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STAR TREK BEYOND, from left: John Cho, as Sulu, Anton Yelchin, as Chekov, Karl Urban, as Doctor 'Bones' McCoy, Chris Pine as Captain James T. Kirk, Zachary Quinto, as Spock, Simon Pegg, as Scotty, 2016. ph: Kimberley French / © Paramount Pictures / Courtesy Everett Collection

A new “ Star Trek ” film is in the works at Paramount with “Andor’s” Toby Haynes on board to direct and Seth Grahame-Smith penning the script, Variety has confirmed.

While plot details are being kept under wraps, the upcoming feature will be an origin story that is set decades before 2009’s “Star Trek,” as well as an expansion of the “Star Trek” universe. J.J. Abrams’ Bad Robot is producing.

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During a Paramount Global investors day presentation in February of 2022, Abrams announced that a new “Star Trek” movie would begin shooting by the end of that year with the Pine-led crew. Pine and his co-stars reportedly had no idea Paramount was moving forward with another “Star Trek” film, which was eventually removed from the studio’s film slate in September of that year.

Haynes recently directed six episodes of the “Star Wars” series “Andor,” starring Diego Luna as the titular role. He also helmed the “Star Trek”-inspired episode of “Black Mirror,” titled “USS Callister.” Haynes is repped by WME and attorney Peter Nelson.

Grahame-Smith is best known as the author of the best-selling novels “Pride and Prejudice and Zombies” and “Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter.” He also wrote and produced 2017’s “The Lego Batman Movie.” Grahame-Smith is repped by WME and attorneys PJ Shapiro and Wendy Kirk.

Deadline was first to report the “Star Trek” news.

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The fourth installment of Star Trek’ s Kelvin Timeline may actually be happening. On Tuesday, Paramount executive Brian Robbins and producer J.J. Abrams made the announcement during Paramount’s investor’s event. The project would bring the crew of Abrams’ rebooted film franchise back together for the first time since 2016’s Star Trek Beyond .

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The project is one that has been both turbulent and long-rumored with previous false starts that have involved actors Chris Pine and Chris Hemsworth , along with Quentin Tarantino , S.J. Clarkson , Matt Shakman , and Noah Hawley . However, the official announcement may signal some breakthrough in negotiations that will finally allow the big screen USS Enterprise crew to fly once again.

If all goes according to plan, production on the new film would begin in late 2022 and will be due in theaters on December 22, 2023 .

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I couldn’t be more excited. I was really hoping they were not finished with the Kelvin timeline.

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I’m curious as to who will be cast as Chekov or how his role will be filled. Very much looking forward to this.

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I’d love to star in it

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I ‘m really not looking forward to it. I do love the actors though, they are really good in their roles, especially Karl Urban as Bones.

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'Star Trek' 4 In the Works With Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto & More Returning

The next installment in the sci-fi franchise is beginning to materialize.

The intrepid Starfleet crew are gearing up to venture into space once more as another installment in the Star Trek franchise begins to materialize.

On Tuesday, producer J.J. Abrams revealed the news that a fourth Star Trek film was in the works during the Paramount Investors Day Presentation.

Paramount is in talks with Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Zoe Saldana, John Cho, Karl Urban and Simon Pegg, to reprise their roles as, respectively, Kirk, Spock, Uhura, Sulu, Bones and Scotty.

"We are thrilled to say that we are hard at work on a new Star Trek film that will be shooting by the end of the year," Abrams said, according to Variety, adding that the movie "will be featuring our original cast and some new characters that I think are going to be really fun and exciting and help take Star Trek into areas that you’ve just never seen before."

The cast first came together -- along with the late Anton Yelchin as Chekov -- for the first time in 2009's Star Trek , which both reset the universe's continuity and, through time travel, blended the universes of the multiple Star Trek timelines.

The crew reassembled in 2013 for Star Trek Into Darkness , where they faced off against Benedict Cumberbatch's super-soldier assassin Khan, and for a third outing in 2016's Star Trek Beyond , where they matched wits and brawn with Idris Elba's ruthless warlord Krall.

Abrams told investors, "We’re thrilled about this film, we have a bunch of other stories that we’re talking about that we think will be really exciting, so can’t wait for you to see what we’re cooking up. But until then, live long and prosper."

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J.J. Abrams says the fourth Star Trek film "will be shooting by the end of the year" and "will be featuring our original cast and some new characters"

Will Chris Pine , Zachary Quinto , Zoe Saldana and the rest of the Star Trek cast be beaming back up to the USS Enterprise soon?

According to J.J. Abrams , who directed the 2009 reboot and its 2013 sequel, the "original cast" will be back for a fourth movie "that will be shooting by the end of the year," he said Tuesday at the Paramount Investors Day presentation, per Entertainment Weekly .

The team is "hard at work" on the movie that will include both the "original cast and some new characters that I think are going to be really fun and exciting and help take Star Trek into areas that you've just never seen before," said Abrams, 55.

"We're thrilled about this film," he added. "We have a bunch of other stories that we're talking about that we think will be really exciting, so can't wait for you to see what we're cooking up."

Abrams concluded with one of the famous lines from the series: "Until then, live long and prosper."

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Star Trek 4 will be directed by WandaVision 's Matt Shakman, after the first two movies were helmed by Abrams and the third, Star Trek Beyond , was directed by Justin Lin .

EW reports that the studio has not yet entered negotiations with Pine, 41, Quinto, 44, Saldana, 43, or many of the other original cast members, including John Cho , Simon Pegg and Karl Urban. ( Anton Yelchin , who appeared as Chekhov in the first three movies, died in 2016 .)

According to EW , an early draft of the script for Star Trek 4 was penned by Lindsey Beer and Geneva Robertson-Dworet, known for their work on Sierra Burgess Is a Loser and Captain Marvel , respectively.

The screenplay, by Avatar 2 's Josh Friedman and WandaVision 's Cameron Squires, will be based on Beer and Robertson-Dworet's.

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Fargo series creator Noah Hawley was previously announced as director for the fourth installment in the revamped franchise, in November 2019.

According to The Hollywood Reporter , Pine, Quinto and Saldana were expected to return to their roles of Jim Kirk, Spock and Nyota Uhura, respectively. (Reps for the three actors did not respond to PEOPLE's request for comment at the time.)

Quentin Tarantino previously expressed interested in writing and directing his own take on Star Trek — he previously pitched his Star Trek idea to Paramount — although his friend and Star Trek scribe Pegg, 52, joked that Tarantino's version wouldn't be " Pulp Fiction in space" in a 2018 interview.

In December 2019, Tarantino, 58, said he had "taken the pressure off" himself to make a Star Trek project his 10th and final film, noting to Consequence and Sound , "I think I'm steering away from [it] ."

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Star Trek 4 is getting the gang back together and production is due to start this year, Deadline reports.

Although no official deals have been made yet, Paramount is reportedly in talks with original cast members Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Simon Pegg, Karl Urban, Zoe Saldaña, and John Cho. They played Enterprise crew Kirk, Spock, Scotty, Bones, Uhura, and Sulu in 2009’s Star Trek and its two follow-ups, 2013’s Star Trek Into Darkness and 2016’s Star Trek Beyond .

Anton Yelchin, who played Chekov in the movies, passed away in 2016, just a month before Star Trek Beyond was released. Whether or not the character will be recast in Star Trek 4 has yet to be confirmed.

WandaVision director Matt Shakman is helming the movie – he’s also directed episodes of shows including Game of Thrones, Succession, Mad Men, and It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. J.J. Abrams , who directed the first two movies, is returning as a producer, and filming is due to start in late 2022. Josh Friedman, who co-wrote Avatar 2 with James Cameron , and Cameron Squires, who worked with Shakman on WandaVision, are on screenwriting duties.

Talk of a new Star Trek movie has been around for a while, with both Quentin Tarantino and Fargo showrunner Noah Hawley reported to be directing new installments – The Revenant screenwriter Mark L. Smith worked with the former to script the unmade movie.

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Paramount Pictures has revealed it would enter talks to bring back Pine for another sequel as Captain Kirk, alongside Zachary Quinto as Spock, Zoe Saldana as Uhura, Simon Pegg as Scotty, Karl Urban as Bones and John Cho as Sulu.

The news was reported on Tuesday (February 15) by Variety after producer JJ Abrams made a special announcement at the Paramount Investors Day Presentation.

Abrams said: "We are thrilled to say that we are hard at work on a new Star Trek film that will be shooting by the end of the year that will be featuring our original cast and some new characters that I think are going to be really fun and exciting and help take Star Trek into areas that you've just never seen before.

"We're thrilled about this film, we have a bunch of other stories that we're talking about that we think will be really exciting, so can't wait for you to see what we're cooking up. But until then, live long and prosper."

WandaVision 's Matt Shakman will direct. Abrams's return for a fourth movie was revealed last year, but it was not clear whether Pine and his trilogy co-stars would be a part of the next Star Trek instalment.

Talks had previously stalled for the main cast for a fourth film, with Paramount considering other stories from Quentin Tarantino and Noah Hawley in the interim.

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Seeing Marvel's success would make anyone question their franchise.

The Star Trek 4 reports caught a number of people off guard, as even Chris Pine and the rest of the cast were surprised . This is even more shocking considering that the cast was said to be in talks to return . Shortly after the news broke, Pine claimed they were the last to know about the latest installment. Now that the dust has settled somewhat, the Dungeons and Dragons actor is really opening up about the fourth film as well as how the franchise has struggled compared to Marvel.

The All the Old Knives actor was interviewed by Deadline and gave his take on being part of the storied sci-fi franchise. Just as co-star Karl Urban did when he broke his silence , Chris Pine confirmed that he hadn't seen a script yet. However, he did mention that he'd met with Star Trek 4 director Matt Shakman and Paramount’s new executive regime, with the meetings seemingly having gone well. Pine would go on to profess his love for the franchise in which he's played Captain James T. Kirk for three movies:

Conceptually, I love it. I love Star Trek. Again, I love the messaging of it. I love the character. I love my friends with whom I get to play. It’s a great gig. I mean, it’s a gig I’ve had, working and not working, for 15-plus years. It cemented the career that I have now. I’m honored to be a part of it. It’s given me so much. I think there are plenty of stories to tell in it. You know, I think Star Trek for me, it’s an interesting one.

The Star Trek Beyond actor definitely doesn’t mind expressing his gratitude to the high-grossing film series. While the Kelvin universe has grossed close to $1 billion worldwide, the returns were viewed as somewhat meager compared to the profits of the Marvel Cinematic Universe's multiple billion-dollar films. The Kirk actor spoke on how those benchmarks loomed over his own franchise:

We always tried to get the huge international market. It was always about making the billion dollars. It was always this billion-dollar mark because Marvel was making a billion. Billion, billion, billion. We struggled with it because Star Trek, for whatever reason, its core audience is rabid. Like rabid, as you know. To get these people that are interested that maybe are Star Wars fans or think Star Trek is not cool or whatever, proven to be … we’ve definitely done a good job of it but not the billion-dollar kind of job that they want.

Chris Pine seems to understand the Star Trek brand is a bit more niche compared to Disney staples like Marvel and Star Wars . Competing in the MCU era can be a huge undertaking for any studio, to be honest. Still, the actor appears pleased with how the Trek movies turned out. He later opined about how the franchise should’ve been more concerned with the avid fanbase than billion-dollar returns:

I’ve always thought that Star Trek should operate in the zone that is smaller. You know, it’s not a Marvel appeal. It’s like, let’s make the movie for the people that love this group of people, that love this story, that love Star Trek. Let’s make it for them and then, if people want to come to the party, great. But make it for a price and make it, so that if it makes a half-billion dollars, that’s really good.

Appealing more to the multi-generational fanbase may have been the better route for the Kelvin timeline films. Sure, it doesn't hurt to try to bring in new viewers but, in doing so, one runs the risk of alienating the core audience. The Wonder Woman actor took his thoughts a step further by explaining what he would do with the ballooning costs of tentpole films:

But we operate in a system now which I don’t know how much longer we have of you have to spend 500 million dollars on a film to reach …even you have to pay all sorts of people back. So, to make a billion, it’s like you haven’t even — a billion is the gross. You haven’t brought your net in. So, I mean, if I had my business suit on, that’s what I would do, but I don’t know where that is. That’s all above my pay grade.

The actor-producer has clearly put a lot of thought into how one could best market and finance such films. Of course, when it comes to the Trek franchise he's not making those decisions. Hopefully, Paramount will take care while developing this latest film and not get too caught up in the Marvel numbers.

It's unknown when the movie could start shooting, but Star Trek 4 is set to arrive in theaters on December 22, 2023, seven years after the release of Star Trek Beyond (which the new movie could learn from) . In the meantime, you can stream the first three films with an Amazon Prime subscription .

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Paramount is getting the Enterprise gang back together. No, not the 1960s series turned film series cast, but rather the cast of the J.J. Abrams relaunch that debuted in 2009 and went on to star in two subsequent movies.

Paramount executive Brian Robbins and producer Abrams made the announcement at Paramount’s investor event Tuesday, although details were not revealed. No deals are in place, but Paramount hopes that returning castmembers will include Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Simon Pegg, Karl Urban, Zoe Saldaña and John Cho, who have starred in three films, beginning with 2009’s Star Trek .

The announcement signals a breakthrough to relaunch Trek on the big screen. The studio has been trying to regroup the cast since at least in 2018, when negotiations with Pine and Chris Hemsworth, who had a small role in Abrams’ 2009 film, fell through . Since then, Paramount has tried to redevelop the project, with creatives such as Quentin Tarantino and Noah Hawley taking stabs at films that did not move forward. Pine also played Captain Kirk in Star Trek Into Darkness (2013) and Star Trek Beyond (2016), the last big-screen outing.

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J.J. Abrams Talks “Compelling” Story For ‘Star Trek 4’; Chris Pine Expresses Frustration Over Wait

| March 1, 2023 | By: TrekMovie.com Staff 130 comments so far

The saga of J.J. Abrams’ attempt to follow up Star Trek Beyond with another feature film at Paramount Pictures continues with the first comments from the producer himself since his high-profile announcement a year ago the project was moving forward.

Abrams still looking for a director

The update on the Star Trek movie comes from an Esquire Magazine profile primarily about Chris Pine, star of Paramount’s upcoming movie Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves . In between comments from Pine, interview Alex Pappademas dropped this clue from the Star Trek producer:

Pine and crew’s return to the screen was announced in February 2022; when I speak to producer J. J. Abrams by phone, the search for a director is ongoing. Abrams is elliptical about the film, even by J. J. Abrams standards. “I will say it’s the first time [since the original reboot] that we have a story that feels as compelling as the first one.”

Director Matt Shakman stepped away from the Star Trek project last August, recently citing issues with getting the Kelvin crew actors’ schedules aligned along with the opportunity to work on a Fantastic Four movie for Marvel, but the director said the project was still active at Paramount.

J.J. Abrams with 2009 Star Trek movie cast

Pine is frustrated

As for Captain Kirk, Chris Pine tells Esquire he is in the dark:

“I don’t know anything,” he says. Which is apparently pretty standard: “In Star Trek land, the actors are usually the last people to find out anything. I know costume designers that have read scripts before the actors.” Is it weird, I ask, to be the captain and know so little about what you’re signing on to? “I would say it’s frustrating,” Pine says. “It doesn’t really foster the greatest sense of partnership, but it’s how it’s always been. I love the character. I love the people. I love the franchise. But to try to change the system in which things are created—I just can’t do it. I don’t have the energy.”

One of the reasons it has been so hard for Paramount to follow up Beyond is due to the 2016 film not meeting studio expectations; it brought in $344 million, significantly less than the $467 million delivered by Star Trek Into Darkness in 2013. Pine addressed his concerns over the studio’s goal of trying to match mega-hits from other franchises:

“I’m not sure Star Trek was ever built to do that kind of business,” Pine says. “I always thought, Why aren’t we just appealing to this really rabid fan group and making the movie for a good price and going on our merry way, instead of trying to compete with the Marvels of the world?” He’d like to span more years as Kirk but wouldn’t be surprised if Beyond was the end of it. “After the last one came out and didn’t do the $1 billion that everybody wanted it to do, and then Anton”—Yelchin, who played Chekov—“passed away, I don’t know, it just seemed . . .” He pauses, looks out the window at the view Star Trek bought.

Chris Pine as Kirk with Anton Yelchin as Chekov and John Cho as Sulu in Star Trek Beyond

Matt Shakman, who helmed the Star Trek 4 project for over a year, recently said Paramount’s goal was to make another “large tentpole film,” noting it is expensive to make a sci-fi film, especially with the returning cast that includes stars like Chris Pine and Zoe Saldana.

For now, fans will continue to wait as we will soon pass the seven-year mark since Trek’s last time on the big screen, with no solid idea when it will be back.

Keep up with all the news on Star Trek 4 and upcoming Trek films at TrekMovie.com .

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‘a story that feels as compelling as the first one’

Maybe he means its involving time travel/alt reality, and legacy characters?

Bring back a baddie like Chris Plummer’s Kang, have a weapon that does “Rockem-Sockem Starships”, and have Kirk’s half-human/half-cat son up as a young terrorist with a heart of gold!

I just don’t understand why you’re not working in Hollywood as a writer or showrunner. You got skills.

You just answered your own question with that second sentence.

“Bring back a baddie like Chris Plummer’s Kang”

Kang was Michael Ansara.

Time travel, Alternate Universe, Trans Warp.. They slowly become a nice sweet poison. You know it kills you, but you can not Stop to like it

What i mean:

Time travel: With Section 31 and other Time travels so far in Star Trek (also the Movies), at some Space and Time you want to ask yourself what was first? The Chicken or the Egg?

Alternate Universe: Surprisingly it’s always the Terran Empire. What if the Vulcans did not separated and are the bad guys? Because it is Logical to eliminate the “cancer” of all Unworthy Lifeforms?

trans Warp: Wrath of Khan in the Kelvin Timeline Enterprise say it all. Why this Tool is to Omnipotent. Nearly the Same as the Spore Drive of Discovery

I find that worrying. He thought what Tarantino wanted to do was a good idea. He liked the Daddy Kirk transporter story. JJ is also the person who thought turning Luke Skywalker into a worthless maguffin was compelling.

I thought JJ had nothing to do with LAST JEDI, that he just trashed the odd-numbered ones? Not making excuses for him, I hate nearly all of the guy’s work — TFA is somewhat rewatchable — and think he managed to disimprove on Berman era, which is really saying something pretty nasty in my book.

JJ had nothing to do with Luke’s story in The Last Jedi. I know for a fact JJ didn’t understand why Rian Johnson made the character choices that he made… for any of the characters.

I feel for Pine- such a great actor, and really an enthusiastic creative person- and Bad Robot has strung them along with a series of false starts. I’m really skeptical of J.J. Abrams’ tenure at this point. He’s failed to get a feature off the ground for a few years now. And with Kurtzman’s shows gaining so much momentum, I wonder if the film division is looking at this 4th Kelvinverse movie as a fading prospect. Eventually, the studio is going to move on, and probably not too long from now.

Shakman the Betrayer

Why? Because he took another job when this one was stuck in development hell. I think the real issue is they can’t afford to pay the actors and keep the budget on par with the previous film.

The jokes on him — Fantastic Four…lol

They can keep the budget in line with previous films, but Beyond’s $185m is why it wasn’t profitable, it needs to be lower. But the actors are part of the reason they can’t keep the budget reasonable.

No, Paramount’s loss of two marketing executives during the period leading up to BEYOND is why the film failed. Internally this is the explanation that Paramount reached almost immmediately.

That makes sense!

Even Trekkies weren’t very excited about Beyond though. It felt like Insurrection did, a big budget episode. And I liked it. It’s the only JJ verse movie I like actually but it just had no real hook.

And another supervillain trying to take down the Federation is probably another reason no one really cared They can’t seem to come up with something new and fresh.

It’s def true that the letdown from STID probably played a role in Beyond’s disappointment. But do you really think that doing something fresh and new, a decade later, is going to lead to a $750m box office? No matter how good it looks, I think any new Trek film will struggle to reach that kind of blockbuster status.

The problem is like Pine says: they need to set their sights lower, and produce something on a more modest budget and just have fun with it. But I doubt he’d take a pay cut to do it.

We agree fully brother! 👍

I’m still shocked they are still trying (and trying and trying and trying) to even make another JJ verse movie at all. I think it’s going to make what Beyond did or even worse.

But they can still make a good movie at least. I don’t care about about JJ verse at all, especially now that Star Trek is back where it really belongs, on TV. But if it’s good I’ll definitely go see it.

But I agree I don’t think anyone really cares that much anymore. Hardcore fans will go see it of course but everyone else will just probably catch it on Paramount+ in a month, especially if it’s the same ole same ole like the last three.

As for Pine, this guy keeps saying they should make smaller movies but wasn’t he the same guy who walked when they tried to make his paycheck smaller too? 🤣

Yeah if you want to make smaller movies then you have to start where the budget inflates the most, usually starting with actor salaries. That’s also easier to control.

But Pine is just talk. Trust me, if they ever decide to call the guy again, his asking price will be the same as before and why there won’t be another movie.

Transformers films have flopped or did not make the money Paramount wanted before, they didn’t stop making Transformers movies. Same with MI 3 was a near bomb, they continue to make those. Its just Star Trek the studio doesn’t believe in. They are far more likely to greenlight more Bayturtles films than to make a Star Trek film.

Bro not a single aTF has flopped or lost money, no idea where you’re getting this? What movies are you talking about??

Bumblebee has made the least amount of money, but it was also the cheapest movie too at $130 million. And keep this in mind, it still made $150 million more than Beyond did with a much lower budget;😂

It basically made what STID made and much cheaper than that as well. How these JJ verse movies keeps getting made for the ridiculous money but no real profit to show, I will never understand it?

Ok I went and looked. Transformers: The Last Knight can be argued it bombed because it cost $250 million but it still made $600 million. So I don’t think that’s a bomb but it didn’t reach expectations either like Tiger2 explained in another thread. They probably assumed it would do a billion like the one before it and it didn’t.

But we know it wasn’t a real bomb because unlike Star Trek they made too more movies since, Bumblebee and the new one this summer. And they didn’t cancel 5 movies before they finally made Bumblebee like how bad the Trek movies have turned into a joke.

And I’m glad they finally moved on from Bay.

MI3 didn’t bomb though, it just didn’t reach expectations. And it made more than 2 out of the 3 Kelvin movies and much cheaper than 2 out of the 3 movies as well.

That’s why we got four more of those movies and Trek remains DOA

Those two marketing executives, what were their names and how exactly did their exit lead to the failure? Were they fired? Did they quit? Genuinely asking, i’ve not heard of this before.

But if Paramount is well aware that these two execs are the key to a successful Trek film, have they rehired them?

Wouldn’t that affect Paramount’s non-Star Trek products in a comparable way, though?

If they can cut $80 million like they should have from Beyond then they will probably get a greenlight.

They know the next movie could bomb again.

And the real irony is like that old saying, necessity being the mother of invention. I’d bet that if they slashed the budget, and writers were forced to be creative, they’d wind up with a better movie.

Isn’t that literally what happened with TWOK? 😉

After putting everyone to sleep with the mind blowing budget of TMP (I’ve seen it once 20 years ago, promise myself never to watch it again) they came back and did it better with TWOK with a third of the budget.

It doesn’t have to be that low but half makes sense or around $100 million. No one is going to give these fools over $150 million anyway. Not anymore! 😉

But TWOK would have cost way much more if it would have been the first movie, that means if it had been made instead of TMP.

LOL at people who feel fandom requires them to defend every thing and every one involved in Star Trek.

So annoying I agree. Almost as bad as the ones who are required to trash every thing and every one involved with current Star Trek.

Is that me? I didn’t realize finding it absurd to call a director for hire a “betrayer” because he walked from a project defending everything and everyone involved in Star Trek.

Huh. They had no cast signed on, no approved finished shooting script and no greenlight. Just a bunch of pr to try and get investors. Worse than JJ’s mystery box smoke and mirrors.

As compelling as the first one? I’d really hope he means considerably more compelling. Yea, that film sufficed because it had novelty value, but they need to do much better this time. And for my money the best one was Beyond anyway.

Beyond was the best, indeed!

Beyond was the ONLY compelling one. It was great. The 2009 film was fun, but generic, and Into Darkness was a pale ripoff of Wrath of Khan.

Agreed on Beyond; I have found things to appreciate about all of them, but Beyond is the only one I was truly enthusiastic for.

Oh, don’t get me wrong–I like all three. But the 2009 film was rather simplistic and Star Wars-y, and Into Darkness was derivative. Beyond was the first original story in that trilogy, and the only one I’d call “compelling.”

Into Darkness was paranoid conspiracy theory junk.

I agree — BEYOND was the only one of the Kelvinverse movies that I ultimately liked, in retrospect.

2009 was Star Wars remade as Star Trek, basically he remade A New Hope. Then he did it again with Force Awakens.

I’ll go so far as to say it is the only emotionally engaging one, that it at least felt right in several key moments. I saw it twice in the theater, which makes it the only Abrams-related project so viewed by me. It still has a big sag in midfilm and a protracted act 3 with all the peter pan chasing tinkerbell above yorktown stuff that had me drumming my fingers on the chair arm. Still, tons better than ID and no comparison with the utter waste of film that is the 09, which I think I’m going to start calling the Mythology-Deformer, since it tries and fails woefully to Joseph Campbell a property that already had its own unique mythology.

Loved Trek 2009. It’s by far the best of the three Kelvin movies.

I know it’s going to be a bad day when I find myself agreeing with you…

It had a lot of problems. But all three did.

Yep Beyond was the best, mostly because it felt like Star Trek and waaay less dumb than the first two.

STID was bad and dumb but the first one was actually way more dumb in so many ways but less bad of a movie, so I guess they are even. 😀🙄

Just make Tribbles the villain! Can you imagine that trailer? Easy $1bn box office gross.

In all seriousness, Trek 2009 was a good origin story. But a HUGE mistake was made with ST:ID and the Kelvin film series has never recovered from it. I can see why they went with Khan as the villain for the 2nd movie, but the John Harrison thing was a massive blunder. Kelvin-Khan needed to show less head squishing, and more of that superior intellect, to be an intimidating villain.

Failing to use the Borg as a villain in the 3rd one is puzzling. Surely space-cyborgs done right would pull in a decent non-trek audience. You could literally have had a modified (better) version of Beyond.

Idris Elba as the Borg King (Edison first to be assimilated, then assimilated the Franklin crew).

The drone ships being actual Borg drones invading the E and assimilating crew, even as the E is being ripped apart.

The clear threat to Yorktown/Federation.

Spock wondering if he is more like the Borg than human in light of his break up with Uhura/thoughts on continuing friendship with Kirk.

Kirk’s fear of losing his individuality if he stays in his role as a Captain, or accepts Admiral’s position. Questioning his Starfleet future.

Jaylah seeing her family being assimilated/fear of Borg. Having to fight her borgified father/brother instead of random henchman.

Artefact from the beginning of the movie was a hidden Omega particle. Borg King wants it to perfect the collective and power his planned assimilation of the Federation. Ent-Crew activate it in climax destroying the borg and (an assimilated) Yorktown.

Ent Crew escape Yorktown/Omega detonation in barely completed Yorktown starship (designated ENT-A at end of movie).

I remember some rumours about the Borg being in Beyond even with the trailers out (twist would end up being Krall and his army are the borg). If they want some marvel box office (AntMan box office at least) they could do worse than bring in the borg .and even have them from the Prime timeline (to create a trendy multiverse link).

Apparently, Jonathan Frakes is interested… I doubt Bad Robot has/will ask him to though.

I don’t know that Frakes would be the guy to direct a potential $200mm film. A film that big is a massive undertaking.

These films shouldn’t cost $200 million though. Creative artists and producers can find a way to make magic out of a budget of half that. A $120 million film doing $300 million at the box office reads as a success story.

Depends how Picard Season 3 succeed, Perhaps he would be to busy for the Movie :)

“I would say it’s frustrating,” Pine says. “It doesn’t really foster the greatest sense of partnership, but it’s how it’s always been. I love the character. I love the people. I love the franchise. But to try to change the system in which things are created—I just can’t do it. I don’t have the energy.”

Yeah, Nimoy and Shatner, had much more pull in TOS movies than this.

The interviewer noting that “Abrams is elliptical about the film, even by J. J. Abrams standards .” just screams volumes about why Pine is frustrated. Anyone in Bad Robot’s orbit just talks in circles all the time. All the talent potentially involved with Trek XIV has moved on, because they are in demand, and you can’t work when all a potential project gives you is double, or elliptical talk.

They moved on because these movies don’t make real money. If the last three movies made what the Transformers movies did more would’ve stuck around.

There is a reason why Michael Bay did five TF movies and Abrams bailed after the second Kelvin movie. One made hand over fist in profits, the other one just broke even or bombed.

Like why doesn’t Abrams just direct this one then? Isn’t it weird how the guy who started these movies in the first place and has less to do these days since WB has turned down practically every TV show or movie the pitched for DC doesn’t seem to have any interest to do it?

Here’s the opportunity to step in and direct the next one once Shakman left just like he stepped in to direct Episode 9 when Colin Trevorrow left. Here is the chance for history to repeat itself. But that’s not happening, I wonder why?

Probably because either they can’t afford the guy anymore or it’s not enough potential money for a backend deal Abrams to do it like he made with Star Wars.

There could be a third reason and after making huge stinkers like STID and TROS they don’t want him near this either. But we know Hollywood doesn’t care about making quality stuff, only money. It’s why Bay made five Transformers movies in the first place. 🙄

So it’s probably just a money issue.

Star Trek Beyond was so boring, the other films were very disapointing overall but not boring as such, but Star Trek beyond just felt…boring, and it had the scale of a very expensive TV movie to me. They have soooo much potential with the Kelvin crew, each film has had moments of brilliance, true “Trek” moments, but they are just moments lost in a big budget mess of a dumbed down movie series. I dont know what to say, the last 20 years of Star Trek has been awful it really has struggled in the 21st Century, I include Nemesis and ENT in that and I am fans of both.

The real life tragedy of 9/11 disproved Star Trek ‘s thesis once and for all. That’s why everything we see now is either a pastiche of the 60s version or a gritty “update” with the label of Star Trek stretched over underlit Blade Runner ripoff schlock.

I’m not exactly sure what “thesis” 09/11 disproved once and for all, so I think that probably overstates it some. But there is no question that the classical Trek value of depicting a positive, rational future has been pretty devalued, and at this juncture is pretty out of touch with the culture. Plenty was going wrong in the world when TOS and its spinoffs were on the air — wars, assassinations, crime, environmental calamities, etc. — but there was also a sense that the world could be different, and the one thing liberals and conservatives alike took for granted was that there was at least a fair chance that their children would have it better than they did, as had been the case for every generation after the postwar boom. That, unfortunately, is no longer the case. So I’ll repeat the question I’ve been asking since the Picard season premiere: if Star Trek no longer exists to portray a more hopeful future than you can get in other genre offerings, what exactly is it for?

Spoken like an old, disillusioned liberal…and I get that, because I am one of those too!

I say that because I do see a lot of positive young people today who do have a better vision for the future. And for them, yes, we need more positive Star Trek — like what see see on SNW, Prodigy and DSC, for the most part, not like what we are getting on Picard Into Darkness and Cynical Decks, for the most part.

To turn a profit for Paramount in order to cover losses in Viacom’s larger portfolio.

I used to think that if Trek could convey optimism while on the air in 1968 — a year when it seemed the balloon went up (or is it down?) on world madness — that it would probably survive tough times again with the proper stewardship.

But the last few years (or the last 30 odd years if you want to go back to when I got seriously concerned about the environment in addition to all the other Big Things) have really provoked equal measures despair and rage in me, and a Pollyanna future barely works even as escapism. Older Trek still works for me because it is protected against my cynicism by its preexistence in a memory bubble of my youth, but honestly, the TREK that remains relevant for me is mainly the darker DS9 stuff: PAST TENSE nails things decades ahead of time, s31 shows what it needs to about governments and IN THE PALE MOONLIGHT is prid near perfect.

Sorry to pee on the wedding cake, but that’s my two cents. Now I got to go back to editing my PICARD article, which is quadruple the length it is supposed to be. (Too bad startrek.com and the newest version of the TREK magazine never respond to my inquiries, because I could keep them well-fed with just my leftovers.)

…there is no question that the classical Trek value of depicting a positive, rational future has been pretty devalued, and at this juncture is pretty out of touch with the culture. Plenty was going wrong in the world when TOS and its spinoffs were on the air — wars, assassinations, crime, environmental calamities, etc. — but there was also a sense that the world could be different…

This is a fascinating discussion. I’m not *not* convinced, but I’m not convinced, either. :)

TOS premiered in 1966 — that’s just over 20 years after V-E day, longer than the time that has passed between 9/11 and today.

If TOS could credibly portray an optimistic future a mere 20 years after the Holocaust, and indeed a mere 40 years after the Great War, I’m not sure why 9/11 precludes modern Trek from doing so as well.

I’d throw out the following hypotheses:

1. The issue is not so much 9/11 or other world events, but *domestic* politics — after Watergate, the loss of confidence in domestic institutions, and the US government to “do the right thing,” made it harder to believe in a future with a robust, stable, morally positive polity like the Federation. In the early 1960, people believed in the righteousness of Western democracy. Watergate changed that, and although that crisis of confidence receded in the 1980s and immediate post-Cold War period (uncoincidentally, the time when TNG was made), it came back with a vengeance in the new century after the Great Recession. Just *why* it came back is a huge question for political scientists.

2. Roddenberry and his cohort were not just garden-variety Hollywood producers — they served in the war, and then as a civilian commercial pilot with PanAm. Say what you will about him, but he believed in that future despite lived experience that showed how hard it would be to achieve. JJ’s lived experience is what, Hasty Pudding?

This is a fascinating (sorry) conversation to have. I think the parallel I would make is that in the mid 60’s, the nation was dealing with the existential dread of the A bomb constantly looming over them. If embracing space socialism meant not having the bomb dropped on themselves, that was something to look forward to! Now, the clear existential threats hanging over us constantly are not just the bomb, but also the wealth gap, a charred environment with the slimmest of chances of turning around, an economy that has pivoted to the exact opposite of socialism that we have healthcare from Amazon (owned by the richest person on the planet). The hopeful optimism of TOS Trek (which I still unabashedly love and show to my child) is not applicable. SNW did a radical thing (in my opinion) right off the bat in the pilot episode by showing familiar images to us 21st century rubes and pairing them with fabricated images of WWIII to show that it will get worse, much worse before it gets better. It shows us that we will pay for our follies but that we may still be resolute if we rely on each other to solve issues.

The nice thing about current Trek isn’t that all the programming is solid (spoiler, it isn’t) but that each show gives different people different views through which to help understand our humanity. Having trouble coping with trauma? There’s Discovery. Need a kids show that portrays a diverse group of kids working together? There’s Prodigy. Need a show about dealing with multiple midlife neurosis? There’s Picard. Want the old feeling of episodic cowboys in space? There’s Strange New Worlds. Need a good laugh while wallowing in the warm blanket that is 24th century LCARS and uniforms? There’s Lower Decks.

I didn’t mean to make this a defense of the franchise as a whole and sorry if I derailed the thread a bit, but I am one of the most cynical people I know and having a son that I am mostly convinced will grow up in a capitalist hellscape makes me reach for any amount of hope I can. I usually find writing and thinking about Trek gives me that so I think they’re still abiding by the original mantra set forth in the 1960’s. At least for me.

I find it very courageous that you even had a kid given that viewpoint. I knew that I couldn’t ever live with myself if I brought a kid into the world, given the way I saw the world as far back as the mid-70s when I was a teen. I spent a couple decades waiting for a vasectomy procedure to become free before finally shelling out for it myself. My wife and I always and only wanted to adopt, but never came across any situation where we’d qualify financially.

There’s a little core of gushy optimism in nearly all cynics, and Trek really used to tap that expertly with me. But that was another century …

For me Star Trek has been awful with Enterprise and only got worse JJ verse (but I thought all those were better than Nemesis at least) and more awful with Discovery and Picard.

Now I like more of that today. Really came to like Enterprise once I watched it and I did like Beyond but yeah it is on the boring side but a quality film. Picard is finally feeling like Star Trek to me this season but I said the same thing about the first two seasons after the first few episodes only to turn into huge stinkers, so not jumping the gun yet

But it’s sad I have been mostly unfulfilled since Voyager went off the air until very recently when LDS, SNW and PRO showed up. And I know some fans are still mixed on those shows too. But I am enjoying it more personally today, it just sucks it took this long.

Can’t be too compelling if no one is ponying up the money to make it, and the studio is waffling on starting it.

Even if the story was the most compelling thing ever conceived, this is a commercial business and the studio’s overriding concern is whether the pic would make money. The Kelvin films’ track record at the box office is pretty spotty. It ST films made bank, we wouldn’t be talking about when the fourth film is going to be released. We’d be eagerly anticipating the seventh .

Untrue. Film studios don’t make monetary decisions based on how compelling something is.

You’re splitting hairs on semantics there. Whatever the process is for evaluating a potential project, if compelling is one of the adjectives used to describe it, then they’ll make their decision accordingly. Outside of JJ talking it up, no one seems to be in a rush to make this movie (we’re assuming this story even exists). No one else seems too….compelled….by it.

Abrams wouldn’t know compelling if it hit him in the head.

If finding a director is the issue, why not JJ himself?

It would be erroneous to assume Abrahm’s isn’t busy.

JONATHAN FRAKES has been saying all along he’d direct a JJ ‘Trek film ….. what’s stopping Paramount (and JJ) from asking him, if they’re ONLY waiting to find a director?

Another candidate I would put forward from Star Trek is Olatunde, perhaps my favorite Trek director right now.

The problem with Olatunde is that he doesn’t know what a tripod is. Hand held camera works for action scenes, but when two people are talking and having a quiet moment he still has the camera bouncing around. It’s jarring and constantly pulls me out of the story.

Jesus Christ, no. All that guy knows how to do is spin a camera.

What’s stopping Paramount? Maybe no script. No story. No investors. Clearly, no budget. And Frakes waffles just a bit on directing, as well. Seems he does have other projects going on.

Yeah…all of this! 🤣

Simple answer. He doesn’t want to.

Because JJ will want a huge paycheck which will prevent it from being made on a reasonable budget. Trek was never a passion project for him, it was a job.

It was supposed to be a cash cow, with him wanting TPTB to suppress all other merchandise so that Kelvingear would have a wide-open road. When that didn’t happen, he probably washed at least one of his hands of it for good. And I’m more than fine with it going down that way.

I thought the 2009 film was great, which has re-watch value for me to this day. As does Beyond, which was very good except for pretty much wasting the talents of Idris Elba. As for STID, if it were a newspaper, I wouldn’t even deem to line my birdcage with it.

Overall, I find Abrams/Bad Robot to be very overrated. And please, stop using Beastie Boys songs in Trek movies.

Sooner or later Paramount will make this with the Kelvin crew! Its all about budget how little or how much they want to spend but in 2009 they went big & got approx $1.5b out of the franchise with 3 films. They just need to go big again relaunch the Kelvin crew with another mega budget JJ production with lens flare searing out of every frame & even JJ himself directing perhaps!

As crazy as that sounds, I think you’re right

Otherwise no point making another Trek movie the setup costs for new ship & crew are too high! Give the Kelvin one last adventure I think will do big box office & get a few more movies with this cast!

Makes no sense. A. They already have to make a new ship since they destroyed the last one lol. B. You think it will cost more to hire a new actor than it would to keep Zoe Saldana around who has already been in three of these and can command even more money now since her last three movies were Infinity War, Endgame and Avatar 2? Bro all those movies made more money in a single weekend than Beyond made total. 🤣🤣

What are you talking about??! New actors would be way less money unless they are Tom Cruise or Matt Damon replacing them lol.

They probably should fire the cast and just hire Cruise to do it and the next movie might actually make money.

I don’t get the lens flare or Apple bridge; SNW did that all much better with a smaller budget. I’d use the SNW bridge sets, ships just go with that’s the Kelvin “movie era” or restore the timeline or something along those lines. Go full motion picture era with Carol Marcus, Saavik, etc but something totally different like trying to stop a civilization from triggering a Higgs collapse at a supermassive black hole and go totally new with the 1701 ending up on some cross-galaxy expedition to stop it before everything (including the prime timeline) is doomed. Try to combine TMP with TWOK in some LOTR type adventure, something that should be possible but has never truly been done.

That’s not bad, something a little along the lines of what John Black pitched as a feature back in the 70s.

I always want to say that a small but successful Trek feature would be the way to go, but small, even if profitable, doesn’t often leave a mark that spurs more interest (look at Karl Urban’s DREDD — no followup and it has been over a decade I think.)

Is there just a whiff of sarcasm here?

Bro the last one bombed! No one cared about it but Trekkies and that was 3 years after STID. Now I don’t even think even a lot of Trekkies care about these movies anymore which means the next movie can bomb harder than Beyond did it the budget is too high again.

Why else has there been no movie after 7 years? It’s just money. Either they still don’t have enough to make a movie or they don’t think it will make enough. That’s all it is. If Beyond made a billion dollars, the next one would’ve been made years ago with an even bigger budget.

But instead it flopped, people aren’t dying to give the next movie more money because they will probably flop too. On top of that the cast can now ask for whatever they want not being under contract anymore and why no one has called Chris Pine. 🤣

I get why he’s complaining, but he’s also part of the problem. If they could make another big movie like Beyond they would just make the movie by now. It’s been 7 years! 😜

Pine should direct ST4. Obviously! They just need to ask him.

I just read the VF story. I don’t think that’s something Pine is interested in doing.

I like Chris Pine because, unlike pretty much everyone else involved with Trek, he’s not a hype machine. He’s an honest and thoughtful person.

One big problem is that the cast is now VERY expensive and that defeats the purpose of trying to make a film on a modest budget.

Well, perhaps the State of the Art now with Greenscreen and Monitor walling could reduce some Budget. But Today you need more CGI as in the Past and i bet many Star Trek “Pipeline CGI Artists” have their hand full with TV Series and such

But well, perhaps they can hunt for Ex-Game High Qualify Animators. They are trowing some of them out, because of saving Money. Same Ships but different Decks. could work

Go back to the TOS movie sequel model. Limit the number of space and transporter and ship shots to 150 cuts, not 1500.

And I find it terribly ironic that Pine is pushing for a lower budget. “Ok, Chris, we found a way to make it for $90m. You just have to do it for a $1m salary.” Crickets…

Quinto, Cho and Urban are doing TV shows. How pricey could they be? These guys aren’t Tom Holland or The Rock.

Semi-warm take: Pine is right. Trek films are never gonna make Marvel levels of money. Paramount would do well to disabuse themselves that they are.

Anyone in their right mind agrees!

I feel like Paramount is stalling and waiting for the clock to run out on JJ’s Kelvin Trek. It seems like it is going to be very close to a decade since Beyond before anything new is back in theaters.

With the Prime timeline of Star Trek flourishing on P+, how long will any interest in the unrelated and dormant Kelvin Trek last?

There are many questioning (including Paramount perhaps?) that the streaming series are flourishing, as you contend.

Who are the “many questioning” other than trolls here in the chat room? The streaming series objectively are flourishing as they are at the forefront of everything that Paramount+ publicizes.

Lots of people like those youtubers who have been yelling at the sky that Kurtzman is going to be fired ANY DAY NOW because new Star Trek is a failure, viewership is in the toilet, and Nick Meyer has ALREADY signed on to replace him! Haven’t you heard????

One can hope Trellium G.

2009 is the only Kelvin movie I could get my family to watch, and it convinced them to stick with the prime timeline. I can’t see myself going to a theatre to watch one alone.

I notice in hindsight that Paramount stuck JJ with making the announcement of the fourth movie launch window to investors…a deadline he’s failing to meet.

The fact that Abrams himself now seems to feel compelled to keep the hype alive suggests he’s not in a position of strength.

And why would he be?

His tentpole projects are not doing well.

Star Trek 4 should be about Kirk traveling back in time to save his father (aka Chris Hemsworth). In the process he sacrifices the Enterprise and dies dramatically but manages to restore the timeline. This erases the Kelvin alternate universe and puts everything back in place. It wound be a nice closure and ends the way the whole movie series started.

Of course the Alternative Universe is separate from the main universe so nothing needs fixing.

I’d direct it and I’d do it for 100.000 to 200,000. But I’m not really all that experienced with big budget films. Still to work on a Trek film is a dream of mine. I’ll do whatever the current prenise they got is though and not fight then. I will push it to be better of course. If anyone there at Paramount wants to contact me we can talk about it. Not that I expect them to from a post on this forum.

To summarise: I don’t feel like I need anymore of this crew. It’s too late. That era is closed for me. The series franchise is way ahead and currently way more interesting. I’m talking about SNW and any new post-TNG era series.

I feel bad for Pine, Quinto, Saldana, Urban, etc. These actors are constantly asked about a follow-up film. I don’t personally care about the Kelvin timeline … I would rather Paramount pour any money for the Trek film franchise into Kurtzman’s coffers.

A surefire way to generate the most comments in the least amount of time is to post an article on ST 4.

Maybe JJ Abrams should direct it. I mean he probably has enough pull left with the studio to actually get the movie made. Though i still believe the 4th movie as real as George Lucas sequel Star Wars trilogy. As in its not getting made.

After “Rise of Skywalker,” I’d prefer Abrams never direct anything else ever again.

I could be devil’s advocate and say he had to course correct after Last Jedi, but i won’t because JJ never had a plan. If only he had bothered to outline, and figured out who Rey was and had an actual arc for Luke. All he did was remake A New Hope. There were some interesting ideas i liked Rey as a scavenger and the idea of Finn as a renegade former stromtrooper turned Jedi. But it never went anywhere. The least interesting to me was Kylo as the new Vader. Why did Luke search for the first Jedi temple, why was there a map. A bunch of mystery boxes. And Last Jedi didn’t answer them. Also JJ making Rey a Palpatine i also found incredibly disappointing.

JJ was handed an impossible task with that film, and I guarantee he didn’t even want to do it. But they wanted his name attached, and probably thought that if anyone could clean up that mess it could be him, and backed up a brinks truck to convince him.

The real question is why they didn’t just contract him for all three in the first place, so there could be at the very least one clean story, win or lose.

Pine is frankly right. And I’m not even a fan. Trek was never going to pull in Marvel money and they should spend less on the movie and expect modest returns. As many of the TOS era movies showed us, You can make classic timeless movies on a limited budget if you Just Stick To the STORY!

“I always thought, Why aren’t we just appealing to this really rabid fan group and making the movie for a good price and going on our merry way, instead of trying to compete with the Marvels of the world?” At least Sad Robot did a decent job casting Kirk because that Pine guy is also smarter than the admirals.

Just feed ChatGTP with all those attempted scripts and ideas for ST4 (and the rejected for ST3) and we might get a story…

Chris Pine nailed it on the head. It goes to show you that the actual artists and creators understand the real potential and niche this franchise holds. It’s the number crunchers at the top trying to squeeze every damn penny out of us that create issues. Good on Pine for allowing his frustration to boil over. A combination of passion for the material and being self aware enough to know he’s ready to move on if it’s just going to cause frustration.

I’m of the opinion that the movie franchise needs a new “showrunner”, because it really demands someone’s undivided attention, and I mean no slight to JJ Abrams when I say his undivided attention is a rare commodity.

Is anyone even looking for a fourth movie at this point?

If pine wants the film made on a tighter budget he could have helped by accepting a lesser fee.

I’m hoping Star Trek 4 is base on TOS “Assignment: Earth” and TOS “Tomorrow is Yesterday” together. It would make a super Star Trek movie.

A better formula for success is to stop trying to recast old characters with new actors. Just invent new characters and tell new stories with those guys.

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STAR TREK 4 Names New Writer for ‘Final Chapter’ of Series

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For a while there, it certainly seemed like we would never get a Star Trek 4 . But in February of 2022, another Star Trek film was announced. Since then, though, we haven’t heard very much about the progress of the potential fourth movie that would reunite Chris Pine , Zachary Quinto , Zoe Saldana, Karl Urban , and more. And updates, both good and bad, have been slight. Still, it looks like the fourth Star Trek film remains in the works, even though some recent comments about it were not wholly positive. The latest piece of news on it even names a writer for the movie. Here’s everything we know about the progress of a possible Star Trek 4 movie.

The Latest Updates on Star Trek 4 : A New Writer Emerges

Variety has revealed that Star Trek 4 officially has a new writer onboard. Steve Yockey, the co-creator of Max’s series The Flight Attendant, will now pen the next (and last) movie in this version of Star Trek ‘s world.

Recently, Variety also reported that “the fourth installment of the rebooted ‘ Star Trek ‘ film series remains in development, with the studio describing it as the ‘final chapter.'” We guess that’s good news. But we’ll wait for something a little more concrete to celebrate properly.

Chris Pine on the Status of Star Trek 4

But if Star Trek 4 is still alive, Captain Kirk doesn’t seem to know. Recently, Chris Pine spoke about Star Trek 4 , but he didn’t really have much to say. When chatting to Comicbook.com , Pine was asked about any updates about the movie. Pine responded, “Not that I know of.” And when asked if Pine had potentially read any Star Trek 4 scripts, he responded very plainly with “No, of course not.” Hopefully, he’ll hear about it soon, now that a new writer is involved.

While that doesn’t inspire much hope in the status of the movie, Lindsey Anderson Beer, who was initially involved in the writing of the Star Trek 4 script, noted to Collider in September of 2023 that the project was still moving forward. She shared, “It is, it’s still on the tracks. I love that project, and it was another one that I had to hop off of to direct this movie, and that was a hard thing to do. But I love that everybody involved with that project.”

The Initial News About Another Trek Movie

These updates come a few years after the initial burst of news we received about Star Trek 4 . According to Deadline ‘s February 2022 article, negotiations were underway with the intent to bring back all of the mainstays in the rebooted franchise. That includes getting Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Zoe Saldana, Karl Urban, John Cho, and Simon Pegg to return for Star Trek 4 . It was just one of the many major developments to arise out of the ViacomCBS Investor Day call in 2022. J.J. Abrams appeared on the call, confirming the reports that the fourth movie was a go.

WandaVision ‘s Matt Shakman was originally on tap to direct Star Trek 4 but has since bowed out of the project. We will wait and see who may replace him. Josh Friedman and Cameron Squires were slated to write the script at the time. According to Deadline, their version is based on a script from Lindsey Beer and Geneva Robertson-Dworet. Now, of course, Steve Yockey has come aboard. Depending on how it goes, this film might have a lot of credited scribes.

Star Trek 4 ‘s Plot

Naturally, other details about Star Trek 4 remained under wraps, including the plot. It’s been a turbulent last several years for Star Trek 4 . Back in 2018, plans for another film with the cast stalled, reportedly after Chris Pine and Chris Hemsworth, who played George Kirk in the 2009 reboot, walked away over pay disputes. But Hemsworth later told Variety he wasn’t completely on board with the script.

Over the last several years, several people, from Noah Hawley to Quentin Tarantino, have tossed around ideas for a Star Trek film. (The Once Upon a Time in Hollywood writer-director really wanted to make the first R-rated Star Trek project. Mark L. Smith, who wrote The Revenant , even wrote a draft.)

Still, though, many, including John Cho , held out hope that the fourth film in the rebooted franchise would eventually happen and that the Enterprise crew would get back together—save one very important cast member.

Anton Yelchin , who played Chekov in the first three films, sadly passed away in 2016. Abrams confirmed at the time that the role would not be recast. He told the Toronto Sun , “I would say there’s no replacing him. There’s no recasting. I can’t possibly imagine that, and I think Anton deserves better.” We’d imagine this sentiment remains in place. And we can’t wait to see how they pay tribute to the late actor.

Where We Stand with Star Trek 4 Right Now

For now , Paramount has removed Star Trek 4 from its release schedule. And that’s about all we know for sure. One way or the other, we’ll be keeping our eyes peeled for more Star Trek 4 developments and any glimpse of Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, and the rest.

Originally published on June 8, 2022.

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Chris pine reveals j.j. abrams’ biggest star trek captain kirk direction: “less shatner”.

Chris Pine dipped into the deep well of William Shatnerisms as Captain Kirk in Star Trek until director J.J. Abrams pulled him back.

Chris Pine admits needing to tone down his William Shatner-style acting in Star Trek (2009) to make the role his own.
J.J. Abrams directed Pine to embody Captain Kirk with "less Shatner" to avoid mimicking the original actor too closely.
Pine acknowledges the challenge of balancing homage to William Shatner's Kirk while also bringing his own flair to the character.

Chris Pine reveals J.J. Abrams' biggest direction when filming Star Trek (2009) was "less Shatner." Pine took over the role of Captain James T. Kirk in Abrams' rebooted Star Trek movie trilogy, which includes 2013's Star Trek Into Darkness and 2016's Star Trek Beyond . To play Kirk, Pine researched William Shatner's iconic performances as the original Captain Kirk, and he may have adopted too many "Shatnerisms" at the onset of Star Trek (2009).

Chris Pine appeared on NPR's Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me! podcast to promote Poolman , a new film he wrote and directed. Host Peter Sagal asked Pine about playing Captain Kirk in J.J. Abrams' Star Trek , and how much of his performance was based on William Shatner's . Read Pine's response and listen to the podcast (Pine joins around the 20-minute mark) below:

I think the biggest correction that J.J. [Abrams] ever had for me was ‘less Shatner.’ Because it’s so deliciously fun. I mean, anything from how he sits in the chair to how he does a double take. There are many… the Shatnerisms are long and deep, and they’re beautiful. They’re beautifully crafted.

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Chris pine made captain kirk his own, but will he return in star trek 4, pine is waiting to play kirk again.

With J.J. Abrams reining in Chris Pine's "Shatnerisms", the actor evoked William Shatner's essence in his performance while making the role of Captain James T. Kirk his own. Pine embodied Kirk's youth, vitality, and daring, balancing his mistakes and recklessness with incredible acts of heroism. But Pine's version of Captain Kirk also matured throughout J.J. Abrams' Star Trek movies ; in Star Trek Beyond, Pine's Kirk was more seasoned and commanding as the Captain of the Enterprise.

The next Star Trek movie is an untitled Star Trek Origin Paramount officially announced will hit theaters in 2025.

Along with the rest of the Star Trek cast , Chris Pine has been waiting for the chance to play Captain Kirk again. Nearly a decade after Star Trek Beyond hit theaters, Paramount Pictures is mounting new Star Trek movies. Star Trek 4 now has a new screenwriter in Steve Yockey ( The Flight Attendant ), and this next prospective sequel is looked at as the "final chapter" of the Starship Enterprise led by Pine's Captain Kirk . Since Captain Kirk would now be in his 40s in Star Trek 4 , it will be fascinating to see how Chris Pine plays him and whether he will lean into any William Shatnerisms.

Source: NPR's Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me! podcast

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Star Trek’s J.J. Abrams Advised Chris Pine to Be ‘Less Shatner’ While Portraying James T. Kirk

Chris Pine reflects on playing James T. Kirk in the latest Star Trek movies, and the actor acknowledges those wonderful "Shatnerisms."

J.J. Abrams advised Chris Pine to embody "less Shatner" when portraying James T. Kirk in the big-screen reboot of Star Trek.
Pine starred as Captain Kirk in all three reboot films; he says the franchise feels "cursed."
A new Star Trek movie is part of Paramount's "intent," according to Roddenberry Entertainment's C.O.O.

“Less Shatner.” Those two little words encompassed the advice filmmaker J.J. Abrams had for Chris Pine when the two collaborated on the big-screen reboot of the Star Trek franchise, which began in 2009. Pine was tasked with picking up the enormous mantle of the iconic character, James T. Kirk, who was portrayed brilliantly by William Shatner from 1966 until 1994. Pine said in an interview during his appearance on the Wait Wait… Don’t Tell Me podcast:

“I think the biggest correction that J.J. [Abrams] ever had for me was ‘less Shatner.’ Because it’s so deliciously fun. I mean, anything from how he sits in the chair to how he does a double take. There are many… the Shatnerisms are long and deep, and they’re beautiful. They’re beautifully crafted.”

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Pine starred as James T. Kirk in all three of the reboot films, which began with Star Trek (2009) and was followed up by the sequels Star Trek Into Darkness and Star Trek Beyond . Abrams directed the first two movies, but he turned the director’s chair over to Justin Lin for the third installment. And nearly eight years have passed since Star Trek Beyond , and Star Trek 4 has still yet to warp speed into movie theaters.

Chris Pine Believes the Star Trek Franchise Is 'Cursed'

While J.J Abrams’ 2009 reboot certainly isn’t the best of the Star Trek films, both critics and audiences alike enjoyed the U.S.S. Enterprise’s encounter with the rogue Romulan Nero (Eric Bana), which featured the return of Leonard Nimoy as the original Mr. Spock. Abrams’ new vision of the sci-fi phenomenon also made $385.7 million worldwide (per Box Office Mojo ). So, a sequel was inevitable. And in the summer of 2013, Kirk and crew faced off against Khan (Benedict Cumberbatch) in Star Trek Into Darkness .

Star Trek Into Darkness made even more money ($467.4 million) than Star Trek (2009) did globally, but 2016’s Star Trek Beyond didn’t fare as well as its predecessors ($343.5 million), and the reboot series has been in limbo ever since. Co-star Zoe Saldaña (Lt. Uhura) still has hope that Star Trek 4 will come to fruition. But when it comes to the Star Trek franchise, Pine “feels like it’s cursed,” according to an interview he did with Esquire in 2023.

Star Trek 4: Plot, Cast, Release Date, and Everything Else We Know

In March of this year, the C.O.O./President of Development for Roddenberry Entertainment, Trevor Roth, said “there is a plan” for a new Star Trek movie. Roth elaborated on the possibility in the same interview conducted at the SXSW film festival:

“I am not able to say much, but I can say that it is Paramount's intent to figure out the Star Trek side of movies and what's going on there. There's every intent of a new movie coming out in the very near future. There's a lot of secrecy around what's going to happen there. But there is a plan getting into place. And we're very excited to see it return to the big screen.”

Most recently, Pine wrote and directed his first feature film, Poolman. Pine also stars alongside Danny DeVito in the comedic mystery, which opens exclusively in theaters on May 10. And fans can watch the Poolman trailer right now.

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Star Trek 4 release date estimate and latest news
The expected Star Trek 4 cast list: Chris Pine as Captain James T. Kirk; Zachary Quinto as Spock; Zoe Saldaña as Nyota Uhura; Simon Pegg as Montgomery Scott; ... No, Quentin Tarantino isn't making Star Trek 4. However, it's true that Tarantino did express interest in making a Star Trek movie. Allegedly, he wanted to make a big screen ...
"Of Course Not": Chris Pine Update Shuts Down Star Trek 4 Return
Chris Pine gives a curt update that shuts down whether there are plans for him to return as Captain James T. Kirk in Star Trek 4.The fourth Star Trek film produced by J.J. Abrams has been in development hell for several years. High-profile filmmakers like Quentin Tarantino, Noah Hawley, S.J. Clarkson, and Matt Shakman have been attached to direct Star Trek 4, but they all left due to "creative ...
STAR TREK 4 Names New Writer for 'Final Chapter' of Series
A fourth Star Trek film from the rebooted cast is on the way. J.J. Abrams confirmed Chris Pine and more are in negotiations for Star Trek 4.
Chris Pine Reveals J.J. Abrams' Biggest Star Trek Captain Kirk
Along with the rest of the Star Trek cast, Chris Pine has been waiting for the chance to play Captain Kirk again.Nearly a decade after Star Trek Beyond hit theaters, Paramount Pictures is mounting new Star Trek movies.Star Trek 4 now has a new screenwriter in Steve Yockey (The Flight Attendant), and this next prospective sequel is looked at as the "final chapter" of the Starship Enterprise led ...
Star Trek's J.J. Abrams Advised Chris Pine to Be 'Less ...
J.J. Abrams advised Chris Pine to embody "less Shatner" when portraying James T. Kirk in the big-screen reboot of Star Trek.; Pine starred as Captain Kirk in all three reboot films; he says the ...
"It was like they had just told me I'd made $50 million": Chris Pine's
The movie that seemingly changed his life overnight was none other than the Anne Hathaway-led sequel from 2004 to the original fan-beloved masterpiece from 2001, ... Star Trek 4: Chris Pine, ...
Chris Pine: "Rough" Fan Encounter Made Me Realize "I'm not ...
Chris Pine Finds His Poolman Role Most Relatable Yet!. In his latest cinematic venture called Poolman, Chris Pine is pulling out all the stops.Not content with just acting, he's taken the reins as writer and director too this time around. The trailer gives fans a glimpse of Pine's character, Darren Barrenman, a humble pool attendant in the heart of Los Angeles who suddenly finds himself ...
Chris Pine reflects on directorial debut Poolman being ...
Chris Pine has acknowledged that his directorial debut Poolman was "obliterated" by critics when it premiered last year. The Star Trek actor stars alongside Annette Bening and Danny DeVito in his ...
Chris Pine reveals the role that changed his life
At the time of the casting, Pine's finances were ruinous and it was "absolutely earth-shattering" for the actor to star in a big movie. If he wasn't cast in Princess Diaries 2, chances are that he wouldn't have been able to be in future films such as Star Trek and Don't Worry Darling. "I had an overdraft on my bank account.
Chris Pine reflects on directorial debut Poolman being ...
The Star Trek actor stars alongside Annette Bening and Danny DeVito in his first feature, which follows a pool cleaner in Los Angeles who uncovers a water heist. Critics were not kind to Poolman ...