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A Tourist's Guide to Love cast: who's who in the romantic movie

A Tourist’s Guide to Love cast is led by Rachael Leigh Cook. But who else is in the romantic movie?

A Tourist’s Guide to Love is a romantic movie that follows a woman named Amanda, who heads to Vietnam where she's on a mission to decide whether her travel agency should purchase a smaller outpost there.

But, while there, she finds herself becoming interested in Sinh (Scott Ly), a tour guide 

The Netflix movie is partly based on screenwriter Eirene Tran Donohue’s real-life experiences: She told Tudum : "This idea was based off of the time in my life when, right after college, my safe stable boyfriend unexpectedly broke up with me right as I was about to leave for a five-week trip to Vietnam.

"While I was in Vietnam I realized that that relationship, which was a good one, wasn't actually the best fit for me."

Rachael Leigh Cook as Amanda

Amanda Riley is an American visiting Vietnam who finds herself in an international love triangle while she's there trying to make business decisions, leading to an unexpected romance overseas.

She's played by Rachael Leigh Cook who has starred in The Baby-Sitters Club ,  Love, Guaranteed , 11:14 , and  He’s All That .

Scott Ly as Sinh

Sinh is Amanda’s tour guide in Vietnam, who she develops a connection with during her time there, something that takes them both by surprise!

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This marks Scott Ly’s first major film role, after years of appearing on television. Fans might recognize him from Criminal Minds , The Young and the Restless , Animal Kingdom , and FBI: Most Wanted.

Ben Feldman as John

John was Amanda’s boyfriend of five years until he moves to Ohio and the couple break up. He's the third part of this complicated love triangle.

Fans might recognize him from TV comedies like  Superstore  and  Silicon Valley. He also starred in the found footage movie Cloverfield and horror hit Friday the 13th .

Missi Pyle as Mona

Mona is Amanda’s business partner and longtime friend, so she's a trusted figure when it comes to her professional and love life.

Missi Pyle is known for her work in Galaxy Quest, Bringing Down the House, Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story, and Tim Burton's Charlie and the Chocolate Factory .

Quinn Trúc Trần as Anh

Anh is Sinh’s cousin and tour guide co-host so she has a key role in the movie.

Actress Quinn Trúc Trần is a Vietnamese-Australian actor and  A Tourist’s Guide to Love  is her second project. Fans may recognize her from My Mr. Wife.

Nsưt Lê Thiện as Ba Noi

Ba Noi is Sinh and Anh’s grandmother and provides a lot of the movie's comic relief, according to Tudum!

Actress Nsưt Lê Thiện has also starred in Goodbye Mother , Until You , The Emperor’s Gift , and Blood Moon Party.

Who else is in A Tourist's Guide to Love?

• Jacqueline Correa
• Andrew Barth Feldman
• Morgan Dudley
• Glynn Sweet
• Alexa Povah

A Tourist's Guide to Love is out now on Netflix.

Lucy joined the WhatToWatch.com team in 2021, where she writes series guides for must-watch programmes, reviews and the latest TV news. Originally from Northumberland, she graduated from Oxford Brookes University with a degree in Film Studies and moved to London to begin a career writing about entertainment.

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Work brings an American travel executive to Vietnam, where a free-spirited tour guide helps open her eyes to a beautifully adventurous way of life.

Genre: Romance

Original Language: English

Director: Steven K. Tsuchida

Producer: Rachael Leigh Cook , Joel S. Rice

Writer: Eirene Donohue

Release Date (Streaming): Apr 21, 2023

Runtime: 1h 34m

Distributor: Netflix

Production Co: Radius Squared Media Group, Cook and Muse Entertainment, Muse Entertainment LLC, Head First Productions

Cast & Crew

Rachael Leigh Cook

Amanda Riley

Ben Feldman

Andrew Barth Feldman

Nondumiso Tembe

Morgan Dudley

Glynn Sweet

Brian Conway

Steven K. Tsuchida

Eirene Donohue

Screenwriter

Joel S. Rice

Executive Producer

Lydia Storie

Cinematographer

Lauren Connelly

Film Editing

Jina Hyojin An

Original Music

Shirley Song

Do Trong An

Production Design

Valerie Halverson

Costume Design

Heidi Levitt

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8 Movies for Tour Operators and Tour Guides

We’ve written about books , and we’ve written about podcasts , so it only makes sense that we take a look into movies for tour operators and tour guides. One thing that not many people know about the team at Tourism Tiger, is that we love to watch series and movies. Accordingly, it only makes sense that we put together a list of movies that feature tours and guides in a variety of formats.

When it comes to movies about travel, most people automatically think Eat, Pray, Love . But we’ve gone deeper finding takeaways from a variety of movies that focus on, or include a part specifically about tours. So sit back, relax and enjoy as you indulge in some…”business research”.

1- My Life in Ruins (2019)

A recently laid-off professor finds herself working as a tour guide. Having lost her passion for Greek history and culture, it negatively affects her disposition as well as her tours (opens in a new tab) . She comes to learn the importance of balancing the informative and the fun.

What we can learn from it:

Guides face a lot of pressure to be perfect at all times, and to continuously offer the perfect experience. But guides, like the people on their tours, are people after all. Being called boring is tough to hear , but as an operator if your guide possesses skill and potential, work with them so that they can offer an improved experience, which in turns benefits you. . Again, it’s important to read your group, they’re made up of a variety of personalities (opens in a new tab) , but people still go on a tour to have an enjoyable experience, otherwise they could simply read the guide book on their own.

2- The Breakup (2006)

Vince Vaughn’s character plays a tour bus operator/guide whose personal life takes a turn for the worse as he finds himself living with his recently broken up ex-girlfriend.

Let your guests know the experience they can expect from the very beginning, if your tours are all about having fun and a good laugh, then highlight this! The perfect tour maintains the right balance of fun and information no matter if you offer a walking tour or outdoor tour, people want to know your insights and experiences. Additionally, as challenging as it is, remember to maintain a work-life balance. A successful business requires a well-working and respectful relationship between guides, owners, and remember that bookkeeping is always important too. (opens in a new tab) Also, keep in mind the extra challenges that come from working with your family members.

3- Monte Carlo (2011)

A trio of young travellers (opens in a new tab) head to Paris for their vacation, only to be extremely disappointed by the misleading advertising and overall poor quality of the tour. Luckily for them what follows leads them on a whole other “on-in-the-movies-esque” adventure.

A tour can both make and break a vacation experience, so don’t let your tour be the reason someone looks back on their vacation with less than fond memories. Be sure to have a system in place to keep track of your guests throughout the tour, so as to not accidentally lose a guest or even worse, leave someone behind. While these travellers ended up having a whirlwind experience that made up for the initial mishaps, in the real (non-cinematic) world this would have been a much more dire situation on many levels.

4- Murder Mystery (2019)

While the majority of this movie centers around an all-too-real murder mystery, the reason why the principle characters find themselves in this predicament is that they are immediately turned off by the tour they booked. It goes to show how a poor tour experience can have a much larger impact (for better or worse as is the case in the film). Interesting to note that Jennifer Aniston made it into two movies on the list.

First impressions matter– a lot! Whether it’s your tour vehicle, the number of people,  or the general atmosphere you present — these factors will either secure your customers confidence in the experience they are about to have or create a sense of doubt and regret. Also, be sure to be as prepared as you can for the unpredictable including the proper type of insurance. (opens in a new tab) Lastly, be open to feedback throughout the tour process, including criticisms so that you can look to improve the remainder of the experience and apply any necessary changes for future tours.

5- Pee-Wee’s Big Adventure (1985)

Arguably a cult-classic, this quirky and eccentric film follows the title character on his cross-country journey to recover his stolen bike. Notably along the way he makes a stop at the Alamo where he takes a tour, which although only accounts for just a few minutes of the film, it manages to provide many teachable moments.

Don’t force your guests to hold all of their questions to the end. While you can finish your point, allow multiple opportunities for questions, so that guests don’t forget their question or lose interest in asking while waiting. It’s also essential to read the crowd and adapt accordingly in order to ensure that guests are enjoying the experience throughout and to avoid the dreaded unexpected negative review. Additionally remember to be conscious and considerate when discussing other cultures and we definitely recommend that guides do not chew gum while giving a tour, as it’s both distracting and arguably unprofessional. Lastly, don’t laugh at guest questions, instead turn such a situation into a positive learning experience.

6- If It’s Tuesday, This Must Be Belgium (1969)

A charming British tour guide takes a group of American tourists on a multi-day tour around Europe. Along the way there’s many sights to see, romance, complaints, and lots of laughs.

Tour guides wear many different hats during the tour process, and this is only amplified when it comes to multi-day tours (opens in a new tab) . Timeliness is crucial, there’s not much of a worst first impression you can make than showing up late for the tour. Consider the balance between showing travellers sites, but also allowing them the time to actually enjoy them rather than always feel rushed. Losing your guest is never acceptable, so in addition to regularly checking all attendees are present, have other fail-safe measures in place so that one doesn’t accidentally end up on the wrong bus in another country. When it comes to providing an authentic experience, give travellers an opportunity to taste local flavors. Be prepared for when disaster strikes such as your vehicle gets a flat tire (opens in a new tab) . Lastly, when it comes to debonair tour guides, always lead with professionalism.

7- Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (1971)  and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (2005)

(depending on if you prefer the classic or modern adaptation)

You may not have been expecting to see this one on the list, but as you’ll remember the whole tour centers around a guided tour by Willy Wonka himself of his infamous candy factory. Along the way there’s a tug of war because of the fantastical location and the arguably over-curious tour takers.

As an operator and a guide, you have every right to set your own rules and regulations when it comes to cancellation or rebooking fees, safety requirements or any other protocols during the actual tour. And for those who do not respect these points, there are consequences (reminding customers about the guidelines, directing them towards your terms & conditions or cancellation policy, and if necessary removing them from a tour. Similarly, as a guide, you’ll be faced with challenging customers (opens in a new tab) but it’s your responsibility to maintain control of the situation and not let one (or more) troublesome guests negatively affect the experience of your other guests. Best to avoid the specific tactics that the tour guests were exposed to in the film such as chocolate rivers.

8- The Cruise (1998)

This documentary will definitely not be to everyone’s taste, but it is certainly the top recommendation on this list. This philosophical existential take on being a guide in New York City is simply mesmerizing. Throughout the documentary, you’ll likely be left wondering if this is a genuine representation of Timothy or some sort of caricature. At a minimum you’ll be impressed by his grandiose monologues interweaving history, popular culture, and a banal interjection as they pass by a department store. What else could you possibly expect from a guide who sites Willy Wonka as one of his inspirations.

Guide personality matters, and people appreciate it. Guides should be their authentic selves no matter how quirky. But moreso, one should never underestimate the difference that passion can make when it comes to a memorable tour experience. A love for one’s destination is simply unrivalled.

Bonus: How to incorporate movie and TV fun into your tour offerings

People love movies and the magic that they encompass. No matter where in the world your tour is located, movie locations and filming locations make for a great tour stop or mention. Allow your guests the chance to snap a pic in the iconic spot and feel part of their favorite film or series. Otherwise, depending on your location, what about considering a movie and television theme tour as its own offering? If you’re looking to add some movie extravagance to your website, get in touch with us today. (opens in a new tab) Or if you’d like to get people excited with a movie-themed blog we can help you with that too! (opens in a new tab)

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2023 ‘믿을 수 있는 사람’ Directed by Kwak Eun-mi

Making use of her Chinese that she had picked up while living in China, Han-young obtains her tour guide-interpreter's license and starts working as a guide in Korea. She gets used to her new surroundings and gains good results at work. However, she is forced to face challenges and changes as she loses touch with her brother In-hyuk, and the number of Chinese tourists decreases due to political tension between Korean and China.

Lee Sul Oh Gyeong-hwa Park Se-hyun Jeon Bong-seok Lee Noah Woo Jeong-won

Director Director

Kwak Eun-mi

Executive Producer Exec. Producer

Joh Keun-shik

Writer Writer

Editor editor.

Choi Hyun-sook

Cinematography Cinematography

Choi Young-ki

Korean Academy of Film Arts

South Korea

Primary language, spoken languages.

Chinese Korean

Alternative Titles

믿을 수 있는 사람, 北良領導, 脫離心方向

Releases by Date

03 apr 2023, 28 apr 2023, 21 oct 2023, 19 nov 2023, 18 oct 2023, releases by country.

• Premiere Hong Kong Asian Film Festival
• Premiere Florence Korean Film Festival
• Premiere 12 Jeonju International Film Festival
• Theatrical 12
• Premiere Taipei Golden Horse Film Festival

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Review by Pierce Conran ★★★

A TOUR GUIDE, the story of a North Korean defector who has relocated to Seoul, where she works hard as a tour guide for Chinese tourists, has the typical polish and thematic clarity of other KAFA (Korean Academy of Film Arts) feature projects. But it also never rises above its individually meaningful and worthy components. It lacks staying power and emotional impact.

JEONJU 2023 RANKED (ranked)

Review by ronkao ★

最後兩顆鏡頭才有得分。

Review by FerryGodgo

VIFF #11 “Let’s forget and move on” 🇬🇧 ENGLISH Kwak Eun-mi debuts with "A Tourist Guide," a film that is at a crossroads between its potential and its execution. While the film delves into deep themes such as the struggle for opportunity, the insufferable pressure of immigrant expectations, and the insidious erosion of identity, it remains trapped in superficiality, failing to delve deeper.

Eun-mi presents scenarios and relationships that should be crucial to developing the narrative. However, characters that could have been emotional and narrative mainstays enter and exit the scene with disconcerting ease. The protagonist's mother, her brother, the girl who teaches her Chinese - all seem to vanish before they can take root in the story, leaving a void…

Review by kwanwwwck ★★

係人都知移民嘅困難，套戲只係重複講返次。導演睇睇同國嘅朴贊郁《JSA》或者中國嘅王全安《團圓》如何不賣慘及不煽情又講好兩地矛盾

Review by ytingl ★★★½

美女配回家宣言，很有說服力

這部片在我的前三名推薦連我自己都很意外，因為嚴格來說它不是一部非常有「鋒芒」的電影，不過度也不造作、中規中矩的劇本，卻是少見的、不訴諸悲壯苦情、越過邊界困難種種，以女性脫北者為主角的故事。

畫面是臺灣觀眾熟悉的「韓劇」質感，精巧流暢，卻銳利地從經濟面切入，開宗明義就告訴眼前觀眾，主角脫北來到於此「就是想賺錢」（雖然我也因此幾度擔心女主角哪時候會去犯罪）

「城內的人想出來，城外的人想進去」 ，本片能夠看見主角在南韓經濟獨立的困境、身分界定的模糊和她對於故土親人的懷念與操心，脫離心方向也同時描繪了一系列的女性群像，不論是想逃出來的、想回家去的，還有終究認清兩個政權南北兩邊都不會是自己歸屬的角色。

它非常漂亮，但越漂亮溫暖就越使觀者能與主角共感，看見生存的冷冽：當眼前沒有戰爭也沒有邊界，卻有無處不在的藩籬與想像中的落差 — 這何嘗不是一種淒涼。

從個體映照出的家國，脫離心方向處理得克制，但同時它也手腳輕巧地表示了，主角其實覺得「我們都是韓國人」「我們是同類人，為何我值得這樣的對待」跟「希望統一那天的能夠到來，這裡也將成為我的家」，這樣放在主流意社會來看顯得格格不入的政治意見。

電影讓苦苦在體制中求生的女主角，自然而然地道出自己的嚮往，也凸顯了脫北者在南韓社會中的邊緣地位與突兀位置，將他們視為投奔自由政體的宣傳工具，卻同時也是政府特別「關切」的頭痛人物、改造目標？

這些小橋段都安靜工整的埋藏在電影中，由南韓出生、完全未接觸過脫北者背景的導演所拍，於我而言，脫離心方向劇情總體來說雖沒有太大的高潮起伏，卻是成熟且經過編排的劇本，田調用心，節奏穩定。

此外我被女主角一場頭尾呼應的舞蹈動作大大說服，那是十分身體直覺性的習慣，畢竟用身體記得的事情是沒辦法被假裝、被忘記、被竄改的；因為那就是她，她的文化，她的根，她的家，甚至大到可以是她的國。女主角讓政權的分裂主義、敵對狀態都顯得荒謬又愚癡，雖然大一統宣言在亞洲早已不時興也不受歡迎，但本片就是這麼有力漂亮，喜歡。

要說我小小不滿意的地方就是…片名取得太老套了…有些親情橋段不太必要，呈現手法換一下就會更好🫶

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Review by infero ★★

1.5。韓文片名是「你可以信任的人」。題材不差，擴展了韓國影視中的「脫北者」形象範疇，沒有被商業片化甚至動作片化的超凡體能（如《極速快遞》，乃至一堆打不死的朝鮮族⋯《北逃》、《國境之南》的類型片化），抑或走入某種藝術片的強鬱悶傾向（如《茂山日記》），也不那麼涉入政治層面（如金東元，或者比較拉回的《歸北者》），而是平實地聚焦少數族群的生存困境，交代女主角為賺錢奔波，為家人打拚，卻因不被信任而困擾。

其職業是服務中國團客的導遊，作為韓國文化的「代言者」，卻又不被視為韓國人；理應是引路者（也是脫北之於家中弟妹），也確有明確目標（開場面試說想發大財，被笑很誠實），卻始終不那麼得其門而入：未察覺與發揮自己介於韓中之間的優勢，想模仿「韓國人」來融入，但終究不成功，或者表面上成功（業績got），但仍有深層的信任問題，抑或對此一目標投下疑惑。

這段緩慢鋪陳的受挫->覺醒與成長，再置於國際政治背景下強化困境（薩德建置前後的中國抵制）。後段的成長，一方面針對作為「姐姐」照顧全家的代「母職」束縛，同為脫北者的女性朋友將移民德國，勸她「Isn’t it about time living for yourself?」；另一方面則是之於浪漫愛的反高潮（韓國官方派來的男watcher〔前面強調not protector, not surveillance〕，看臉就知會想玩這招），在聖誕夜從摸小手小鹿亂撞到遭發卡。結尾在機場，在淺焦鏡頭中，從有焦前景走入失焦彼方（並帶微微仰角）作收。

總之，定位有，可想像在韓國獲肯定，但拍攝實在乏善可陳（也是一個在全洲世界首映的KAFA作品），閃回段落尤其不行。那些不OK的臨演中文表演，或許對於韓國人或其他地方觀眾還好，但確實讓我的觀感持續下探。

-原來首爾的景福宮，居然比紫禁城還早！

-電影院那段，背景有尹汝貞的The Bacchus Lady的海報。

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中規中矩的脫北者故事（in South Korea Vision），「心之所向」引導的離鄉／追尋團圓之旅，導遊的設定很刻意，中國與韓國的連結和對映沒有很必要，脫北者的狀態模擬不太足夠，但女主角演得確實是挺不錯的。

《脫離心方向A Tour Guide》(2023) dir: 郭恩美Kwak Eun-Mi

韓國近年的片多頗有往議題方面靠攏之趨勢，即使將其情節類型化，也多半難以脫離各類關乎種族、階級，或是道德兩難的批判。前幾年紅極一時的《寄生上流》如此，這幾年如《噤聲海鷗》探討老年性侵、《熔爐》探討弱勢性暴力，再到去年奈派克《私密背叛》探討性影像外流等等亦如是，不難發覺無論電影自身的客群定位是商業片，或是更為小眾的片，多多少少皆有此一傾向。《脫離心方向》基本上亦屬於此一題材脈絡當中的一小章節，郭恩美將鏡頭凝視的對象指向了因應當代南北韓的特殊政治情勢所誕生的一群「脫北者」——亦即透過任何管道離開了北韓，到中國、南韓生活的北韓人民。但敘事模式上並未透過將其動作、類型化來使情節變得更為殊勝，而是選擇更為平淡、日常化的鏡頭來聚焦這些脫北者：從工作、親人，甚至是情感關係上，那種是韓國人，卻又不是那麼「韓國人」者的困境。 對《脫離心方向》這部片而言，裡頭的困境並不只是生活的，更具備高強度的身分政治關聯，脫北者的身分帶來的不只是工作的困難，也帶來了一種內建性的敵／我國的身分危機，以及其所導向的信任問題。但導演並未選擇直接面對這群人在國內的身分問題，而是透過主角的「導遊」身分設定，來帶出韓國—中國的文化壁壘，以及「觀光」所帶來的交流與衝擊，由這種外於身分的問題，去鏡像出更為內置於自我身分的關係。 自然這些安排種種以後設的視野來看不免有些工整與刻意，拍攝執行上也因為其生活與瑣碎化的節奏而看來有些脫沓，但其所鋪陳的心境轉換仍頗能服人，一邊是為了工作與生存，而採取的卑屈姿態；一邊卻是一個女性需要作為引路人（大約也就是英文片名A Tour Guide的由來），卻犧牲的家庭關係、生活與親密。結尾的那顆鏡頭，大約是整部片最跳脫，無關敘事的鏡頭，卻在種種緩慢壓力成形之下，而使得觀眾得以感受與理解其所作出的任何選擇。 總體而言，《脫離心方向》許多方面的執行其實很難不脫去一種「南韓視角下的脫北者」的觀點，包括對中國遊客、脫北者以及過去片段中的各類人，都會使人有一種導演為了描繪自己理想的原型，而犧牲了其他人物立體性的問題，若是其描述的對象身在其中，更難不感受到那種刻板印象操弄而造就的不適感。可就其定位而言，這部片仍然是定位明確，且發展方向明朗的一部片，作為導演長片首作雖稱不上是一鳴驚人，但敘事上仍舊頗為完整，未來可期。

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Film 292 "23 #ATourGuide solid debut & script from Kwak Eun Mi. Having seen Lee Sul recently on Thunderbird it was a nice seeing her here NK defector story. Asks all the questions but the staying power of the quiet moments of reflection & life planning adds more to this narrative.

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How Tesla Planted the Seeds for Its Own Potential Downfall

Elon musk’s factory in china saved his company and made him ultrarich. now, it may backfire..

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From “The New York Times,” I’m Katrin Bennhold. This is “The Daily.”

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Today, the story of how China gave Tesla a lifeline that saved the company — and how that lifeline has now given China the tools to beat Tesla at its own game. My colleague, Mara Hvistendahl, explains.

It’s Tuesday, April 9.

So, Mara, you’ve spent the past four months investigating Elon Musk and his ties to China through his company, Tesla. Tell us why.

Well, a lot of American companies are heavily invested in China, but Tesla’s kind of special. As my colleagues and I started talking to sources, we realized that many people felt that China played a crucial role in rescuing the company at a critical moment when it was on the brink of failure and that China helps account for Tesla’s success, for making it the most valuable car company in the world today, and for making Elon Musk ultra rich.

That’s super intriguing. So maybe take us back to the beginning. When does the story start?

So the story starts in the mid 2010s. Tesla had been this company that had all this hype around it. But —

A lot of people were shocked by Tesla’s earnings report. Not only did they make a lot less money than expected, they’re also making a lot less cars.

Tesla was struggling.

The delivery of the Model 3 has been delayed yet again.

Tesla engineers are saying 40 percent of the parts made at the Fremont factory need reworking.

At the time, they made their cars in Fremont, California, and they were facing production delays.

Tesla is confirming that Cal/OSHA is investigating the company over concerns over workplace safety.

Elon Musk has instituted a kind of famously grueling work culture at the factory, and that did not go over well with California labor law.

The federal government now has four active investigations involving Tesla.

They were clashing with regulators.

The National Transportation Safety Board will investigate a second crash involving Tesla’s autopilot system.

Billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk — friends are really concerned about him. That’s what Musk told “The New York Times.”

And by 2018, he was having all of these crises.

According to “The Times,” Musk choked up multiple times and struggled to maintain his composure during an hour-long interview about turmoil at his electric car company, Tesla.

So all of this kind of converged to put immense pressure on him to do something.

And where does China come in?

Well, setting up a factory in China, in a way, would solve some of these problems for Musk. Labor costs were lower. Workers couldn’t unionize there. China provided access to this steady supply of cheaper parts. So Elon Musk was set on going to China. But first, Tesla and Musk wanted to change a key policy in China.

Hmm, what kind of policy?

So they wanted China to adopt a policy that was aimed at lowering car emissions. And the idea was that it would be modeled after a similar policy in California that had benefited Tesla there.

OK, so explain what that policy actually did. And how did it benefit Tesla?

So California had this system called the Zero-Emission Vehicle program. And that was designed to encourage companies to make cleaner cars, including electric vehicles. And they did that by setting pollution targets. So companies that made a lot of clean cars got credits. And then companies that failed to meet those targets, that produced too many gas-guzzling cars, would have to buy credits from the cleaner companies.

So California is trying to incentivize companies to make cleaner cars by forcing the traditional carmakers to pay cleaner car makers, which basically means dirtier car makers are effectively subsidizing cleaner cars.

Yes, that’s right. And Tesla, as a company that came along just making EVs, profited immensely from this system. And in its early years, when Tesla was really struggling to stay afloat, the money that it earned from selling credits in California to polluting car companies were absolutely crucial, so much so that the company structured a lot of its lobbying efforts around this system, around preserving these credits. And we talked to a former regulator who said as much.

How much money are we talking about here?

So from 2008, when Tesla unveiled its first car, up until the end of last year, Tesla made almost $4 billion by selling credits in California.

Wow. So Musk basically wants China to recreate this California-style program, which was incredibly lucrative for Tesla, there. And they’re basically holding that up as a condition to their building a factory in China.

Right. And at this point in the story, an interesting alliance emerges. Because it wasn’t just Tesla that wanted this emissions program in China. It was also environmentalists from California who had seen the success of the program up close in their own state.

If you go back to that period, to the early 2010s, I was living in China at the time in Beijing and Shanghai. And it was incredibly polluted. We called it airpocalypse at times. I had my first child in China at that point. And as soon as it was safe to put a baby mask on her, we put a little baby mask on her. There were days where people just would try to avoid going outside because it was so polluted. And some of the pollution was actually wafting across the Pacific Ocean to California.

Wow, so California is experiencing that Chinese air pollution firsthand and, in a way, has a direct stake in lowering it.

That’s right. So Governor Jerry Brown, for example — this became kind of his signature issue, was working with China to clean up the environment, in part by exporting this emission scheme. It was also an era of a lot more US-China cooperation. China was seen as absolutely crucial to combating climate change.

So you had all these groups working to get this California emissions scheme exported to China — and the governor’s office and environmental groups and Tesla. And it worked. In 2017, China did adopt a system that was modeled after California’s.

It’s pretty incredible. So California basically exports its emissions-trading system to China, which I imagine at the time was a big win for Californian environmentalists. But it was also a big win for Tesla.

It was definitely a big win for Tesla. And we know that in just a few years Tesla, made almost $1 billion from the emissions-trading program he helped lobby for in China.

So Elon Musk goes on, builds a factory in China. And he does so in Shanghai, where he builds a close relationship with the top official in the city, who actually is now the number-two official in all of China, Li Qiang.

So according to Chinese state media, Elon Musk actually proposed building the factory in two years, which would be fast. And Li came back and proposed that they do it in one year, which — things go up really quickly in China. But even for China, this is incredibly fast. And they broke ground on the factory in January 2019. And by the end of the year, cars were rolling off the line. So then in January 2020, Musk was able to get up on stage in Shanghai and unveil the first Chinese-made Teslas.

Really want to thank the Tesla team and the government officials that have been really helpful in making this happen.

Next to him on stage is Tesla’s top lobbyist who helped push through some of these changes.

Thank you. Yeah, everybody can tell Elon’s super, super happy today.

[SPEAKING CHINESE]

And she says —

Music, please.

Cue the music. [UPBEAT MUSIC]

And he actually broke into dance. He was so happy, a kind of awkward dance.

[UPBEAT MUSIC]

And what is the factory like?

The Shanghai factory is huge. 20,000 people work there. Tesla’s factories around the world tend to be pretty large, but the Shanghai workers work more shifts. And when Tesla set up in China, Chinese banks ended up offering Tesla $1.5 billion in low-interest loans. They got a preferential tax rate in Shanghai.

This deal was so generous that one auto industry official we talked to said that a government minister had actually lamented that they were giving Tesla too much. And it is an incredibly productive factory. It’s now the flagship export factory for Tesla.

So it opens in late 2019. And that’s, of course, the time when the pandemic hits.

Yes. I mean, you might think that this is really poor timing for Elon Musk. But it didn’t quite turn out that way. In fact, Tesla’s factory in Shanghai was closed for only around two weeks, whereas the factory in Fremont was closed for around two months.

That’s a big difference.

Yes, and it really, really mattered to Elon Musk. If you can think back to 2020, you might recall that he was railing against California politicians for closing his factory. In China, the factory stayed open. Workers were working around the clock. And Elon Musk said on a podcast —

China rocks, in my opinion.

— China rocks.

There’s a lot of smart, hardworking people. And they’re not entitled. They’re not complacent, whereas I see —

We’ve seen a lot of momentum and enthusiasm for electric vehicles, stocks, and Tesla certainly leading the charge.

Tesla’s stock price kept going up.

Tesla has become just the fifth company to reach a trillion-dollar valuation. The massive valuation happened after Tesla’s stock price hit an all-time high of more than $1,000.

So this company that had just a few years earlier been on the brink of failure, looking to China for a lifeline, was suddenly riding high. And —

Tesla is now the most valuable car company in the world. It’s worth more than General Motors, Ford, Fiat, Chrysler.

By the summer, it had become the most valuable car company in the world.

Guess what? Elon Musk is now the world’s richest man.

“Forbes” says he’s worth more than $255 billion.

And Elon Musk’s wealth is tied up in Tesla stock. And in the following year, he became the wealthiest man in the world.

So you have this emission trading system, which we discussed and which, in part, thanks to Tesla, is now established in China. It’s bringing in money to Tesla. And now this Shanghai factory is continuing to produce cars for Tesla in the middle of the pandemic. So China really paid off for Tesla. But what was in it for China?

Well, China wasn’t doing this for charity.

What Chinese leaders really wanted was to turn their fledgling electric vehicle industry into a global powerhouse. And they figured that Tesla was the ticket to get there. And that’s precisely what happened.

We’ll be right back.

So, Mara, you’ve just told us the story of how Elon Musk used China to turn Tesla into the biggest car maker in the world and himself — at one point — into the richest man in the world. Now I want to understand the other side of this story. How did China use Tesla?

Well, Tesla basically became a catfish for China’s EV industry.

A catfish, what do you mean by that?

It’s a term from the business world. And, essentially, it means a super aggressive fish that makes the other fish in the pond swim faster. And by bringing in this super competitive, aggressive foreign company into China, which at that point had these fledgling EV companies, Chinese leaders hoped to spur the upstart Chinese EV makers to up their game.

So you’re saying that at this point, China actually already had a number of smaller EV companies, which many people in the West may not even be aware of, these smaller fish in the pond that you were referring to.

Yes, there were a lot of them. They were often locally based. Like, one would be strong in one city, and one would be strong in another city. And Chinese leaders saw that they needed to become more competitive in order to thrive.

And China had tried for decades to build up this traditional car industry by bringing in foreign companies to set up joint ventures. They had really had their sights set on building a strong car industry, and it didn’t really work. I mean, how many traditional Chinese car company brands can you name?

Exactly none.

Yeah, right. So going back to the aughts and the 2010s, they had this advantage that many Chinese hadn’t yet been hooked on gas-guzzling cars. There were still many people who were buying their first car ever. So officials had all these levers they could pull to try to encourage or try to push people’s behavior in a certain direction.

And their idea was to try to ensure that when people went to buy their first car, it would be an EV — and not just an EV but, hopefully, a Chinese EV. So they did things like — at the time, just a license plate for your car could cost an exorbitant amount of money and be difficult to get. And so they made license plates for electric vehicles free. So there were all these preferential policies that were unveiled to nudge people toward buying EVs.

So that’s fascinating. So China is incentivizing consumers to buy EV cars and incentivizing also the whole industry to get its act together by chucking this big American company in the mix and hoping that it will increase competitiveness. What I’m particularly struck by, Mara, in what you said is the concept of leapfrogging over the conventional combustion engine phase, which took us decades to live through. We’re still living in it, in many ways, in the West.

But listening to you, it sounds a little bit like China wasn’t really thinking about this transition to EVs as an environmental policy. It sounds like they were doing this more from an industrial-policy perspective.

Right. The environment and the horrible era at the time was a factor, but it was a pretty minor factor, according to people who were privy to the policy discussions. The more significant factor was industrial policy and an interest in building up a competitive sphere.

So China now wants to become a leader in the global EV sector, and it wants to use Tesla to get there. What does that actually look like?

Well, you need sophisticated suppliers to make the component parts of electric vehicles. And just by being in China, Tesla helped spur the development of several suppliers. Like, for example, the battery is a crucial piece of any EV.

And Tesla, with a fair amount of encouragement — and also various levers from the Chinese government — became a customer of a battery maker called CATL, a homegrown Chinese battery maker. And they have become very close to Tesla and have even set up a factory near Teslas in Shanghai. And today, with Tesla’s business — and, of course, with the business of some other companies — CATL is the biggest battery maker in the world.

But beyond just stimulating the growth of suppliers, Tesla also made these other fish in the pond swim faster. And the biggest Chinese EV company to come out of that period is one called BYD. It’s short for Build Your Dreams.

We are BYD. You’ve probably never heard of us.

From battery maker to the biggest electric vehicle or EV manufacturer in China.

They’ve got a lot of models. They’ve got a lot of discounts. They’ve got a lot of market growth.

China’s biggest EV maker just overtook Tesla in terms of worldwide sales.

BYD 10, Chinese automobile redefined.

I’ve actually started seeing that brand on the streets here in Europe recently, especially in Germany, where my brother actually used to lease a Tesla and now leases a BYD.

Does he like it?

He does. Although he did, to be fair, say that he misses the luxury of the Tesla, but it just became too expensive, really.

The price point is a huge reason that BYD is increasingly giving Tesla a run for its money. Years ago, back in 2011 —

Although there’s competitors now ramping up. And, as you’re familiar with, BYD, which is also —

— Elon Musk actually mocked their cars.

— electric vehicles, here he is trying to compete. Why do you laugh?

He asked an interviewer —

Have you seen their car?

I have seen their car, yes.

— have you seen their cars? Sort of suggesting, like, they’re no competition for us.

You don’t see them at all as a competitor?

Why is that? I mean, they offer a lower price point.

I don’t think they have a great product. I think their focus is — and rightly should be — on making sure they don’t die in China.

But they have been steadily improving. They’ve been in the EV space for a while, but they really started improving a few years ago, once Tesla came on the scene. That was due to a number of factors, not entirely because of Tesla. But Tesla played a role in helping train up talent in China. One former Tesla employee who worked at the company as they were getting set up in China told me that most of the employees who were at the company at the time now work for Chinese competitors.

So they have really played this important role in the EV ecosystem.

And you mentioned the price advantage. So just for comparison, what does an average BYD sell for compared to a more affordable Tesla car?

So BYD has an ultra-cheap model called the Seagull that sells for around $10,000 now in China, whereas Tesla Model 3s and Model Ys in China sell for more than twice that.

Wow. How’s BYD able to sell EVs at these much lower prices?

Well, the Seagull is really just a simpler car. It has less range than a Tesla. It lacks some safety measures. But BYD has this other crucial advantage, which is that they’re vertically integrated. Like, they control many aspects of the supply chain, up and down the supply chain. When you look at the battery level, they make batteries. But they even own the mines where lithium is mined for the batteries.

And they recently launched a fleet of ships. So they actually operate the boats that are sending their cars to Europe or other parts of the world.

So BYD is basically cutting out the middleman on all these aspects of the supply chain, and that’s how they can undercut other car makers on price.

Yeah. They’ve cut out the middleman, and they’ve cut out the shipping company and almost everything else.

So how is BYD doing now as a company compared to Tesla?

In terms of market cap, they’re still much smaller than Tesla. But, crucially, they overtook Tesla in sales in the last quarter of last year.

Yeah, that was a huge milestone. Tesla still dominates in the European market, which is a very important market for EVs. But BYD is starting to export there. And Europe traditionally is kind of automotive powerhouse, and the companies and government officials there are very, very concerned. I interviewed the French finance minister, and he told me that China has a five - to seven-year head start on Europe when it comes to EVs.

Wow. And what has Elon Musk said about this incredible rise of BYD in recent years? Do you think he anticipated that Tesla’s entry into the Chinese market could end up building up its own competition?

Well, I can’t get inside his head, and he did not respond to our questions. But —

The Chinese car companies are the most competitive car companies in the world.

— he has certainly changed his tune. So, remember, he was joking about BYD some years ago.

Yeah, he’s not joking anymore.

I think they will have significant success.

He had dismissed Chinese EV makers. He now appears increasingly concerned about these new competitors —

Frankly, I think if there are not trade barriers established, they will pretty much demolish most other car companies in the world.

— to the point that on an earnings call in January, he all but endorsed the use of trade barriers against them.

They’re extremely good.

I think it’s so interesting, in a way — of course, with perfect hindsight — the kind of maybe complacency or naivete with which he may not have anticipated this turn of events. And in some ways, he’s not alone, right? It speaks to something larger. Like, China, for a long time, was seen as kind of the sweatshop or the manufacturer of the world — or perhaps as an export market for a lot of these Western companies. It certainly wasn’t putting out its own big brand names. It was making stuff for the brand names.

But recently, they have quite a lot of their own brand names. Everybody talks about TikTok. There’s Huawei. There’s WeChat, Lenovo. And now there is BYD. So China is becoming a leader in technology in certain areas. And I think that shift in some ways has happened. And a lot of Western companies — perhaps like Tesla — were kind of late to waking up to that.

Right. Tesla is looking fragile now. Their stock price dropped 30 percent in the first quarter of this year. And to a large degree, that is because of the threat of companies like BYD from China and the perception that Tesla’s position as number one in the market is no longer guaranteed.

So, Mara, all this raises a much bigger question for me, which is, who is going to own the future of EVs? And based on everything you’ve said so far, it seems like China owns the future of EVs. Is that right?

Well, possibly, but the jury is still out. Tesla is still far bigger for now. But there is this increasing fear that China owns the future of EVs. If you look at the US, there are already 25 percent tariffs on EVs from China. There’s talk of increasing them. The Commerce Department recently launched an investigation into data collection by electric vehicles from China.

So all of these factors are creating uncertainty around what could happen. And the European Union may also add new tariffs against Chinese-made cars. And China is an economic rival and a security rival and, in many ways, our main adversary. So this whole issue is intertwined with national security. And Tesla is really in the middle of it.

Right. So the sort of new Cold War that people are talking about between the US and China is, in a sense, the backdrop to this story. But on one level, what we’ve been talking about, it’s really a corporate story, an economic story that has this geopolitical backdrop. But it’s also very much an environmental story. So, regardless of how Elon Musk and Tesla fare in the end, is BYD’s rise and its ability to create high-quality and — perhaps more importantly — affordable EVs ultimately a good thing for the world?

If I think back on those years I spent living in Shanghai and Beijing when it was extremely polluted and there were days when you couldn’t go outside — I don’t think anyone wants to go back to that.

So it’s clear that EVs are the future and that they’re crucial to the green energy transition that we have to make. How exactly we get there is still unclear. But what is true is that China did just make that transition easier.

Mara, thank you so much.

Thank you, Katrin.

Here’s what else you need to know today.

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Millions of people across North America were waiting for their turn to experience a rare event on Monday. From Mexico —

Cuatro, tres, dos, uno.

— to Texas.

Awesome, just awesome.

We can see the corona really well. Oh, you can see —

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Oh, and we are falling into darkness right now. What an incredible sensation. And you are hearing and seeing the crowd of 15,000 gathered here in south Illinois.

Including “Daily” producers in New York.

It’s like the sky is almost —

— like a deep blue under the clouds.

Wait, look. It’s just —

Oh my god. The sun is disappearing. And it’s gone. Oh. Whoa.

All the way up to Canada.

Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about. That’s what I’m talking about.

The moon glided in front of the sun and obscured it entirely in a total solar eclipse, momentarily plunging the day into darkness.

It’s super exciting. It’s so amazing to see science in action like this.

Today’s episode was produced by Rikki Novetsky and Mooj Zadie with help from Rachelle Bonja. It was edited by Lisa Chow with help from Alexandra Leigh Young, fact checked by Susan Lee, contains original music by Marion Lozano, Diane Wong, Elisheba Ittoop, and Sophia Lanman and was engineered by Chris Wood.

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When Elon Musk set up Tesla’s factory in China, he made a bet that brought him cheap parts and capable workers — a bet that made him ultrarich and saved his company.

Mara Hvistendahl, an investigative reporter for The Times, explains why, now, that lifeline may have given China the tools to beat Tesla at its own game.

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The film is a portray of Nirit Ben Joseph, an Israeli living in Berlin for 26 year. Moving to Berlin at the age of 25 for the love of a German partner, Nirit has since become an in-separate ... Read all The film is a portray of Nirit Ben Joseph, an Israeli living in Berlin for 26 year. Moving to Berlin at the age of 25 for the love of a German partner, Nirit has since become an in-separate part of the city and is described by many as a Berliner from Israel. Working as an histori... Read all The film is a portray of Nirit Ben Joseph, an Israeli living in Berlin for 26 year. Moving to Berlin at the age of 25 for the love of a German partner, Nirit has since become an in-separate part of the city and is described by many as a Berliner from Israel. Working as an historical tour guide of the city, Nirits most common audience are Israelis visiting Berlin to ex... Read all

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• May 2015 (Germany)
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