivery dates specified by your STEVENS dealer may also be delayed.

• O.L.D.: 142 mm
• Brake: postmount disc 7"
• Cable routing: internal
• Fender + rack mounts
• Travel: 63 mm
• Air suspension
• Tapered Steerer 1 1/8" - 1 1/2"
• O.L.D.: 100 mm
• Brake: postmount disc 6"
• Fender mounts
• Upper bearing cup: ZS44/28.6
• Lower bearing cup: ZS55/40
• Hydraulic disc brake
• Rotor: SM-RT54
• Rotor size: 180/180 mm
• Center-Lock
• BB type: Bosch / ISIS
• RD-M8100-SGS
• Total capacity: 41 T
• Combination: 10-12-14-16-18-21-24-28-33-39-45-51 T
• Continuous rated power: 250 W
• Max. torque: 85 Nm
• Capacity: 500 Wh/13.4 Ah
• Voltage: 36 V
• Technology: Li-Ion
• Since the range of a pedelec depends on many factors, we recommend the BOSCH Range Assistant . For more information on pedelecs and their ranges see our FAQ, the frequently asked questions .
• Axle: QR15x100/12x142 mm
• ETRTO: 19 x 622
• Tire size: 50-622
• Reflective stripes
• Width: 660 mm
• Backsweep: 9°
• Rise: 25 mm
• Clamp: 31.8 mm
• Handlebar clamp: 31.8 mm
• Length: 320 mm
• Diameter: 30.9 mm
• Insertion depth: min. 100 mm
• Illuminance (front): 150 lux
• Close range light
• Daylight function (front)
• Stationary taillight
• Automatic on/off
• Kickstand mount: KSA 40
• Rear rack mount: RTA
• Bike incl. rider, clothing and luggage

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Das E-8X Tour ist ein verspieltes Kraftpaket mit Top-Ausstattung und Temperament. Leicht, lebhaft und mit einem gewissen Understatement – Preis/Leistungs-Tipp.

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Wer ein sportlich abgestimmtes und hochwertig ausgestattetes Touren-Pedelec sucht, wird das STEVENS schnell zu schätzen lernen.

* Values measured with rider on board and slightly compressed front fork / rearshock (regular riding position)

** measured 1/3 from seattube and 2/3 from headtube, fork and rearshock not compressed (static)

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Recommended Frame Size

Here you see a suggested frame size matching your step length. This is only a first clue. Please consult your specialist dealer and do a test drive.

Recreational sportster.

STEVENS' X-Cross genes and a low weight of just 21.7kg (48lbs) make this pedelec the ideal companion for fast-paced rides. Thanks to the power of the Bosch Performance CX motor even the longest stages will turn into a purely pleasant experience. Shimano Deore XT disc brakes with 180mm diameter front and rear always keep the E-8X Tour, its rider and luggage under control when it's gliding over streets, bike paths and gravel roads on its minimally profiled Schwalbe tires.

• Fast touring pedelec with high quality specs
• Bosch Performance Line CX system with the new Kiox display
• 500 Wh battery for touring-capable range
• Shimano Deore XT: 11-speed gears plus hydraulic disc brakes
• Air suspension fork w/ tapered steerer and thru-axle
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Dropouts with integrated pannier rack eyelets

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Integrated Pannier Rack Strut

QR15 Front Thru-Axle

500 Wh Battery

Hydroforming

IQ-X Head Light

Tapered Steerer / Tapered Headtube

Tire clearance up to 47 mm

Triple Butted, Double Butted

Hydraulic Disc Brakes (Trekking)

Integrated pannier rack mount dropout.

In collaboration with pannier rack specialists Tubus and Racktime STEVENS' engineers have developed a dropout that also serves as an elegant pannier rack mount. It not only looks fantastic, it also ensures that forces caused by luggage or large amounts of groceries are evenly transmitted inot the frame - resulting in a more stable and safer design.

Even when you can't see the strut that connects the pannier rack to the fender - it is there. The strut runs below the fender and provides - in connection with the rack mounted to the fender - more stability and lateral stiffness.

"15" stands for the diameter in millimeters, "QR" for quick release. Combined they are the most useful method to fix the front wheel to the (suspension) fork. With convincing advantages: high stiffness, precise positioning of the brake disc and super-easy handling. So STEVENS specs almost all its mountain bikes and even high-quality trekking bikes, cross bikes and pedelecs with a thru-axle. Additionally, especially with 29" MTBs axle spacing is increased from 100 to 110 mm which makes the design even stiffer.

This will decide success or failure of e-mobility. That's why STEVENS uses batteries with a huge 500 Watt-hour capacity in all its top-notch pedelecs for up to 215 km of range (according to the manufacturer, please refer to the Bosch range calculator for more exact results). This is possible even without a weight penalty: Compared to the old PowerPack 400, the new Bosch PowerPack 500 is just 100 grams heavier. This huge "fuel tank" is our premier recommendation for pedelec riders who don't shy away from the hilliest of itineraries.

Using water or oil pressure aluminium tubes are transformed from their original round shape into their ideal shape determined by STEVENS engineers to perfectly withstand any load without any weight penalty. Riders of allround bikes and pedelecs will benefit from a better stability caused by hydroforming even when they are touring with heavy luggage.

The IQ-X head light range from Busch+Müller, thanks to their newly developed light technology, enables dynamo-powered head light to break the 100-lux barrier for the first time ever - and in addition illuminates a large area in front of the bike very evenly. The smaller, more elegant XS version still makes 70 Lux. But the record goes to the IQ-X E head light with its 150 Lux (!) rivalling actual sun light as attached to the handlebar of our fast S-pedelec Triton 45.

Fork shaft (or steerer tube) and head tube are tapered, meaning their diameter increases from top to bottom resulting in a conical shape. The diameter needs to be bigger at the bottom since this is where higher stress is applied - especially when the bike has a higher total weight due to luggage or an e-drive and battery. Also tapered steerers feature a smoother force transfer (like forces caused by hard braking) to the downtube than forks with a continuous 1 1/8" diameter.

Those who are riding on rougher surfaces now can mount up to 47 mm wide tires to benefit from more comfort and flat protection that derive from their larger volume, and that can be ridden with lower pressure. Frame and fork are already prepared accordingly.

Meaning a frame tube has three or two different wall thicknesses along its length. Triple butted (TB) is the usual technology with STEVENS high-quality frames. Tubes with different wall thicknesses are optimally adjusted to certain ways of manufacturing or to withstand specific loads. Where the highest loads occur or where tubes are welded, walls are the thickest. Butted tubes allow frame weight to be lower by several hundred grams.

There is no more reliable brake system than hydraulic disc brakes - that is why we strongly advice everyone, who is riding their cross, trekking- or city bike 12 months a year to choose one of our models with the „DISC“ suffix. Brake power is easy to modulate and does not fade a bit in the wet. Also the brakes are almost maintenance-free. And your local STEVENS dealer will gladly explain to you what you need to take care of when removing and re-installing a wheel

• Axle: QR10x135
• Brake: Postmount disc 6"
• Cable routing: internal
• Fender + rack mounts
• Travel: 63 mm
• Air suspension
• Tapered Steerer 1 1/8" - 1 1/2"
• Axle: QR15x100
• Brake: postmount disc 6"
• Fender mounts
• Upper bearing cup: ZS44/28.6
• Lower bearing cup: ZS55/40
• Hydraulic Discbrake
• Rotor: SM-RT64
• Rotor size: 180/180 mm
• Center-Lock
• Continuous rated power: 250 W
• Max. torque: 75 Nm
• Capacity: 500 Wh/13.4 Ah
• Voltage: 36 V
• Technology: Li-Ion
• Since the range of a pedelec depends on many factors, we recommend the BOSCH Range Assistant . For more information on pedelecs and their ranges see our FAQ, the frequently asked questions .
• BB type: Bosch / ISIS
• RD-M8000-DGS
• Direct Mount
• Total capacity: 39 T
• Combination: 11-13-15-17-19-21-24-28-32-37-46 T
• HB-M7010 | FH-M7000
• ETRTO: 19 x 622
• Tire size: 40-622
• Dual compound
• Reflective stripes
• Width: 660 mm
• Backsweep: 9°
• Rise: 25 mm
• Clamp: 31.8 mm
• Handlebar clamp: 31.8 mm
• Length: 320 mm
• Diameter: 30,9 mm
• Insertion depth: min. 100 mm
• SL-M8000-RAP2
• Illuminance (front): 150 lux
• Close range light
• Daylight function (front)
• Stationary taillight
• Automatic on/off
• Kickstand mount: KSA 40
• Rear rack mount: RTA
• Bike incl. rider, clothing and luggage

* Values measured with rider on board and slightly compressed front fork / rearshock (regular riding position)

** measured 1/3 from seattube and 2/3 from headtube, fork and rearshock not compressed (static)

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Recommended Frame Size

Here you see a suggested frame size matching your step length. This is only a first clue. Please consult your specialist dealer and do a test drive.

Fit For Fun.

Even some motorbikes don't have as much torque (75Nm/55lb-ft) as the powerful Bosch Performance CX e-motor. Prestigious shift and brake components like these are usually found on high-quality mountain bikes. But its true potential is brought forward by the STEVENS add-ons - mainly the motor mounted in an angled position, super-low battery placement and sporty-but-comfortable seating position.

• Fast E-cross bike with low center of gravity and comfortable sitting position
• Bosch Performance Line CX system w/ 75 Nm torque and 500 Wh rechargeable battery
• Shimano Deore XT: 11-speed gears plus hydraulic disc brakes
• Innovative Bosch Kiox display
• Rotated motor interface w/ robust skid plate

500 Wh Battery

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QR15 Front Thru-Axle

Hydroforming

Tapered Steerer / Tapered Headtube

Triple Butted, Double Butted

Hydraulic Disc Brakes (Trekking)

This will decide success or failure of e-mobility. That's why STEVENS uses batteries with a huge 500 Watt-hour capacity in all its top-notch pedelecs for up to 215 km of range (according to the manufacturer, please refer to the Bosch range calculator for more exact results). This is possible even without a weight penalty: Compared to the old PowerPack 400, the new Bosch PowerPack 500 is just 100 grams heavier. This huge "fuel tank" is our premier recommendation for pedelec riders who don't shy away from the hilliest of itineraries.

"15" stands for the diameter in millimeters, "QR" for quick release. Combined they are the most useful method to fix the front wheel to the (suspension) fork. With convincing advantages: high stiffness, precise positioning of the brake disc and super-easy handling. So STEVENS specs almost all its mountain bikes and even high-quality trekking bikes, cross bikes and pedelecs with a thru-axle. Additionally, especially with 29" MTBs axle spacing is increased from 100 to 110 mm which makes the design even stiffer.

Using water or oil pressure aluminium tubes are transformed from their original round shape into their ideal shape determined by STEVENS engineers to perfectly withstand any load without any weight penalty. Riders of allround bikes and pedelecs will benefit from a better stability caused by hydroforming even when they are touring with heavy luggage.

Fork shaft (or steerer tube) and head tube are tapered, meaning their diameter increases from top to bottom resulting in a conical shape. The diameter needs to be bigger at the bottom since this is where higher stress is applied - especially when the bike has a higher total weight due to luggage or an e-drive and battery. Also tapered steerers feature a smoother force transfer (like forces caused by hard braking) to the downtube than forks with a continuous 1 1/8" diameter.

Meaning a frame tube has three or two different wall thicknesses along its length. Triple butted (TB) is the usual technology with STEVENS high-quality frames. Tubes with different wall thicknesses are optimally adjusted to certain ways of manufacturing or to withstand specific loads. Where the highest loads occur or where tubes are welded, walls are the thickest. Butted tubes allow frame weight to be lower by several hundred grams.

There is no more reliable brake system than hydraulic disc brakes - that is why we strongly advice everyone, who is riding their cross, trekking- or city bike 12 months a year to choose one of our models with the „DISC“ suffix. Brake power is easy to modulate and does not fade a bit in the wet. Also the brakes are almost maintenance-free. And your local STEVENS dealer will gladly explain to you what you need to take care of when removing and re-installing a wheel

• Axle: QR10x135
• Brake: IS disc
• Cable routing: internal
• Fender + rack mounts
• Travel: 63 mm
• Air suspension
• Tapered Steerer 1 1/8" - 1 1/2"
• Axle: QR15x100
• Brake: postmount disc 6"
• Upper bearing cup: ZS44/28.6
• Lower bearing cup: ZS55/40
• Hydraulic disc brake
• Rotor: SM-RT64
• Rotor size: 180/180 mm
• Center-Lock
• Continuous rated power: 250 W
• Max. torque: 75 Nm
• Capacity: 500 Wh/13.4 Ah
• Voltage: 36 V
• Technology: Li-Ion
• Since the range of a pedelec depends on many factors, we recommend the BOSCH Range Assistant . For more information on pedelecs and their ranges see our FAQ, the frequently asked questions .
• BB type: Bosch / ISIS
• RD-M8000-DGS
• Direct Mount
• Total capacity: 39 T
• Combination: 11-13-15-17-19-21-24-28-32-37-46 T
• HB-M7010 | FH-M7000
• ETRTO: 19 x 622
• Tire size: 42-622
• Addix compound
• Width: 660 mm
• Backsweep: 9°
• Rise: 25 mm
• Clamp: 31.8 mm
• Handlebar clamp: 31.8 mm
• Length: 320 mm
• Diameter: 30,9 mm
• Insertion depth: min. 100 mm
• SL-M8000-RAP2
• Bike incl. rider, clothing and luggage

* Values measured with rider on board and slightly compressed front fork / rearshock (regular riding position)

** measured 1/3 from seattube and 2/3 from headtube, fork and rearshock not compressed (static)

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Unsere einjährige Garantie deckt sowohl den Rahmen, den Akku, den Motor und die Elektronik deines E-Bikes ab. Wenn du in den ersten zwölf Monaten ein Problem mit einer dieser Komponenten hast, übernehmen wir die Reparatur deines Bikes, damit du so schnell wie möglich wieder fahren kannst.

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Best of Moscow by high speed train

By shuguley , February 15, 2014 in Regent Seven Seas Cruises

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Sure would appreciate someone who has taken "Best of Moscow by high speed train" from St. Petersburg could please share their impressions of this shore excursion. From the description this sounds like a very long day.

Wondering how the 4 hour train trip was in terms of accommodations, etc. Also what time did you leave the ship and what time at night did you return? Were both legs of the trip on the high speed rail (I read that slower trains also travel the same tracks)?

My wife and I are considering this excursion. We thought that if we are making all the effort to go to Russia then how could we pass up going to Moscow, walking in Red Square, seeing St. Basil, etc.

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If you are considering this on the 2015 June Baltic cruise on Voyager; my suggestion is don't. There is so much to do in St. Petersburg and although a train is one of my favorite ways to travel the time would be far better spent in St. P.

Thanks for the advice. Yes, this would be on the Voyager during the 2015 season but not yet sure exactly which cruise.

We did the Moscow excursion "on a different luxury line", but from your brief description it sounds very much like the same trip, so I will operate on that assumption. It is a VERY long day! We left the ship at 5:30 AM and returned at 12:30 AM. The highspeed train trip is comfortable, and while they call it "Business Class" it does not compare well to the equivalent class on say Rail Europe. When we did it in 2011, we did have highspeed both ways, and the trip back seemed much longer as the adrenaline and excitement had worn off!:D

Moscow itself is not that terribly different from any other big city in the world, but this Cold War kid never thought he would ever stand in Red Square, never mind walk the grounds of The Kremlin, or tour The Kremlin Palace, or see (but not visit) Lenin's Tomb, or visit The Armoury. But he did, and he loved every minute of it! Yes, it is a long day, and you barely scratch a scratch on the surface, but it is worth it. There is a tremendous amount to see in St. Petersburg, but every Baltic cruise goes to St. Petersburg, so you can go back if you choose to. Not every cruiseline offers you the chance to see Moscow.

I have not personally done this tour, but our last time in St Petersburg, the private guide that we hired for a day was leading the regent tour to Moscow on the high speed train the next day. He said it was way better than the previous alternative, which was flying to Moscow and back. He said that you actually got to Moscow faster because you didn't have to deal with airline checkin etc. it did seem like a very long day to me, and there is so much to see and do in st. Petersburg that I didn't consider doing it.

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We toured to Moscow from St. Petersburg via the hi-speed SAPSAN train last September, from a Baltic cruise on the Oceania Marina. You need to have a two-night, three day port call in St. Petersburg to take this tour because the tour typically leaves the ship around 5:00 - 5:30 AM and doesn't return until after midnight the next day. We didn't take the ship's tour; we made private arrangements with TravelAllRussia for three days of touring, the first and third days in St. Petersburg and the second day the tour to Moscow by train. Our cost for the private tour for three days was about the same as what the ship charged for the excursion to Moscow alone. There are a number of private tour agencies that operate in St. Petersburg and offer the Moscow train tours; we would strongly recommend them over the ship's tours.

All three days had private guides with car and driver. The second day, the driver picked us up at the ship and took us to the train, but we were alone on the train, and met in Moscow by the guide on the station platform. After our tour and dinner, we were brought back to the train and after the return train trip met by the driver and taken back to the ship. Because you are alone on the train you must have your own Russian visas.

If this is your first visit to St. Petersburg, I would agree there is much more to see there. We found Moscow somewhat a disappointment, particularly Red Square. The Kremlin and the cathedral in Red Square were also worth seeing. But the best thing we saw was the Moscow subway! I worked for the Washington Metro system back in the 1980s as it grew from 40 to 80 miles and although I was in the computer area, I learned a lot about the challenges of running a subway system. We used the Moscow system to get across the city from where we had dinner to the train station, and I was amazed at the cleanliness', speed of operation, the short headways maintained, and the courtesy of everyone involved. A very impressive experience!

We had been to St. Petersburg before, and so had the time to take a day and go to Moscow. Also, I really like trains, and the SAPSAN is a German train set running on Russian rails. Seats are like first class domestic air, spacious but not too plush or comfortable, but with enough room. Not too much recline, and almost 8 hours on the train in two shots is a lot for an old man. They come through and sell drinks, candy, etc. but the sellers don't speak English and no one around us helped, so we had just poor coffee once coming, and brought stuff with us for the trip back. Not too much to see from the train either, particularly on the return when it is night the whole way.

If you decide to go, take a private tour and avoid the overly expensive ship's tour. I'm glad we did it, but wouldn't bother to repeat the tour; we've seen Moscow.

Thanks so much to all of you for the thorough and thought insight. Yhe information you have provided is most helpful.

countflorida: Your detailed post is very helpful. We are not quite ready for a Baltic cruise but should do so within a year. Time enough to do our pre travel research, bookings and visa gathering.:) Thank you!

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Sure would appreciate someone who has taken "Best of Moscow by high speed train" from St. Petersburg could please share their impressions of this shore excursion. From the description this sounds like a very long day.   Wondering how the 4 hour train trip was in terms of accommodations, etc. Also what time did you leave the ship and what time at night did you return? Were both legs of the trip on the high speed rail (I read that slower trains also travel the same tracks)?   My wife and I are considering this excursion. We thought that if we are making all the effort to go to Russia then how could we pass up going to Moscow, walking in Red Square, seeing St. Basil, etc.

I did this on Seabourn. IMO DONT. Take Aeroflop (er Aeroflot). The train has non folding seats where you are literally knee to knee with your fellow passenger (facing each other). Further they don't believe in air conditioning. It's also the worlds slowed bullet train. I think I would have found more enjoyment wandering around the St. Petersburg and Moscow airports.

Countflorida,

This is a little off topic,, however we had planned a river cruise in Russia but decided we would rather stay on land and have booked about two weeks with Travel-All-Russia using the private guide and driver. I'm curious as to how you found them as a tour company.

The guides they provided were fine. We had a different guide each of the days in St. Petersburg, but both were flexible, pleasant, knowledgeable and spoke English very well, as did the guide in Moscow, incidentally. She was a bit aloof, distant, not too friendly, but otherwise fine. In fact, she was the one who suggested taking the Metro, which unexpectedly became one of the highlights of the Moscow excursion. If I have a complaint with AllTravelRussia, it is with their plan and its execution (more later).

I had requested emphasis on World War II (in Russia, the Great Patriotic War) sites and info. In scheduling us, they weren't careful about dates and a couple of the sites we wanted to see were scheduled on the third day, after we'd been to Moscow. But both sites were closed that day of the week, and that info was readily available, right on web sites describing them. Also, the included meals (lunches in St. Pete, dinner in Moscow) were not what we asked for: light meals with some choices, so we could avoid things we didn't like and choose things we did like. My request was ignored; we were given full Russian meals with a fixed menu, no choice. On the first day, a fish dish was the entre, but I am allergic to fish. Fortunately, I had the e-mail I'd sent with me and showed it to the guide, and she was able to change my entre to chicken, which was very good actually. But we didn't want a 3-4 course lunches or dinner (in Moscow). We had the guide drop the lunch the third day, although we never got any credit or refund. But, particularly in contrast to the ship's tours, the prices were so reasonable we didn't worry too much about it.

The people who were on the ship's tour to Moscow saw us boarding the same train for which they were forced to queue up and wait on the way back, and asked us what we had done. I was candid and open so they were not happy when I explained what we had arranged and particularly what it had cost. Also, when we returned to the ship, we found they had laid on a late supper for those who had gone to Moscow, so up we went and had something. Well, it turns out the late supper was supposed to be just for those on the ship's tour, but we and others on 'independent' tours, there were a dozen or more of us, crashed the party, actually got there first, and they didn't realize it until the larger group arrived and there weren't enough tables/places set. By that time, the 'independents' had all gotten served and were eating; what could they do?

A couple from the larger group sat down with us and asked us about our tour, and they were the ones I told about our arrangement and its cost. They turned to others who’d been with them and announced the details, loudly enough so the whole room heard, which started a lot of bitching and complaining. I gathered they weren't very happy with the ship's tour to begin with, and this was the straw that broke the camel's back. We finished up and beat it out of there, but overheard later that one of the excursion staff came to check on something and ran into a real mess. I caught a cold on the trip, which forced me to bed the second day following in Tallinn, so by the time we reappeared we heard about the contretemps' but apparently no one recalled who started it, thankfully.

Because of what happened to us, I would probably not use AllTravelRussia if I were to go again, or if I did, I would be sure to get confirmation of every detail of the tour. They do have good reviews generally, and we were certainly helped by their visa department and liked the guides and drivers. Their weakness, I say now with full 20:20 hindsight, is that once the sales person who plans the tour, sells it to you and collects your money, he (or she) transfers the plan to their Russia office for implementation; there is no follow-up to make sure it gets done right. And that is where our problems arose; we paid for a custom tour but got a standard package with a few destinations switched, and no one checked them out, even to see when they were open the day we were scheduled to go. If you check every detail that’s important to you, it should be OK, but that’s a hell of a way to have to do business, in my opinion.

Thank you for the 20/20 hindsight observation on your Russian tour operator, and better priced than the ship's excursion cost.

Thanks very much for the feedback.

We had the same experience as you so far as price. We originally booked a Viking Cruise but, hearing some things about the river cruises that made us unhappy, looked into other options. T-A-R cost the same or less than a cruise and had us in hotels for 11 days. We opted for the private tour. They have three tour levels, based on hotels. We originally opted for the four star as it did not cost much more than the three star hotels. Finally we decided to throw it all in and upgraded to five star. In Moscow we will be at the newly opened Kempinsky which is two blocks from Red Square. In St. Petersburg it is the Grand Hotel Europe, one of the most vaunted luxury hotels in Russia. Location is important for us as the tours use up only part of the day so being in the center of everything for our independent touring is important. As with many other cities, the less you pay, the farther out of the center of town you are.

We have been working with our salesman in D.C. and he seems to get back to us with the changes we want. He recently returned from Russia so is up on everything. When I asked they said they paid the full TA commission if I wanted so I got my usual TA on board so he is watching our back and giving us that extra level of comfort. He also set up our air, which I know pays him little or nothing, and got us business class for much less than T-A-R wanted for economy, though it took working for a while with a consolidator. He's happy to get his 10 percent on this trip without having booked it. He also took care of the trip insurance. We've been doing a lot of research on the CC sister site Trip Advisor and will write a report there. We will, I guess, become a source of info for CC members after having spent 5 days in Moscow and 6 in SP.

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Anybody considering a day trip to Moscow from St. Petersburg on the Sapsan may want to look at our travelogue filled with pictures.

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1927687

Very informative. Thanks dor sharing. Jeff

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