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Traveling with an Infant in International First Class

Few travel issues evoke more controversy than the matter of children in premium cabins, especially in international first class..

I’m not here to debate that, directly. Instead, I want to help guide parents who are considering whether to bring their children into first class. In short, I’ll just borrow the line of Tom Hanks in Forrest Gump :

I’m not going to argue you can “guarantee” an easy flight. Every parent understands why. Sometimes even the most well-behaved children will have bad flights.

And so you can look at it in two ways: avoid any risk of drama and fly uncomfortably in economy or take the chance and hope for a blissful flight up front. I will always will go with the latter choice. With the right tools, the chances for disaster are limited.

Why first class? The ability to spread out can make all the difference in the world when traveling with an infant. I’m not telling you to let your baby or toddler roam free in the first class cabin, but the larger seat or suite allows for a lot more space for the child to utilize.

With one 14-month-old child, I’d say I’m still new at the game of fatherhood. But my son has been to Europe three times already and traveled in premium cabins on all six transatlantic crossings.

Our last flight was in SWISS First Class, which I outlined a bit here . The beauty of our suite, with a closing door, was its allowance for the baby to keep himself entertained in a confined space with room to wiggle…that’s worth a lot of money on a 12hr flight.

But isn’t it rude to take a baby into an expensive premium cabin? There is always some trepidation when flying that the baby will not be well-behaved. I still get that. But that should not be your concern. I’m not arguing that we should only think about ourselves and not those around us. But I am saying that reasonable people can appreciate why you would bring a baby up front–so that s/he creates less of a disturbance. Your goals are actually aligned.

My Tips for Traveling with a Child in First Class

My tips are actually the same as flying economy class or business class…it’s the room in first class that makes all the difference. Even if the baby is still sleeping in a bassinet, s/he won’t be sleeping the entire flight. Here are five things that have helped me traveling with my son–

1. Leave as Close to the Infant’s Bedtime as Possible

This is most important, especially if your baby is on a schedule. My son goes to sleep each day between 7-7:30p. Thus, that becomes my ideal time to depart on a longhaul flight. It has worked like a charm with all three flights from Los Angeles to Europe.

Flying back to the States is difficult since all nonstop flights to Los Angeles depart in the morning or afternoon. But choosing a 1pm departure over a 9am departure can make a huge difference.

2. Don’t Keep the Infant Hungry

If your baby is hungry, s/he will be irritable. Always keep a supply of snacks on hand. Unlike the sleep schedule, don’t be afraid to break the meal schedule on a plane.

3. Darken the Cabin

In economy class, you are often at the mercy of those around you, but I cannot recall a first class flight where the shades have not been closed during the bulk of the flight. Tricking the baby into thinking it is nap time or nighttime is much easier in a darkened cabin.

4. Keep the Infant Occupied

My son likes his picture book, toy boat, and toy turtle. Bring along your child’s favorite toys. What he really likes is pressing all buttons and playing with my mobile phone, but I don’t allow that…even on a plane. If your baby is too young for that, your best bet is to get up and take a walk around the cabin. Often that is a great thing for even older toddlers.

5. If the Infant Cries, Don’t Panic

If the baby senses your panic, s/he will likely cry harder or longer. Stay calm and soothe the child gently if s/he cries. Even if you are getting the evil eye from the grouchy old man behind you, just focus on calming. Bring a pacifier along.

How to Book First Class

Two words: miles and points. The beauty of credit card points and frequent flyer miles is how they allow you to experience aspirational premium cabins for a huge discount off retail. I’m not going to go into the nuances here, but if you are new to the points and miles game, the potential is huge.

My tips are fairly self-evident for parents and perhaps even for parents-to-be. But I hope I have conveyed that you should not be daunted by first class travel with your child. It’s a rewarding way to fly that has tremendous benefits. Put aside the worry and instead focus on how a child who is comfortable and has room to spread out it is lovelier not just for you, but everyone on the aircraft.

About Author

Matthew Klint

Matthew is an avid traveler who calls Los Angeles home. Each year he travels more than 200,000 miles by air and has visited more than 135 countries. Working both in the aviation industry and as a travel consultant, Matthew has been featured in major media outlets around the world and uses his Live and Let's Fly blog to share the latest news in the airline industry, commentary on frequent flyer programs, and detailed reports of his worldwide travel.

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93 comments.

I cringe every time I see a baby in First Class.

The last flight where this happened AUH-JFK on Etihad the baby cried the entire flight. It was awful.

Sorry but I don’t think babies should be allowed in First Class.

I agree 100% in first class nor business class. If I wanted to hear a baby crying throughout my flight after I paid more than 3 to 5000+ dollars then I would have fit into the economy section and paid way less than half. And I have children’s and I’m not against them it’s just if I choose the flight in business class or above, I did it for my comfort to be away from that type of situation!!!

Matthew, I am the grumpy old man with the stink eye sitting behind the offender. I was also the one who for years selected coach seats in the “back of the bus” when I traveled with toddler children – a self imposed mandate courtesy to the other paying passengers. Not my responsibility to put up with your screaming kid because you think you’re entitled. All airlines should set the hard rule that infants/toddlers be banned from prem seats. This would take away your ability to engage in a selfish act, at the expense of everyone else around you.

Totally agree with you. I would be the first to complain. If a baby starts crying the mother should be required to close herself in the bathroom compartment until he stops crying. Also, the parents should have to pay for a seat for the baby. I feel it’s child abuse to take a baby on airplane. The air pressure hurts the baby’s ears. I think babies should not be allowed on planes.

Wow, I’m amazed at how ignorant people can be sometimes. You think babies should not be allowed on planes?? WOW.

You shouldn’t be allowed on planes because, 1. Youre obnoxious 2. Probably overweight, 3. Thinking bad things about babies, which is highly concerning. Even jail able in my opinion. People like you are a danger to society

To all whining miserable souls who don’t like babies in first class, get yourself a charter jet. If I pay for thousands of dollars for a flight my child will g***** come with. If you don’t like children, especially babies, there’s something severely f**** up with you.

So you all feel like parents traveling internationally shouldn’t enjoy the same comforts of a more spacious seat and nice amenities and should be reduced to tight uncomfortable seats?. You pay for the space and amenities not peace and quiet which is never guaranteed when traveling with other people. Since you idiots feel entitled to the entire plan maybe you should invest in a private jet. People who loves to apartments know they agree to live amongst others and you can’t control others…they don’t want to deal with it they purchase a home.

Please don’t give others any ideas. I find it curious that you are the first to complain about adult passengers in F that disturb you, yet you are doing the same, making the entirely voluntary choice not just to fly in F, but flying at all with your infant, knowing doing so will disturb others that paid alot for the privelege. Not a shock since many of your other posts come across as very entitled and self aggrandizing.

How’s that lawsuit coming along btw?

Kudos at least for not deleting any and all contradicting opinions.

Premium pax pay for the serenity of the front of the plane because what they want is SLEEP so they arrived fresh and ready for business after a long trip.

All it takes is one 30 second outburst of crying and you’re waking passengers up who paid a big premium for peace and quiet.

Don’t be selfish. Fly in the back.

@MG: That’s not why I paid for first class.

Hah. Obviously. But the ability to get a restful period of sleep on a long flight is why most J and C pax pay the premium.

@MG: talk about being selfish. why don’t you go get charter a private jet.

Taking an infant at all is rude to all the other passengers. Dont take your shit factory on a flight period.

Since, by biological design, you are just a bigger “poop” factory, are you voluntary abstaining from flying?

Idiot and on purpose obviously dishonest answer. Please do not argue if you are going to be dishonest in the first place. Money doesn’t buy education and manners apparently

Yes, apparently that is true Julien. Go bark up another tree.

I hope my little one and I get a chance to sit next to you on your next long haul flight.

I hope not. Why is that by the way? Why looking forward to it? It seems you already know your child will misbehave and ruin the flight. Just can’t wait to UNLEASH the dragon huh?

First class in not a place for infants.

Even quiet ones?

Your infant will not have a single outburst during a TPAC TATL flight? Very, very unlikely. Because that single outburst of 30 seconds it all it takes to wake the cabin.

Mine didn’t. Flew OZ in F cabin when he was 9 months old. He played around with the seat buckle and even waived to people as they got settled in. By the time meal service was starting my baby was asleep and me and my wife enjoyed dinner face to face in the F suite. My son has only flown in F or J both internationally and domestic. Only time he cried was at the tail end of a 20 hour journey with two transfers and even then it was for the last 30 minutes.

A few drops of tequila on the tongue works wonders. So I’ve read…..

You don’t make the rules s*** for brains. I hope you get a screaming child on every flight for saying that.

If a family is PURCHASING first class seats for all of them – they should consider seats on a corporate jet !

And – Asian & European parents are more likely to have well-behaved children in ANY class than American parents!

One might consider that if control one’s surroundings is such a major consideration, it’s the passenger seeking to avoid children who might consider traveling on a private jet. On a public conveyance it seems counter-intuitive to be upset by encountering the public.

European children are the worst! Corporate punishment is against the law in many countries and the children are brats as a result.

Ric, what shithole country are you from?

Hitting kids obviously makes them better behaved.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

I’m from Switzerland and live in the USA. I’m sorry, but overall I have noticed that American parents (not all mind you) don’t care if their kids are screaming and running around causing a ruckus. Good parenting will have parents PREPARED for a long flight, will reassure children and have activities for them. For the most part, European and Asian families bring up their kids differently. It all goes back to how the kids are raised.

Hey Andy K – What SHITHOLE country are you from? It’s corporal punishment not corporate punishment (unless you’re Donald Trump!) Where did you go to school?

That was auto-correct.

Corporal punishment I think…..

I agree with the commenters who believe that buying a seat in first class entitles them to decide who sits in the other seats. With the fairly obvious stipulation that they must also pay for all the other seats. Failing that, your first class seat does not grant you the expectation that other passengers, or the airline, will act on your preferences regarding age, race, wardrobe choice, decision to wear socks, choice of perfume or cologne, etc.

Everyone, of course, is entitled to an opinion. But the notion that your opinion trumps the rights of other paying passengers is, obviously, absurd.

Airlines can decide the terms of carriage in their various classes and (at least foreign airlines — this might run afoul of US laws) could offer a child-free cabin if they so desired. Malaysia does or did this. There does not seem to be a great degree of market demand for it.

Bravo! Everything here is spot on.

Matthew, having done this with 2 kids myself, your post is great advice. My kids have been to over 35 states and 4 countries. The only times we ever had outbursts or long crying we’re on Southwest. You can fly in premium cabins with minimal disturbances.

You choose to live in a society. Children are part of that society. Grow up. If parents are acting considerate and respectful of others in the cabin, they have every right to be there.

I agree with you 100%

We switched from flying coach to first/business (paid) when our son was 4yo so the infant and toddler concerns had past. It was family economics that prompted the switch, not some magic age benchmark.

We did 20-30 flights between 3.5 months and 16 months old and never had a problem with crying or disruptive behavior in coach so yes, I can believe baby could fly in first without an issue. Its as much advance planning and common sense as it is a child’s temperament. We traveled so much because our baby was a very good companion. Had he been a fussy or difficult baby, we likely would not have flown as often as we did. Some kids simply are more easy going than others.

Bravo, Matthew.

I disagree with those who don’t think babies belong in First Class. Plenty of adults don’t belong in First Class. I think how the child behaves has every bit to do with the parents.

We brought our now-10-month-old infant on Swiss Business to Europe last summer and also in Korean First Class and back on Business last month— it gets easier every time, and we are less nervous. I walked around quite a bit with her in the back of the plane–many laps from first through biz to economy, and she was quite happy and less restless.

But yes, it takes work. We don’t get to enjoy First or Biz as much. We tried our hardest to be considerate of other passengers. Anytime the baby started crying I would pick her up and proceeded out of the cabin. No one gave us dirty looks. Flight attendants were super attentive and sweet, especially on Korean. It was FINE.

That being said, I remember flying solo on Emirates in economy from Dubai to JFK years go and it was just sea of infants, one would stop and another would start. It was miserable because the parents weren’t doing anything to soothe the babies. It’s all about the parents.

If an adult next to you in First Class started screaming uncontrollably for hours non-stop and you were unable to sleep or relax what would you do? You would ask the adult to keep the noise down and if they failed to you would ask the crew to intervene.

I would have no trouble telling the parents that they should remove the child (and themselves) from the First class cabin if a child did the same.

I’m lucky enough in about 50 overnight J or F flights to either not have children in the cabin, or if they are in the cabin they are well behaved and quiet.

They’re called earplugs. Every seasoned traveler should learn to sleep with them and ignore what happens around them works great everywhere.

If an adult next to you in First Class started screaming uncontrollably for hours non-stop and you were unable to sleep or relax what would you do?

Try to help him out?

Taser works too…

****bingo****

“I’m lucky enough in about 50 overnight J or F flights to either not have children in the cabin, or if they are in the cabin they are well behaved and quiet.”

*cough* lonely loser overcompensating* cough

No one is impressed with you being a cunt. Please EAD.

Good grief, do you have to be so profane ?…..Your comment, by the way, is meaningless.

Ben— If an adult did that, he is getting tackled to the ground and tied up with our belts. Not the same scenario.

I still get a bit anxious when I see an infant seated near me, but in all my experience flying I’ve never actually been disrupted by one. Maybe I’ve been lucky.

On the other hand, I can’t count the number of times an adult has bothered me (in all cabin classes)

Just recently I flew to Hawaii in economy with a parent and baby beside me. Baby slept almost the entire flight, while the passenger behind me talked loudly about all of her problems (she had a lot) and kicked my seat about 300 times an hour. Oh, and all of the flight crew loved the baby, which resulted in some pretty great service in our row.

I’ve had loud babies…even on my recent Qsuite flight (for about 20 minutes)…but you’re right: usually the adults are worse. There is no way around that for those who want to “ban” children from flying in premium cabins.

You’ve partly swayed me to agree but unfortunately have traditionally found parents in premium cabins could not care less how their infant behaved and do let them scream/run riot the entire flight. Sadly having paid for the privilege of a quiet premium cabin cannot guarantee that you will receive what you expect.

That’s exactly what we did when we flew LX J, CX, J and KE F this past summer. We just lucked out on KE F ICN-LAX that the cabin was empty, so we were able to have them dim the lights when we wanted.

To all those with the holier than thou attitude regarding infants in first class, go take a hike. The opinion smacks of jealousy and the need to feel superior because “I’m in first class!”

I have not had the privilege of first class in my international travels (would gladly pay some day given the opportunity financially or points) but take the family in business on long-haul flights and the large seat with a bed and space for my daughter makes our travel much easier on everyone than cramping her in a tightly confined space. Not to mention, frankly, I’m not going to discomfort my daughter for anyone if I can help it. Any airline worth their salt with a premium cabin provides noise cancelling headphones on a long haul. If worried about noise, put on the headphones like most people already do regardless.

Noise cancelling headphones doesnt work for sounds like a baby crying. It is for sounds that are constant like the sound of the airplane.

As someone who is allergic to children in general I think children should never be allowed anywhere near the front of an airplane.

If you’re allergic, perhaps you should stay home.

Again a totally silly and selfish answer. In your mind the world shall be ruled by the disturbers and not by the respectful people ? The one who is disturbed is wrong and should go, but the one who disturbs the other fellow humans shall stay and is entitled to suggest them to stay home ? What a nice mentality ! I think Halls is not allergic to babies, he is allergic to noise and disturbance and likes to rest. But as long as 99% of babies are noisy, allergy to babies is the result.

I’m disturbed by your complaining.

Young children should be banned from all flights. Seriously who travels with an infant. What possible enjoyment can the infant derive from going on a trip when they are too young to understand what is happening.

I guess it’s just par for the course for this snowflake generation though.

Sad times we live in.

Oops, that was for the other jerk. So you think people with kids should just stay in the same town until their kids are old enough to understand what is happening?

Seems like the only snowflake is the person who can’t handle the fact that other human beings are sharing a space with them. Just because you can’t reproduce doesn’t mean the rest of us have to tip-toe around your pathetic ass

LOL, young children does not equal infants. Not sure where you snowflake comment is relevant either but frankly you just seem normally miserable in your life. Buck up! Try to find something to enjoy rather than be a drag.

Reply to Mr. G.’s comment: “Young children should be banned from all flights. Seriously who travels with an infant. What possible enjoyment can the infant derive from going on a trip when they are too young to understand what is happening.”

The first time my son travelled in a plane, he was seven months and I had no idea how he’d react. The flight was from DC to Las Vegas. My husband and I were seated in a bulkhead section surrounded by adult business travelers who contorted their faces in expressions of dread, anger, and disgust. My son smiled at them. The plane took off and my son slept the entire duration of the flight. When the plane landed, these very same business persons walked by us and stated, “What a great a baby!” My reply was, “He really is; but you wouldn’t know that because he slept the whole way.”

The return flight, also in Coach, but not a bulkhead section, presented my son with no problems or difficulties. When he wasn’t napping, I shifted him a bit, letting him stand on my thighs as I held him up and he faced the seats behind me. He started giggling because a nine year-old boy, several rows back, was playing a bobbing game of peek-a-boo over the top of the seats. My son’s laughter was infectious, prompting many of the adults on the plane to laugh along with him. The general comments I received when the plane landed: “….great to hear a baby laughing for a change, instead of crying.” “Cute kid.” “He’s a fine traveler.” It isn’t the children, Mr. G.; most of the time, it isn’t even the parents. But instead, it’s a situation. One that can certainly be contributed to by the attitude of one’s fellow passengers. My baby WAS a good traveler, putting the adults around him at ease and making their moods fair after their initial reactions were mean and angry, possibly causing tension in the immediate cabin area. Tension which any baby is SKILLED at discerning. They have to be discerning; they’re defenseless and have to rely on their instincts. Oh, and that nine-year-old boy, several rows back? He was the smartest, kindest passenger on that plane. Reassess, Mr. G.; reevaluate; reconsider.

Young children should be banned from life. If you want kids don’t expect us to act matured just because we are older. If your kids won’t behave we won’t behave.

Thank you sir / madam. Best comment so far!

Honestly, infants and younger children shouldn’t be in first class. Yes, they may bother other passengers, but more importantly, kids shouldn’t get so used to flying on premium cabins just because of his or her parent’s financial status. We don’t want kids who grow up to become pompous and entitled.*

I don’t necessarily plan to fly my son in a forward cabin when he is old enough to entertain himself. But now he’s too young to appreciate it…that’s part of the point.

To those who don’t like kids in “their” first class cabins:

So sad too bad for you. Your not special. You paid for a seat and just because you can afford a better one does not guarantee you the right to choose your companions. If you demand that right it’s time to start chartering private jets.

It perfectly fine to criticize badly behaved adults. They are after all fully grown and should be expected to know right from wrong and understand basic courtesy. Small children on the other hand clearly cannot be held to the same standard. It would be one thing to complain about parents letting kids run wild (in any cabin). But especially when it come to a crying baby/toddler I assure you there is not a soul on that airplane that wants the kid to stop crying more than the parents.

To those who say it’s being selfish to fly up front have you considered how selfish your being to insist that kids belong in coach? With two small kids of my own I can assure you that Matthew is right. Having the ability to allow them to move around a suite as opposed to being trapped in a seat is HUGE when it comes to have a pleasant flight with small kids. Why does your “right” to a pleasant and comfortable flight trump mine?

MG your clearly not a fan of Matthew so please go away. Start chartering private jets so you can have the total control over every aspect of your environment your entitled to. Can’t afford it? Hmmmm What about the small business owner flying long haul for work that can only afford coach but still needs to arrive rested? Are you better than him more valuable than him because you can afford First?

Airlines are a form of public transportation. Which means you don’t get to pick who your traveling with.

Asians definitely take care of their children more so than other parents on average. I have seen that often and am very appreciative. Having said that, I’m trying to remember the last overseas flight in J I had in which a child cried for most of the flight.

Why is your child not secured? In the event of turbulence he would become a ping pong ball. Suite or no suite.

Two words: ground services. That’s why you choose F over J when traveling with infants. Think about how much you ‘enjoy’ first class perks and multiply that by 10x and you’ll get a sense of how much more parents appreciate them.

I’ll start off by saying I don’t fly with my son (18 months), because I know his personality well enough to know that he wouldn’t do well in a confined space like an airplane for an extended period of time. The extra space in J or F might help, but unfortunately that’s not a realistic option for us, whether on cash or miles. I see no problem, though, with kids in premium cabins is the parents come prepared and believe their kids can handle a long flight. Honestly, I’ve flown many times with young children in the J cabin, and can remember maybe one instance where they created a disturbance for a long period (though I can sleep through just about anything, so probably not the best person to judge such things).

That being said, I find this argument posted by several commenters that anyone has a “right” to a particular experience in an expensive cabin is ridiculous. 121Pilot is right. You pay for a seat and the services that come with it, not the right to choose your seamates (well, unless you buy up the whole cabin I guess). Also, is this Animal Farm, where F/J passengers are created more equal than Y passengers, and therefore those flying in coach can fly a kite when it comes to cabin noise? Sad!

My nieces and nephews all had the gift (to their parents) of immediately falling asleep in motion – car, arms, train, plane. That said, nobody pushed it to 20 hours’ travel at a pop. Some kids, and some parents, can fly together without triggering murderous thoughts in the minds of their fellow travelers. Some parents put a lot of effort into making it work. If you and yours can’t, then does it matter what class travel you choose?

But, really – if you routinely trash the flight experience for fellow travelers who are either paying $10K+ for a seat or suffering in an uncomfortable middle seat for 14+ hours, how do you live with yourself?

No question about it, no kids in premium class.

In case there is a real need to fly, sit in the back, In fact I have been thinking that planes should have a hard separation for let say the last 6 rows where parents with kids can sit together, soundproof separated from other passengers.

I can see some broth ideas… also, I think there should be separate compartments for adults with stinky feet, another one for the ones who keep farting all the time, also one for the drunk ones. Oh and one very separate compartment and if possible with cages for those old businessmen who constantly try to hit on and flirt with stewardesses and other passengers. How about that?

Babies, toddlers and children are also… guess what… HUMANS. They have all the rights to fly on a plane, take a bus, go to a restaurant and to enjoy the world!

If you don’t like them or can’t stand them then you should be the one not leaving your home. Because the world cannot adapt to you. You have to adapt to the world.

My take: Flying with YOUNG children is unnecessary and most of the time a selfish entitlement of the parents. A toddler couldn’t care less if he’s at the Conrad Bali, or playing at a neighborhood lake or in-country destination. Yes, there are reasons, that make it unavoidable – moving countries, visiting grandparents – but for pure joy? No, just no.

Regards, A dad

This is the height of self-indulgence. Infants and young children have no place in premium cabins, and especially not in international first class.

By that standard, why does anyone have a place in international first class? Isn’t “the height of self-indulgence” exactly what first class is?

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I hope next time couple of low bred French child will sit beside you.

LOVED the pictures of Augustine! He’s a little cutie. Ignore all those who say that young children don’t belong in FC.; those who might be disturbed by a child being a child can wear earplugs. Hang in there!

Hello, Did they offer you a bassinet for your son in F?

For this trip, my son was too big, but in past trips yes.

Hey Matt. Did you have to pay infant fees? I was planning to fly Cathay first to Asia and got shocked when they want 25% of cash price fee for our baby under 2! I noticed most airlines charge some sort of fees as well for biz and first. What/how did you do for all your 3 trips? Anyway around paying these fees? Many thanks!

I am 100% certain that the people that rant about kids in first/business/economy class in this thread ARE NOT PARENTS. If they were, they would understand that it is not fun for parents when their progeniture start crying during a flight. If anything it is even more annoying for them then for other passengers, because they need to calm down their kids AND are uneasy of bothering those passengers.

But if you want to be alone in a plane, just charter a private one! Don’t be a d*** about passengers with children, as if they were not allowed there. Some ridiculous comments on this page @ron @isaac @credit @mr G and others

Who cares if a child cries on a plane? The second you get off you will forget all about it. Toughen up. I fly first often and if an infant starts crying I put on the headphones and have a drink. Deal with it life is too short to worry about such small matters.

If your ass is in first class on an international flight and you were too foolish to bring on board your $500 pair of state of the art earplugs to mute out any screaming babies that you’d find disturbing, then I’m sorry, that is on you. If you can’t afford those $500 ear plugs, I’m afraid your ass is in the wrong class seat to begin with. If you pay 3K-8K to just to sit in a fancy seat for a few hours so you get some shut eye but are too irresponsible to protect your investment in that seat by bringing with your a $500 pair of earplug then frankly you deserve to sit on that 10 hour flight in first class next to a screaming baby. That’s your fault, so quit blaming your poor ass planning at the expense of others, that seems equally as selfish as bringing a baby in 1st class.

People in first class have no place to whine about anything because they ….are…in…FIRST….CLASS. If you know a crying baby on a plane bothers you, and you just spent more than the average kids college fund just to sit in a seat a few hours so you can get some quite time in, but yet have chosen to step on board with no fancy earbuds that cost 1/10 the airfare to prevent this problem from occurring, which you easily had the power to eliminate, then I have zero pity for you.

You’re either A) too foolish for your own good, B) make really poor investments and decisions with your time and money, C) are too poor to buy earbuds but yet feel like you’re first class material and therefore deserve to sit in the back with everyone else or D) all of the above.

Just my 2 cents. Rant over.

Wow so much hate from upper class white priveleged males. This has motivated me to book a business class ticket on United Newark to Singapore trip with my 16 month old just to spite the likes of you all. Let’s hope we sit next to a few of you. Petty? Yes. Otherwise a helpful article, thanks!

Ling— Narrow minded to assume everyone is white here because a few people have pictures posted.

Also very mature to use your child as a weapon for revenge against those of us who don’t want kids in the premium cabin.

I bet your young child is already light years ahead of you in the maturity department.

Booked a first class with miles from JFK to ICN with our 13 months old daughter. She will be 15months when we fly. I can’t wait to see all those haters’ faces when we board.

I’m amazed that how many baby haters there are in the comments. Clearly they all forget that they were babies once. More importantly, they don’t understand NO parents would voluntarily want to hear their babies cry (unless those super irresponsible parents). Judge all you can haters, babies can fly first class too.

Hmm — Ling’s twin??

Hi Matthew! Did you book a separate seat for your baby or it was booked as lap infant?

For this flight, it was a lap infant. Now my youngest is two years old, so we will be buying four tickets.

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If you’re travelling by train, whether it’s for business or pleasure, then you might have been tempted to go for a first-class ticket . But is first-class travel really worth the extra expense? It’s worth considering a few of the advantages carefully.

First-class travellers are afforded slightly more leg-room, and the seats are a bit wider, too. In some trains, you might also find that the aisles are a little bit wider, since there are fewer seats in total. This means that you won’t have that feeling of being crammed in. If you feel uncomfortable every time you travel by train, then this might be a factor worth considering.

Peace and Quiet

While your mileage might vary, the general rule is that first-class travellers are quieter than those in the economy carriage. Moreover, since there are fewer of them, you might find that the ambient noise level is lower overall. This isn’t something that the rail operator has any control over, but it is a nice benefit that tends to arise from the nature of this form of transport.

As a first-class passenger, you’ll get access to niceties that ordinary passengers don’t. These include plug points so that you can charge your electronics while you’re on the go, larger racks for your luggage, and free WiFi. If you’re going to be using the WiFi for business however, you’d be advised to get a good VPN before you connect.

Before you finalise your payment, it’s worth looking into exactly what’s included with your ticket. That way you won’t end up surprised.

Meal included

If you’re travelling a sufficiently long distance, you might find that your train operator will throw in a free meal along with your travel. This cost is factored into the price of your ticket. This being the case, you might be able to save the hassle and expense of finding food when you arrive.

Naturally, the quality of your meal will tend to vary according to the rail operator. In general, however, you can expect something of a quality commensurate with the price you pay.

First-class lounges

One of the major privileges of first-class travel is that travellers get to enjoy a stay in a special lounge prior to travel. Here, you’ll find even more complementary stuff – including that day’s newspapers, drinks and reclining seats. If you anticipate that you’re going to be waiting around a lot before you travel, then the lounge might be worth the price of the first-class ticket alone.

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Galena · 11/11/2010 20:28

Going to a meeting tomorrow and am able to take my 18mo daughter (She was born at 27 weeks and so is still tiny and not yet walking, so equivalent to about a 9-12 month old). First class tickets were £2 more than Standard class each way. So I booked them. I know I'm entitled to have her in there, but I can't help but worry that some poor business man/woman who has booked First Class so they can have peace to do some work on the train will see us walk in and feel that IABU. I'm a lready feeling defensive, despite the fact no-one's said anything and I know I'm in the right. Should I just have slummed it in Standard?

No! You've bought the ticket so you have every right to use it. There is loads more room in first class - it's definitely worth it.

YANBU. I commute and travel a lot by train with DD. When the tickets are cheap I've taken her in first class. Never occurred to me that it could be a problem.

Can you take her out into the corridor if she cries? Some people would have paid more than an extra £2 for a First Class ticket and will have done it in order to get work done. Difficult one. There should be family carriages for lots of running around space, sobs and spillages!

YABU only if you don't whisk her out if she cries.

Its up to the train companies how they price their seats. When I get a train for business its first thing in the morning and tickets are hundreds of pounds. Whether its worth it or not depends very much on the train, whats important IME post 6 months is that there is a spare seat. re: the other passengers, if she screams the whole way first class passengers I think more likely to be annoyed but thats not really your problem.

It's public transport. The clue is in the name. You have as much right to be there with your baby, as the business man/woman. It's nice to get a peaceful journey, but it's not a god given right. Don't be thinking that your comfort, and your babys, is less important than theirs.

Wow, I've never been in first class but dh goes in a lot for work. Never occured to me that you couldn't just do what you like in there if you can afford the prices (appreciate they are not always astronomical). Any passengers have a right to be annoyed if a baby screams the whole way - including the mum and dad. No way would I plan in advance to stand in the corridor for the louder bits (though appreciate I might bottle it on the day and slink out) Are first class carriages marketed as 'quiet' coaches?

She's generally really good, and I'm not worried that she'll scream. To be honest, I'll be taking toys, books and enough food to sink a battleship as when she's eating all is right with the world, in her view! If she got grumpy, of course I'd do something about it - whether that's something at the seat (more food, dummy, gin, ...) or whether it's walking down the train with her. I don't do screaming babies in public! At home, I might try to limit the dummy, but in an environment like that where it impacts lots of other people, she can have it for the whole journey if necessary! I guess it's more about other people's perceptions - whether they assume she'll be a nuisance without giving her a chance first...

You can do what you like. I used to go first with my baby a fair bit. Never had any grief. It's up to the train companies how they price their tickets, nothing to do with you.

i always took dd 1st, she was a diamond tho. i did get hard stares and was made to feel v uncomfortable, it was as though everyone was waiting for her to start screeching.

As someone else said - it's public transport, anyone who thought buying a first class ticket meant they would be segregated from certain groups of people are deluded and really ought not to have wasted their money. Amazes me that anyone would think otherwise,I wonder what they would think about a person with LDs being in the first class carriage?

You pay your money, you go where you like. I'd be more than happy to glare back at anyone who gave me withering looks.

It's first class not quiet class! Don't feel Bad at all!

Really don't worry about it. We've travelled first class loads with our 6 month old DD, the first time when she was only 4 weeks old. Like you we book it cheap in advance, and I love it because the bigger seats are much comfier to BF in. Also they bring you tea/coffee and water which is a lot less faff than getting to the buffet car with a baby. And the baby change facilities seem to only be in the first class carriage loos on East Midlands Trains. We've never had a problem, only nice comments. Last time I was travelling with 5 month old DD by myself it was fully booked. There were 3 other business people at our table all with laptops out, and DD sitting on my knee with her crinkly horse toy. I did feel slightly anxious that they'd have a problem but they were all parents too and were delighted to have the distraction of a cheery baby to smile at. I have taken DD out into the corridor when she has got grouchy, but that is generally because I'm trying to get her to go off to sleep in the sling and need to walk up and down to do that.

Yeah, you'll probably get the "what on earth are you doing here?" or "don't fucking dare sit next to me" looks from the suited and booted as you get on. Then when she behaves beautifully or sleeps for most of the journey they're suddenly all smiles!

YANBU - But I can understand your concerns. If first class was mainly used by adults with young children then it wouldn't be an issue but as it's mainly used by lone adults you are in a minority, which is always going to be hard.

Ok, I'm beginning to chill out I think... Both legs of the journey we are at a table, but it is a 2 seat table (opposite each other), rather than a 4 seat table so we shouldn't annoy the person next to us as there isn't one! It seems we get complimentary food with Crosscountry trains, as well as drinks, so that's going to be worth the £2 extra! I'll let you know how it goes!

Fuck 'em. You have way more need of the space in first class looking after a small baby than any snotty businessperson who can up and leave if they're that bothered. I've taken my baby DS in first before and it was fine. YANBU.

Dd grew up on GNER trains. In my experience, 1st class is usually pretty empty, and if businessmen do get annoyed they just humph to themselves or put earphones in. Mainly they try and play with the child if you are next to them though, as they are usually daddy's themselves. "explorations" down the train every 45 mins always go down well with the dd though.

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Galena Are you travelling during peak hours? I have a question for everyone too. If you were taking a toddler or preschooler first class during peak hours and they were talking or singing quite loudly would you stay there or take them out to the corridor?

yanbu you have every right to be there its fine. i have done it and noone complains, obviously keep your dc under control not trashing the train or anything then will be fine

OP YANBU at all, don't worry about it. nappy addict talking and singing is OK, that is just a babble I can tune out but crying I just can't. Still crying babies on rush hour trains rare, people with crap headphones at high volume not rare, yet people don't seem to worry about inflicting their tinny music on others so I don't know why mums worry so much.

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For some travelers, nothing can kill that premium-cabin buzz quicker than an infant next to them. But for parents, despite the overwhelming opposition (and glaring side-eye), seats in the front of the plane can be golden.

By Danielle Braff

Nurhachi Che, a 37-year-old I.T. consultant from Cherry Hill, N.J., was looking forward to two hours of uninterrupted work on her first-class flight from Philadelphia to Kentucky in February. Prepped to conquer all her work tasks, she carefully unpacked her laptop, her AirPods and her noise-canceling headphones. And then a mother and her baby plopped into the first-class seat next to Ms. Che’s, and she was pretty sure her undisturbed flight was doomed.

Even after putting in her earbuds and then noise-canceling headphones over them, Ms. Che said she was unable to block out the sound of the baby’s cries. When, an hour before landing, the baby and her mother finally fell asleep, the infant started slipping into Ms. Che’s lap.

“I am not heartless and would never wish harm on a child, but, quite frankly, it’s not my job to watch a sleeping baby,” said Ms. Che, who is child-free by choice. “Needless to say, between the screaming and then babysitting for the final hour, I got almost no work done, and ended up working late into the night to catch up after a long day of travel.”

For many travelers, luxury and babies don’t mix. For those who prefer to mix with grown-ups while they’re trying to unwind, we have adults-only pools and kid-free cruises. And yet, at 33,000 feet, when passengers are paying thousands (or dipping into their precious points), there’s no guarantee of a relaxing, adult experience.

There are two very opposing forces at play here: On the other end of the spectrum, parents who bring their children to first class in an effort to be a little more comfortable and feel pampered have to withstand the glares of their fellow passengers and hope for the best. All the major airlines allow infants (there’s no age restriction) to fly in first class when accompanied by an adult.

The challenge for airlines lies in striking a balance between these two competing interests, and striving to ensure a peaceful environment for all their passengers.

Michelle McGovern, a lawyer in Brooklyn, said she totally understood the joy of a baby-free flight, especially in first class, but when she and her lap infant were upgraded on their flight from New York to Paris, she wasn’t going to turn the offer down.

“I entered the plane with Gabe in my arms, took that beautiful left turn to first class, and was terrified that he’d misbehave,” Ms. McGovern said of her then 1-year-old, who, incidentally, didn’t sleep a wink throughout the flight. “It’s that essential question: Does first class buy you the right to avoid hoi polloi and their kids, or do you need to fly private for that?”

Passengers have overwhelmingly voiced their support for kid-free first-class sections. Seventy-four percent of business travelers in Britain said that children were the biggest annoyance of flying, according to a survey by the Business Travel Show Europe , part of Business Travel News Europe, a corporate travel company. And a 2010 survey by Skyscanner, a booking app, found that 60 percent of people wanted airlines to offer a kid-free section.

No such luck — for now, at least. However, the fact that babies are typically unwanted in the front of the plane has made some parents think twice before booking that first-class ticket.

Sarah Joseph, a co-founder of Parental Queries , a parenting website, flew from St. Louis to Dubai with her 9-month-old son and found the ordeal to be overwhelming. She had booked a first-class ticket because she was looking for a more comfortable experience, but after her baby started to cry, Ms. Joseph said she became embarrassed and apologized to her fellow passengers.

Jakob Miller, a retired doctor on Staten Island, recently took a trip to Europe with his wife and experienced a similar situation, though he was on the opposing team.

“At first, we just tried to ignore the noise and focus on our own conversation, but as the hours went by, the baby’s cries became louder and more frequent,” Dr. Miller said, explaining that although the mother tried to calm her baby, nothing worked — which is why he believes that babies should be banned from first class on planes. “First class is a premium space where passengers pay extra for added comfort and relaxation. The presence of a baby, with their potential crying and fussing, would disrupt the peaceful atmosphere and ruin the experience for other passengers.”

Despite the many outspoken anti-baby voices, Scott Keyes, the founder of Scott’s Cheap Flights , who has a 1-year-old and a 4-year-old, believes that the overall sentiment toward babies is changing, offering more empathy toward families traveling with young children.

“Of all the people in society who could use a bit of extra rest and relaxation, it’s parents of young kids,” Mr. Keyes said.

That’s not to say that families with babies should ignore etiquette if they choose to fly first class, however.

Before booking a first-class ticket, parents must make an informed decision as to whether they think their child will be a disruption, said Elaine Swann, the founder of the Swann School of Protocol , an etiquette school in Carlsbad, Calif. This means being conscious of the length of the flight, the time of day that they’re flying and the age of the child. If it seems like the child will be a disruption to others, parents should select another section of the plane, Ms. Swann suggested.

“This is where we need to think about how our choices and our behavior can impact others’ well-being,” Ms. Swann said.

Parents of babies should also be prepared to soothe their children with food, drinks, toys and entertainment, said Jacqueline Whitmore, an etiquette expert and former flight attendant for Northwest Airlines who is now the director of the Protocol School of Palm Beach, an etiquette consulting and training firm. Since there’s no policy prohibiting children and babies from flying in first class, then as long as they are respectful and well behaved, they belong there, she said. Plus, Ms. Whitmore said, many of them are better behaved than some adults.

Collette Stohler, a travel journalist and the co-creator of Roamaroo , a travel blog, has taken her baby to six countries and seven states in first class throughout his 8-month life, and she said she’d received many compliments on how well behaved the infant has been on those flights. That’s more than she can say for the adults surrounding her child.

“We’ve encountered plenty of ill-behaved, loud, drunk and entitled adults that disturb the peace in first-class cabins on many flights,” Ms. Stohler said.

When Dr. Amy Guralnick, a pulmonologist, took her 3-year-old to Israel from Chicago in business-class seats, the woman next to her immediately switched her seat to coach to avoid being around the baby. The man who claimed the abandoned business-class seat was loud and obnoxious and spilled his drink on the baby, who slept throughout the entire 12-hour flight, Dr. Guralnick said.

“When deplaning, the original woman saw us and said she kept checking on us during the flight, and saw that Sasha slept the whole time, and lamented that she hadn’t kept her original seat,” Dr. Guralnick said.

Ms. McGovern, the lawyer who flew with her 1-year-old, has always pondered whether it’s fair to bring babies into first class. Now with 2-year-old twins and a 7-year-old, she totally understands why others might not want to share the first-class cabin with her family, but she also doesn’t have much luxury in her life these days.

“I’d take luxe accommodations with a side of seatmate resentment any day,” Ms. McGovern said.

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Every train journey is a new adventure, especially for our youngest travellers. To ensure that the journey goes smoothly and comfortably, there are a few important conditions to keep in mind.

• Travelling at a discount: The age applies on the day of travel, not the day of booking, and the discount is valid only when accompanied by an adult.
• Travel with proper documents: All children must carry a valid passport, identity card and/or other required visas or immigration documents for the countries they are travelling in.
• Travel with permission: Minor children (up to the age of 17) travelling alone always need written permission from a parent or guardian. A sample form can be found on the Rijksoverheid website . Train managers may request to view it.
• Travelling unaccompanied: The child’s parents are always responsible for travelling for the child and there is no supervision on the train or at stations during the journey.
• Maximum of 4 children per adult: An adult may bring a maximum of 4 children. There are three exceptions: 1. Are you travelling to Germany with the Sparpreis group fare? Then there is no maximum number of children. 2. In Norway and Sweden, adults are only allowed to accompany one child. 3. In Denmark and the Czech Republic, two children.

In each country, the minimum ages for children travelling unaccompanied varies as well as the corresponding rules:

Child discounts and facilities on the train

Children often travel at a discount. How much discount you get varies by train and/or country. Also, some trains have facilities especially for children on board. We have listed them below for you for each train carrier.

Eurostar: Belgium, France and London

Belgium & france.

• Children 0 t/m 3 years:  Travel for free on the lap or at child rate with their own seat. Must be accompanied by a parent/guardian or adult with written permission.
• Children 4 to 11 years  Travel at child fare and always travel accompanied by an adult. Children must be accompanied by a parent/guardian or an adult with written permission from the parent/guardian. Ticket price depends on class.
• Children 12 and up: Travel at youth fare, if available. If the youth fare is sold out, the adult fare applies.
• Ticket prices will change from 4 November 2024. The child fare will no longer apply for travel on Eurostar Premier.
• Baby care: In carriages 7, 17 and 27, you can use a changing mat, washbasin and bottle heater.
• Stroller: You may take the pram or stroller on board for free, when travelling with a child. You can store your stroller in the carriage you are sitting in, provided you fold it.
• Children 3 years and younger: Children up to 3 years of age travel for free and do not need a reserved seat if they sit on your lap during the journey. Are you travelling alone with several children up to 3 years old? You can keep one on your lap, for the other child(ren), you will need to buy a child ticket. Every adult may bring one child 3 years or younger free of charge .
• Children 4 to 11 years: Children aged 4 to 11 travel at child fare .
• Children 12 years and over: There is no discounted fare for young people aged 12 and over, they travel at the regular fares.
• Children's compartment: In carriages 1 and 18 you will find several family tables where children can colour and play .
• Baby care: Facilities for baby care can be found in carriages 1, 2, 17 and 18. You cannot buy baby food on the train. However, the staff in the bar carriage will be happy to warm up any baby food you have with you .
• Stroller: In carriages 1, 3, 16 and 18, there is extra space to store your buggy or stroller .
• Specifically for children: For toddlers, a special 'mealbox' is on sale in bar carriage 6 and 13, containing a sandwich, drink, piece of fruit and a colouring book .
• Children 3 years and younger: Travel for free when accompanied by an adult provided they do not have their own seat .
• Children 4 and 5 years: Travel for free when accompanied by an adult and if the ticket is bought online. At an NS ticket machines and NS service counters, the ticket costs €2.50

Children 6 to 11 years:

• Accompanied: Travel for free when accompanied by an adult and if the ticket is bought online our website. At an NS ticket machines and NS service counters, the ticket costs €2.50 .
• Unaccompanied: Children aged 6 years or over may travel unaccompanied with written permission from a parent or guardian. Unaccompanied children receive a 50% discount on the standard adult fare.
• Children 12 years and over: No special child or youth discount on Intercity Brussels.
• Baby care: There are no baby facilities available.
• Children 3 years and younger : Travel for free when accompanied by an adult. They do not need a ticket.
• Children 4 to 14 years : Children from 4 to 14 years also travel for free when accompanied by a person aged 15 and over. However, they will need a ticket. You can specify this while making a booking and then the children will travel with you on your ticket. Please mention children immediately when booking, adding a child afterwards is not possible. An accompanying person under 18 does need a parental consent form. Children aged 12 to 14 travelling unaccompanied receive a 50% discount in Germany. Children up to 14 years do not travel free with Sparpreis Europa Gruppe and Supersparpreis Europa Gruppe fares.
• Children 15 years and over: No age discounts in ICE International. They travel at regular fares.
• Exception in Swizerland : Here, children up to 15 years of age travel free when accompanied by a (grand/step) parent, or at 50% discount if travelling with another adult.
• Baby care: Especially for travellers with babies and/or children up to 3 years old, there is a children's compartment. In most children's compartments, you will find a table to draw or play on, a power socket and fold-out baby changing table. In 2nd class in carriage 25 (ICE Frankfurt) and carriage 35 (ICE Basel). You will also find a baby changing area near the children's compartment .
• Stroller: Feel free to bring your stroller. You pay nothing extra for this and there is plenty of space to store your stroller. This can be done in the children's compartment or nearby. Folded strollers fit in the train's regular luggage rack. On Intercity Berlin you can also put your stroller in the bicycle carriage.
• Specifically for children: 'Little ICE' is a child-friendly train character to make train travel more fun for children. Together with his friends Benni IC Bus and Ida IC, 'Little ICE' provides entertainment during and after the journey. These figures are available free of charge on board ICE International in Germany at the Bord Bistro. Bistro staff are happy to hand them out to children. In addition, the little ones will receive a magazine, LeseLok, with colouring pencils for the journey .
• Family zones in ICE International: The Kindercoupé (Kleinkindabteil) and Family Zone on ICE International trains are designed for families travelling with children. The Kindercoupé is specifically for families with babies and children 3 years and younger, while the Family Zone is suitable for families with older children, up to 14 years old. Both zones offer proximity to facilities such as exits, baggage areas and toilets, and reservations can be made online. You can indicate this preference when booking online .
• Children 4 to 14 years: Children from 4 to 14 years also travel for free when accompanied by a person from 15 years. However, they will need a ticket. You can specify this while making a booking and then the children will travel with you on your ticket. Please mention children immediately when booking, adding a child afterwards is not possible. An accompanying person under 18 does need a parental consent form. Children aged 12 to 14 travelling unaccompanied receive a 50% discount in Germany. Children up to 14 years do not travel free with Sparpreis Europa Gruppe and Supersparpreis Europa Gruppe fares.
• Children 15 years and over : No age discounts on Intercity Berlin. Children aged 15 and above travel at the regular fare.
• Children's compartment: Especially for travellers with babies and/or children up to 3 years, there is a children's compartment. In most children's compartments, you will find a table to draw or play on, a socket and fold-out baby changing table. The train also has a Familienbereich in 2nd class, carriage 10 (seats 25 to 34), with 12 seats, suitable for families with (young) children, next to the Children's compartment.
• Stroller: Feel free to bring your stroller. You pay nothing extra for this and there is plenty of space to store your stroller. This can be done in the children's compartment or nearby. Folded prams fit in the train's regular luggage rack. On Intercity Berlin, you may also put your pram in the bicycle carriage. However, a foldable buggy is recommended.
• Children 3 years and younger: Travel for free on the lap or at child rate with their own seat.
• Children 4 to 11 years: Discounted travel with the Child fare.
• Youth aged 12 to 25 years: TGV has a youth fare, but it is not always available. If the youth fare is unavailable for that particular route, the regular fare applies to them.
• Baby care: A changing room with changing table is available in carriage 7 or 17 and in 1st class. Want to warm up a bottle or baby's meal? The catering staff will be happy to do this for you.
• Children 5 years and younger: Travel free without their own seat or berth, accompanied by an adult. It is not compulsory to reserve their own seat or berth, they may also share it with a paying, adult traveller. Otherwise, children up to 5 years of age travel at the child fare.
• Children 6 to 14 years: Travel at the child fare accompanied by an adult and must reserve their own seat or berth.
• Familienabteil: A compartment with 6 berths intended for up to 3 adults and 3 children up to 14 years.
• Ladies only compartments: Exclusively for women and girls, with 4 berths. Boys travelling with their mothers are not allowed in this section; they must book their own compartment or space in a mixed compartment.
• No pass needed for children 3 years and younger: Children younger than 4 do not need an Interrail Pass. Children must sit on their parent’s lap when train is crowded, as children are not guaranteed their own seat.
• Free children pass 4 to 11 years: Travel at a child fare and always travel accompanied by an adult. Ticket price depends on class.
• Youth discount 12 to 17 years: Passengers aged 12 to 27 receive discounts on Interrail Passes .
• Reservations: Note that reservations are required for all travellers, including children, for certain train types, such as night and high-speed trains.

Facilities & Conditions

More information on Interrail Passes and facilities for children and young people can be found on the Interrail website .

• Children to 3 years: Travel free when sharing a seat with a paying traveller. For a separate seat, book a ticket at the child fare.
• Discount for children 4 and 11 years: Children of this age travel with European Sleeper at a child rate.
• Accompanied travel up to 17 years: Children may travel with one adult, maximum four children per adult, with written permission from parents or guardian.

On thier support page , you can find more information on child facilities on European Sleeper's trains.

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I boarded the first-class carriage of Switzerland’s famous Glacier Express ―possibly the most luxurious scenic train in Europe― and instantly felt out of sorts.

One month of travel had not been kind on my Converses ― they were battered and caked in a layer of mud courtesy of the Italian Alps, as was my once-red backpack that had been through the wringer.

My jeans had ripped at the knee a few weeks earlier somewhere in France, and I had stopped caring too much about combing my hair.

I found a seat two away from a man in a crisp navy golf shirt and a fedora, and a woman dressed entirely in white except for her dark glasses. As I sat down, he subtly nudged her. They exchanged a few hushed words, and when the conductor walked the carpeted aisles, I’m pretty sure they adjusted their seats to get a good view of my imminent ejection.

But it never happened, because clenched in my fist was a  Global Pass,  with which I was cruising my way across the continent.

Andrew Thompson

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After the conductor left I met the couples’ eyes, smiled smugly, and then shifted my focus to the scenic spectacle unfolding outside. When the waiters arrived to lay the table in front of me, with starched tablecloths, silver cutlery and actual glasses, I felt like I was living the lifestyle of the rich and famous.

Although on most trains you will ride in Europe, there is not likely to be a huge difference between first and second class, there are some that can create lasting memories, improve your experience, or just slightly increase your comfort.

7 reasons why it's worth paying extra for your 1st class train pass: 

1. increased leg room and seat width.

Your seat is possibly the most important comfort factor while on board a train, and when it comes to regional trains in Europe, most are created equal ― that is to say, not lounge-recliner comfortable, but usually perfectly acceptable for a few hours of overland travel.

Some trains, however, throw in a few extra centimetres for first class travellers on both the seat width and leg room that can make all the difference. Some trains also configure the aisles to make them slightly wider, usually making the experience less cramped.

2. Superior comfort

Some trains take first class comfort further than a few added centimetres. Most first class seats now have plug points for each passenger, wider tables, more generous luggage racks, and, increasingly, free wifi.

First class in Switzerland’s scenic trains, for example, also often offer leather seats, carpeted aisles, and at-seat service. If you are travelling through Austria, and willing to pay in a little extra on top of your Plus Pass when aboard a RailJet train, you can recline in a lavish business class seat that more closely resembles a living room sofa than a typical train seat. On some routes they will even throw in a cold beer delivered and poured at your seat. Although these are the exceptions rather than the norm, they are worth looking out for while planning your journeys.

3. Peace and quiet

The social factor is one of the biggest reasons to travel by train. The relaxed nature of second class means it is easy to strike up a conversation with fellow travellers, and alight with a handful of new Facebook friends and Instagram followers.

First class can be slightly different, however. Most people in Europe’s first class train carriages are travelling for business, or are on someone else’s dime, so they are less into the small talk and more into their laptops. Because of the price of these point-to-point tickets, the carriages are also often less crowded, allowing you more room to spread out and relax, and the general peace and quiet of these carriages can be surprisingly welcome after a few weeks of intense travel.

4. Finding a seat

Second class point-to-point tickets can cost up to 30% less than first class tickets, and at peak times or on popular routes this can often mean finding a seat is difficult. First class is seldom full, and it is usually much easier to find a seat. This is also a factor to consider if you want to bag a specific seat, like by the window or at a table.

5. Ordering in

Many first class carriages in high speed trains across Europe offer some kind of on-board meal served at your seat, often at no extra cost. Depending on the route this can be as simple as crackers and a coffee, but on certain trains such as the Eurostar, it can be a full meal.

Some of the continent’s famous scenic trains have onboard waiters who will attend to you at your seat, and although meals usually cost extra, they are worth trying at least once for a truly unique dining experience.

6. Seamless arrivals and departures

Much like first class on airplanes, many trains are configured to make it very clear that those able to afford this luxury are prioritized. This often means that first class carriages on the longer high-speed trains, such as the Eurostar, arrive in the station closest to the exit ― perfect for saving a few minutes if you are in a rush. Some of these trains also offer priority boarding to first class and business premier ticket holders.

7. First class lounges

Your first class Pass will give you access to first class lounges on the day of your departure at many stations in Europe with these facilities. Some of these lounges go as far as to offer free food, drinks (sometimes including alcohol), newspapers, comfortable reclining seats, baggage storage, and wifi. This is a particularly useful benefit if you have a long wait before your connecting train.

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First Class: When and Why is it Worth Upgrading Your Ticket?

To go first class or not to go first class? That is the question many travellers ask themselves when they book train tickets in advance . On the one hand, nothing beats getting to feel like a VIP but on the other hand, people are put off travelling first class because of extra costs. 

If you are on the fence about whether travelling first class is the best option, here are our tips on when it is worth it and why. 

You are Looking for Comfort

One of the most well known advantages of travelling first class is the added comfort. 

First class cabins tend to have more comfortable seats which are reclinable, larger and have extra legroom. These features will be a godsend if you are making a long journey and travelling on a route where it can occasionally be difficult to find a seat during peak times. 

Some train operators also allow you to begin your comfortable first class experience before you even step on the train. This is thanks to the provision of first class lounges at some major railway stations. Lounges tend to also boast comfortable seating and other benefits. 

However, it is always worth doing your research before trying to enter a first class lounge. Some operators may only allow people with certain types of first class tickets or people who have bought a supplementary lounge ticket to enter. 

You Love a Freebie

It is very rare to come across someone who doesn’t love a free perk. One major bonus of travelling first class is that many operators include complimentary snacks, drinks and even newspapers on their trains and sometimes in first class lounges too. 

When the Price Difference is Small

There’s a misconception that first class train tickets will always be extortionately priced in comparison to standard class. This is however not always the case. On occasion, first class tickets may only be slightly more expensive so the upgrade might be worth it at these times. This is especially the case if you take into account potential savings on buying food and drink when complimentary refreshments are offered. 

In fact, according to Money Saving Expert , sometimes the price difference between standard and first class tickets may be less than £10 if you book far enough in advance. 

You Want to Treat Yourself

Travelling first class might feel frivolous if you do it very rarely or you have never done it before. However, life is short. We would never encourage customers to pay over the odds for rail travel. In spite of this, if you can afford to pay a little extra and you know that travelling first class is an experience you will enjoy, we would recommend it. 

It is also very fun to travel first class if you are making a journey as part of a special occasion such as your birthday or an anniversary. 

Planning Your First Class Journey 

If you are planning to book train tickets in advance, why not see if you can travel first class for an affordable price with us? We offer great value standard and first class train tickets to an extensive list of UK destinations. 

Please note that to learn about the terms, conditions and specific features of a rail operator’s first class service, you should visit their website or contact them directly before you travel.

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Train rules explained: Your rights when it comes to first class

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A rail executive in the first-class carriage of a Southern train allegedly told standard-class passengers to go and stand somewhere else. What are your rights on an overcrowded train?

How different is first class?

On long-distance services on LNER (London-Yorkshire-Newcastle-Edinburgh) and Virgin Trains (London-Birmingham-Manchester-Glasgow), first class offers far more space and comfort than standard class.

On some commuter lines, in contrast, the seats are basically the same; the main difference is that first-class ticket holders are more likely than those in standard to get a seat.

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If overcrowding becomes intense, first class can be “declassified”, i.e. opened up to all passengers, regardless of their tickets. But there is no automatic right to occupy first class.

Ad hoc declassification typically happens after other trains have been cancelled or seriously delayed. With many more passengers than normal seeking to travel on a service that is still running, the train manager or guard can decide to open up first class to all.

If you feel that standard class is getting alarmingly crowded, it is always worth asking. If you cannot find any on-train staff, then you can contact the train operator on social media: they tend to respond briskly on Twitter. Note, though: “If you are given permission to sit in a first-class seat when holding a standard-class ticket, it is on the basis that you may be later required to give up your seat to a passenger holding a valid first-class ticket."

On trains where first-class ticket holders get free food and drink, do I qualify if I am allowed in?

No: if standard-class passengers are allowed in a first-class carriage, they have no entitlement to catering. Though sometimes the generous catering staff will allow you to eat or drink, in the same way that upgradees on flights usually get good meals and free drinks.

I have heard of “permanent” opening up of first class on some trains?

Long-term declassification sometimes happens. Right now, for example, the first-class section at the rear of Thameslink class 700 trains that run through central London is open to all at any time. Other first-class segments on these services are being declassified during rush hours: locally posted information tells passengers exactly when they can sit in first class.

Can I stand in the first-class corridor?

No. Standard-class passengers are not allowed to stand in first-class corridors and vestibules.

The official line is that you can travel in the first-class section (which includes standing areas) only with a first-class ticket. The National Conditions of Carriage warn: “You may be changed a penalty fare if … you travel in first-class accommodation with a standard-class ticket.”

But in my experience, when standard-class passengers spill over into first class, the service is usually so crowded that the train manager cannot get through to tick them off and send them back.

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No matter how old your children are, rail travel is a great way to get out and about with them and explore.  Whether they are toddlers needing the space to move about on a long trip or teens after the free Wi-Fi in first class, there is a good reason to travel by rail for every age group.  If you’ve never considered rail travel with your children before, we hope this section will give you all the information and advice you need.

Have Baby, Will Travel

Chances are, if you are mum to a new-born, the thought of travelling on a train is daunting to say the least.  Travelling with a baby can be a military operation– you’ll want to time the travel between feeds, ideally when baby has a nap and hopefully between dirty nappies.

You will also know that even with the best will in the world, babies can be unpredictable.  Planning is key but so is being prepared for anything.  If you’re travelling by train for the first time with your baby it’s good to think ahead and be equipped for the journey, especially if it’s a long one!

Travelling by train is actually an ideal way to travel with a baby; there is room to feed, pace the carriage and change nappies.  More importantly, if you book an extra seat or travel off peak at a quieter time, then there is room to settle the little one down (safely) for a nap.  (Travelling with under 5’s is free, however fare paying customers will get priority seating).

If booking your train ticket online well in advance, you might consider upgrading to first class.  It’s surprisingly affordable (often cheaper in advance) and will give you the peace and space you might feel you need in order to cope with a longer train journey with a baby.

There is something to be said about leaving the pram at home and embracing the idea of a sling or baby carrier.  It can be overwhelming arriving at a train station and facing stairs, platforms and gaps; do you keep the baby in, take the baby out, collapse the pram? Can you ask for help down the stairs or will health and safety rules mean they can’t?  A sling will eliminate all these worries and give you two free hands to find your ticket, hold a drink or steady yourself on a moving train.

Travel light, try to deconstruct your usual changing bag and take only what you need.  Be prepared for nappy changes and illness, have wipes and a change of clothes handy.  Don’t worry about upsetting other passengers if your baby has an unscheduled cry, chances are they’ve all been there or know someone who has.

Train travel with a new-born may well seem nerve-wracking but you’ll soon realise with a little bit of pre-planning and self-confidence, it’s a great way to travel for both you and your little one.

Young kids on trains, are you mad?

No you’re not actually, it’s an entirely plausible way to travel, as long as you go armed and prepared.  Even the most energetic and challenging under five is capable of coping with a train journey (and you are equally capable of surviving it).

Where possible, travel off peak, this will mean the carriages are less crowded and there will be extra seats so you can spread out.  Great for long journeys and tired children.

Up to two children under five can travel free with an adult, however be aware there is no seat allocation so if a fare paying passenger needs your child’s seat, you must give it to them.  If you are travelling with a child on a long journey it may be wise to buy them a seat, especially if you know they will want to sleep at some point.   Travelling first class is an option well worth looking into when travelling with a child, not only will you have the comfort and extra space, but book in advance and it could well save you money (try our  Best Fare Finder  widget).

If travelling with a buggy, it is advisable to collapse it and carry it on separately but this is not always possible.  Depending on what train company you use, there is usually an area to park your buggy.

We would recommend getting to the station early so that when the train arrives you can find the seats that face each other.  This means your children will be kicking you, as opposed to the customer in the seat in front.

Travelling with a young child on a train requires pre-planning, forward thinking and plenty of distractions.  In most cases, the initial excitement of travelling on a train is short lived, you will be lucky if your little one is still enjoying the view five minutes after departure, therefore it’s important to have activities to fall back on.  Old fashioned games like ‘I spy’ are great but in this modern age, it’s likely your little one will require more modern stimulation in the form of Lego, loom bands etc or even an app on your IPad.

Don’t rely on the snack cart to relieve the boredom and feed your children; not all trains will have them so go prepared with food and drink.  However, if you opted for first class travel, most train companies will offer complimentary food and drink.  It’s often a good idea to take a few treats, things your child might not have on a daily basis so that you have an ace up your sleeve if the going gets tough.

Most parents find the thought of getting their small children on and off the train incredibly daunting.  The gaps seem suddenly larger and your children seem so much smaller.  For very young children it can be a good idea to buy reins, even if you use them at no other time; but always carry your children on and off the train just to be on the safe side.  Little people have a natural propensity to run for an edge, so stay safe and don’t be paranoid about being over protective.

Travelling with young children isn’t as daunting as it sounds given the right preparation and mind-set.  Some train operators even offer benefits for children, just check with your train operator before you travel.

Mind the (age) Gap

We’ve all seen the car journeys on TV where dad’s driving, mum’s reading the map and the two children in the back are fighting over the fruit pastilles.  So now think train.  It’s family friendly; no one is distracted and parents can concentrate on being parents instead of drivers, navigators and negotiators.

As your children get older, travelling is less about finding ways to entertain your children and more about simply being in their company and enjoying the experience together.  After all, as your children get older, trips away will become fewer.

Train travel with your children can open up so many more possibilities for family trips out and away.  You might struggle to convince your growing children that being confined to a car, listening to radio 4 and entertaining an annoying sibling is a good way to travel.  However, tell them they can walk about, visit the buffet car and go to the loo as and when, you may well find them jumping at the chance for a day out with mum and dad.

The advantage of train travel with your children as they get older is that the destinations become mutually agreeable. You will start to leave Peppa Pig World behind and head towards the science museum, the theatre and art exhibitions.

If you travel on the train with a 5-16 year old you will receive a 50% discount on most tickets.  If you can, book in advance – try to be flexible with times and dates and you will make great savings; money you’d far rather spend on your kids!

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Should Children Be Allowed to Fly in First Class?

Last month, George and Amal Clooney took their six-month-old twins on a flight to London. When they showed up, they came prepared with noise-canceling headphones for everybody in first class, along with a note apologizing in advance for any noise their children would make during the flight.

However not all experiences flying with children in first class go so smoothly. Earlier last year, fashion blogger Arielle Noa wrote on Instagram that a Delta flight attendant asked Noa to move to the “back of the plane” after receiving complaints about her baby’s crying from other first class passengers.

The issue of children in first class is a prickly one. Often, parents buy first class tickets to have more room with their child. However, other first class passengers are often paying premium to avoid the trials of the economy cabin, like sitting next to crying children.

While not everybody may be able to afford noise-canceling headphones for the rest of the cabin a la Clooney, handing out earplugs is a thoughtful, proactive gesture that could eliminate frustrations later in the flight. Parents should be well-prepared for flying with children, no matter in which class they fly.

Most airlines don’t have specific, written rules about an infant or child policy in first class. (Except Malaysia Air, which has banned infants from its first class. ) However some airlines are experimenting with unique ways to make flying with children better — for everybody in the plane.

Etihad offers a “Flying Nanny” service on its long-haul flights . The nannies have been approved by a childcare training college in the UK and are on hand to assist parents and entertain children during flight. They can get a child ready to sleep and pass the time with crafts, hand puppets, art, face painting, and magic tricks.

Indian airline IndiGo created a “quiet zone” in its cabins where children under the age of 12 are not allowed.

Richard Branson once said that he would like to introduce a “kids’ class” onboard his Virgin aircraft. "It would be a separate cabin for kids with nannies to look after them,” he said, according to Forbes . “We’ve had an issue with the Civil Aviation Authority. They worry in an emergency kids would be running in one direction and their parents would be running in the other. So we haven’t got it through yet.”