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KILLING TIME: The Most Controversial Star Trek Book Ever

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Like most legends, it’s an interesting story. But is it true?

Well, Killing Time certainly exists, and there are certainly multiple versions of it. The original features lines like “Kirk sighed and reached out to cover the Vulcan’s hand with his own. Men like Spock weren’t standard issue” and “Something stirred inside him…something ancient, something familiar.”

While that does sound suspiciously like every fanfic I’ve ever stayed up late reading, were these lines really meant as a dog whistle to the author’s fellow slash fans?

According to Van Hise herself , no. She was hired to write a novel, not fan fiction, and that’s precisely what she did. “If people chose to see overtones of K/S in [ Killing Time ],” Van Hise said in one of her many   public statements on the subject (seriously, leave the poor woman alone already!), “maybe it’s because there were overtones of K/S throughout Star Trek itself.”

The story behind the recall is also boring. There were multiple manuscripts of Killing Time floating around, each with corrections and suggestions from different invested parties, including Paramount, which owns Star Trek . And since publishing is a long and complicated process dependent upon many busy individuals who can easily misinterpret or lose track of communications with each other, the wrong manuscript went into print. Once Paramount found out, they asked for and got a rewrite.

As for that bit about Gene Roddenberry furiously commanding Pocket Books to take out the queer bits, sadly, Roddenberry himself is no longer around to give his thoughts and recollections on the subject. I do think it’s worth noting, however, that longtime Trek fan “Dee” recalled sending her erotic fan-fiction to Roddenberry in the 1960s. According to her, Roddenberry didn’t care who was getting into whose trousers, so long as those trousers did not have zippers.

What happened, then? Did Roddenberry change his mind by 1985? Was he okay with slash in fanon but not in canon? Was he angry about something other than the alleged subtext? All unanswerable questions, unless someone wishes to pull a Spock and die just long enough to ask Roddenberry about it themselves.

So are the legends about Killing Time being a stealth slash fic true? Doesn’t look that way. But in the end, does it matter? Why should authorial intent be more important than fannish enjoyment? If slash is your thing and you’re looking for something new to read, Killing Time may just amuse you. Heck, it may amuse you even if slash is not your thing. It’s up to you—or, as Van Hise put it, “it’s all in the eye of the beholder.”

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Killing Time is a Pocket TOS novel – #24 in the numbered series – written by Della Van Hise . Published by Pocket Books , it was first released in July 1985 .

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• This is the only Star Trek novel written by Della Van Hise .
• This story takes place after TOS : " The Enterprise Incident ".
• The name of the Romulan commander played by actress Joanne Linville in "The Enterprise Incident" is given as "Thea" here. More recent sources give this character's name as "Charvanek," while she is named "Di'on Charvon" in The Fate of the Phoenix .
• According to Pocket Books, this story is considered controversial due to the manuscript having Kirk/Spock slash fiction elements, which were requested to be removed by Paramount. However, they were not removed, and 250,000 copies were printed. These romantic undertones between Spock and James T. Kirk were brought to the attention of the office of the creator of Star Trek , Gene Roddenberry, who made Pocket Books recall the first edition.
• This edition subsequently became a collector's item, with more than fifty changes made to a revised version.
• The 2023 episode SNW : " Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow " employs a premise loosely similar to this novel.

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• Killing Time at Memory Beta , the wiki for licensed Star Trek works
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The USS Enterprise is on patrol near the Romulan neutral zone and the crew is experiencing unusual dreams. Captain James T. Kirk and Science Officer Spock both confess that they are having dreams that Spock is Captain of the ship and Kirk is an Ensign. Kirk informs Spock that Starfleet intelligence has discovered that the Romulans are attempting to use time travel and are sending more ships to investigate. Captain Kirk goes to sleep, and awakes as Ensign Kirk on the VSS ShiKahr, which appears to otherwise be the Enterprise. The Ensign is a drug addled ex-convict who has been on board for only a day.

The Romulans had attempted to travel back in time and destroy the Federation, but they instead created a Federation dominated by Vulcans. They shielded a ship from the changes and compare the differences, realising that it needs to be reversed. Meanwhile, Captain Spock begins to act protectively of Ensign Kirk, but the Captain is injured on an away mission. After Doctor McCoy conducts a series of mental scans, the crew of the ShiKahr realise that history has been altered. The Romulans plot to use Kirk to force Spock to impersonate their leader. Spock mindmelds with Kirk, each realising their personas from the main timeline.

Romulan agents board the ShiKahr and capture Kirk. Spock agrees to their demands and travels with them. Whilst en route, Spock enters pon farr and finds that he is linked to Kirk, but mates with the Romulan Thea to allow it to pass. They retrieve Kirk, and discover that taking Kirk and Spock was a ploy to have them both travel back in time to stop the Romulan agents from preventing the formation of the Federation. They travel back in time and disable the agents, but Spock is seriously injured and dying. Kirk and Spock mindmeld as reality shifts once more and restores the original timeline.

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Killing Time

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The story involves an attempt by the Romulans to rewrite history so that the Federation never existed.

This novel is infamous for having content that could be read as possessing homoerotic undertones akin to those commonly found in fan "slash" fiction. A first printing of this novel was released before being censored by the publisher/licensee for out-of-character remarks about the alternate Kirk and Spock.

• 1 Introduction
• 3.1 Characters
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• 3.4 Races and cultures
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• 3.6 Other references
• 4.1 Related media
• 5.1 Translations
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Introduction [ ]

From the back cover: Second History : A Romulan time-tampering project that has transported the Enterprise and the galaxy into an alternate dimension of reality. Now Kirk is an embittered young ensign and Spock is a besieged starship commander.

Lured into a Romulan trap, Captain Spock and Ensign Kirk must free themselves from both their captors and their own altered selves...before the galaxy hurtles toward total destruction!

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Captain Kirk has been experiencing disturbing dreams during a patrol of the Romulan Neutral Zone . Hikaru Sulu and Uhura tease Lieutenant Jeremy Richardson about his love life; Richardson says he might turn his efforts to Yeoman S'Parva , a Katellan who has recently been assigned to the Enterprise in the psyche department. Kirk and Spock tell each other that they have both been dreaming that Spock is the ship's captain and that Kirk is an ensign. Kirk shows Spock a mysterious, manually coded transmission from Starfleet Command , which cryptically suggests Romulan activity and extends the Enterprise' s patrol indefinitely. Kirk has heard rumors that three more starships are being sent to the sector and that a time travel experiment is going on in the Romulan Empire . Kirk tells McCoy about the dreams. McCoy decides to interview everyone on the ship to find out who has been dreaming.

As Kirk sleeps, reality shifts around him. Ensign Kirk awakens in his cabin on the VSS ShiKahr , shared by his roommate, Paul Donner . Kirk, an ex-convict who has been on the ship less than twenty-four hours, injects himself with the drug lidacin . Captain Spock, walking the night-time corridors of his ship, has a fit of vertigo during which he sees a vision of the corridors of the Enterprise and of Kirk. Kirk gets into a fight with Donner, who taunts him for having been given the choice between Starfleet and prison.

In Engineering , Ensign Reichert sabotages the flow-valve to the matter/ antimatter pods. Chief Engineer Scott discovers the problem and alerts Spock on the bridge to shut down all nonessential power. In Sickbay , Lieutenant Christine Chapel tells Spock that Reichert was violent when Security arrested him, and that McCoy has sedated him. McCoy discovers that Reichert has two distinct sets of brain waves. He is concerned about the incident's possible effect on humans in Starfleet, since no one has ever before tried to destroy an Alliance starship and the Vulcan High Council only reluctantly accepted humans onto starships in the first place. Spock decodes a priority message from FleetCom ; the message, from Admiral S't'kal , orders ShiKahr to continue patrolling the Neutral Zone and await the arrival of two other starships, and contains plans for an Alliance invasion of Romulan territory. McCoy unwittingly suggests to Spock the possibility that Admiral S't'kal may not be in his right mind, and that this may be connected to Reichert's condition and Spock's own symptoms.

In flashback, Commander Tazol of the Romulan flagship Ravon recalls recent events. His new wife, Sarela , confronted him on the Ravon' s bridge with her opposition to the Praetor 's plan to send operatives back in time and prevent the foundation of the Federation . The Praetor was about to arrive aboard Ravon , which would enter hyperspace and thus be shielded from the effects of the historical alteration. Sarela pointed out to Tazol, who had only gained command of the Ravon through his arranged marriage to her, that no one knows what the Praetor looks like and that the man coming aboard their ship might be an impostor.

Ensign Kirk reports to Spock in his cabin for a disciplinary consultation. Kirk had been accused of murdering Sorek , one of his Vulcan instructors at the Academy , but has no memory of the night of the murder. He was subjected to the Talos Device , a mind probe which left him suffering from nightmares. Spock feels strangely protective of Kirk, and insists on reassigning him to different quarters. McCoy and S'Parva perform a vid-scan on Lieutenant Dane Christensen , producing a negative response. Most of the other crew-members scanned had visions of "a golden-haired, golden-eyed captain."

Having left hyperspace, the Ravon returns to Romulus and accesses computer records of the newly altered " Second History ", which Sarela compares with the ship's own records of the previously-existing "First History". The Romulan operatives succeeded in assassinating three humans crucial to the founding of the Federation, preventing Earth from taking a central role in that process. However, a Romulan attack on Vulcan in the 22nd century brought about the formation of an Interstellar Alliance of Planets led by Vulcan. Tazol brings these results to the Praetor's aides, but the Praetor asks to see Sarela rather than Tazol.

McCoy presents Spock with the results of the vid-scans. He theorizes that the galaxy has been shifted into a new reality, and that those crew-members experiencing symptoms are reacting to the disparity between their present life-roles and those they had in the original timeline . He further suggests that the thirteen crew-members whose vid-scans were negative were already dead in the original history . S't'kal orders the ShiKahr to Canus Four on a diplomatic mission; Spock accepts the order and requests Kirk's presence on the landing party . Kirk's new roommate, Jerry Richardson, tells him that even though he works in the psyche lab he instinctively stepped into the navigator 's chair on the bridge. Spock, Kirk, Donner, McCoy and Ambassador Selon , who is attached to the ShiKahr , beam down to Canus Four but are attacked by primitives; an electrical storm affects the transporter so that only McCoy and Selon are beamed up, while Spock is felled by a spear in the back.

Sarela meets with the Praetor, who is generally thought to be male but is actually Thea , the former Romulan Commander whom Kirk and Spock once tricked . Thea explains to Sarela her plan to induce Spock to sign a peace treaty, the effects of which may persist even if the Alliance succeeds in restoring First History. In that case, those individuals who reverse the historical alteration will retain memories of both histories.

Spock awakens in Sickbay on the ShiKahr . Donner was killed on the landing party; everyone else is safe. On the Ravon , Thea and Sarela discuss their plan to abduct Kirk in order to force Spock to impersonate the Praetor and present the Vulcan Tenets of Discipline to the Romulan people. Spock awakens again from an eighteen-hour healing trance. S't'kal now denies that the ShiKahr was ever sent to the Canusian system. Richardson and S'Parva perform a mind-link during which Richardson sees himself entering his cabin on the Enterprise after speaking to Captain Kirk; S'Parva has to pull his mind back into Second History. Spock learns that Kirk has not been seen since returning from Canus Four. He finds Kirk in the ship's arboretum and forcibly initiates a mind-meld , during which the two of them become more fully aware of their personas in the other timeline and of Kirk's determination in the face of seemingly hopeless situations. During the meld Kirk drops his Academy ring in the loose sand of the garden.

Spock contacts Christopher Pike , in command of the VSS T'Ruda , who agrees that he and Captain Benedict of the VSS S'Tasmeen will take their ships to Starbase 10 to stop S't'kal. Spock realizes that the effects of the reality shift have induced pon farr in him. The ShiKahr is contacted by Thea's transport, the T'Favaron , which claims to have become separated from the Ravon and drifted into Alliance space. Thea and Sarela come aboard the ShiKahr and are confined to quarters. Later, two of Thea's slaves, disguised as Vulcan security guards, take Kirk and Richardson from their cabin and transport them to the Ravon , from which they are sent to a planet in Romulan space. In the hope that he can find a way to correct the time alteration, Spock agrees to Thea's demand that he accompany her back to Romulus and pose as the Praetor. McCoy accompanies Spock as his "slave". Kirk and Richardson find themselves on a desert planet; they decide to attempt long-distance mind-links with Spock and S'Parva respectively to let them know where they are.

Thea, Sarela, Spock, McCoy and S'Parva take the T'Favaron to the Ravon . While Spock tours the ship, S'Parva searches the computer for information about the historical changes, but the tour is interrupted by news that the Governor of Romulus has gone mad and attacked the Praetor's palace. Spock discovers information in the computer tapes about the gravitational slingshot method of time travel. He then receives the telepathic message from Kirk, and is able to identify the constellations visible from Kirk's location as those seen on Remus . The effects of pon farr worsen, and Spock loses consciousness.

On Remus, Kirk's mind-link to Spock causes him to begin to be affected by Spock's pon farr . Even when he and Richardson bathe in a rock pool, the heat does not leave his body. On the Ravon , McCoy is unable to do anything for Spock. Thea forces McCoy to leave the room and begins to help Spock through pon farr ; he resists her strongly but ultimately yields, recognizing that it is the only way to save his own life.

Spock, Thea and the others arrive at the Praetor's palace on Romulus. Thea confers with Tavor , the head of the army and her former lover, and learns that there have been further incidents of madness in the Empire. Spock convinces Thea that the universal situation requires that she abandon her plans and instead help him restore First History. He cannot remain with her, since the Second History version of himself will die or cease to exist no matter what happens. Spock also insists that they take Kirk into the past with them to foil the Romulan operatives so that Kirk will retain his memories of Second History and use his influence to seek peace with the Romulans. Thea decides to leave McCoy and S'Parva on Romulus as hostages.

Thea, Sarela and Spock pick up Kirk and Richardson from Remus, then take the T'Favaron toward Romulus' star to initiate the slingshot effect. Thea reveals that the two Romulan operatives are androids . The Romulans drop off the three Alliance officers near San Francisco in 2097 , six hours before a conference that will lay the groundwork for the Federation. Spock, Kirk and Richardson find the hotel where the conference is taking place and enter the conference room. Kirk identifies the androids by having Spock take off the wool cap covering his ears; only the androids fail to react with shock. The three dignitaries who were the assassins' targets flee to safety while Kirk and Spock fight and disable the androids, but both Richardson and Spock are hit by the androids' poison capsules. Richardson dies, and Spock is dying as he destroys the androids with a Romulan disruptor . Ensign Kirk and Captain Spock take the elevator to the hotel roof, where they perform a mind-meld as reality shifts around them and they cease to exist.

On the Enterprise , everyone has stopped having strange dreams except Kirk, Spock and Richardson. Kirk finds Ensign Kirk's ring buried in the sand in the arboretum. Kirk and Spock perform a mind-meld to discover the truth of what has happened, after which they remember everything that happened to their alternate selves. Despite the evidence of the ring, Spock thinks they do not have enough proof to inform Starfleet Command of the incident. They realize that Thea must remember events even more clearly than they do. Kirk returns the ring to the garden, knowing that it will vanish and return to his other self.

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Characters [ ], starships and vehicles [ ], locations [ ], races and cultures [ ], states and organizations [ ], other references [ ], appendices [ ], related media [ ].

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• Killing Time (Star Trek novel) article at Wikipedia , the free encyclopedia.
• Killing Time article at Memory Alpha , the wiki for canon Star Trek .
• [1] A comparison between the two versions.
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Killing Time (Star Trek, No 24) Paperback – November 3, 1989

• Language English
• Publisher Star Trek
• Publication date November 3, 1989
• Dimensions 4.25 x 0.75 x 6.75 inches
• ISBN-10 0671705970
• ISBN-13 978-0671705978
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• Publisher ‏ : ‎ Star Trek (November 3, 1989)
• Language ‏ : ‎ English
• ISBN-10 ‏ : ‎ 0671705970
• ISBN-13 ‏ : ‎ 978-0671705978
• Item Weight ‏ : ‎ 5.6 ounces
• Dimensions ‏ : ‎ 4.25 x 0.75 x 6.75 inches
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Della van hise.

Della Van Hise is a native of Florida, transplanted to California at the age of 21, who has subsequently sunk her roots into the high desert near Joshua Tree National Park. She has not personally seen any aliens since around 1992, but there is rumored to be a secret UFO base underneath her house.

Della's writing started at age 11 on an old Smith Corona typewriter. No, not an electric one. A real antique, made of metal and heavier than a wet coffin. Her first professional sale was best-selling Killing Time - the controversial Star Trek novel which was recalled in 1984 (making the first edition a rare collector's item) - and which was the foundational plot for the Star Trek "Reboot" movie.

Altogether, there are 4 books in the Quantum Shaman series. In addition to Quantum Shaman (Diary of a Nagual Woman), there is also Scrawls On the Walls of the Soul (a continuation of the journey a few years later); Questions Along the Way (dialogs with seekers confronting the difficult questions raised by their own journey); and Into the Infinite (the author's personal experiences with the paranormal). If you enjoyed the works of Carlos Castaneda or Don Miguel Ruiz, you'll enjoy the non-fiction works of Della Van Hise.

In addition, Della has written professionally for Tomorrow Magazine and other prominent science fiction publications. Della shares her life with her significant other, Wendy Rathbone, and a variety of cats, dogs and desert wildlife.

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Open Letter by Della Van Hise Regarding "Killing Time"

Killing Time was a Star Trek pro book written by Della Van Hise .

It is notable in fandom for the supposed subtle K/S elements in the first edition, an edition that was quickly pulled by the publisher and replaced with a slightly different version.

The book fueled much fannish discussion in many letterzines and elsewhere, and continues to be a topic of interest. See Killing Time for more.

The author commented on her book in October/November 1985 in Datazine #38, and again April 1986 in an open letter to Interstat #102.

Van Hise's Comments in 1985

In October/November 1985, the author explained why there may be different versions of the novel:

Friends, First of all, I would like to thank everyone who has written with comments on my recent professional STAR TREK publication, KILLING TIME. I will be trying to answer all who have written personally, but wanted to take this opportunity to clear up some of the rumors and misunderstandings about the book itself. There have been a variety of rumors concerning KILLING TIME, most of which are quite amusing. As many of you know, KT was temporarily unavailable in many areas. There are several reasons for this, none of which are quite as exciting as the rumors have made it sound. In a nutshell, the unedited manuscript was inadvertently put into print. As most writers are probably aware, a book goes through many different stages in pre-production, and this is especially true with anything which bears the STAR TREK trademark. KILLING TIME had at least three different editors at the publishing house, plus an addition editor at Paramount, plus the copy-editor. Each of those editors is responsible for certain aspects of the publication, and each has a contribution to make to the final product which appears on the shelf. To my understanding, what happened was that an earlier version of the manuscript went into print -- a version which did not reflect the changes requested by one or more of the editors. After the book was in print and headed for the Best Seller's list, the error was discovered. What happened then was that the book had to be re-edited, and it my understanding that it has now been re-printed and is available in many bookstores. Regarding the rumor that it was 'pulled because of questionable material,' to my knowledge, this simply isn't accurate. I've also heard that it was pulled because the plot was too close to the fourth movie -- a rumor which is among the funniest to date. In my personal opinion, and not to reflect upon the views of Paramount, Pocket Books or anyone other than myself, there is 'questionable material' in any publication -- as well there should be. If all writing was done by formula and told us what we already know, then nothing is done to advance the characters or the imagination or the readers. In addition, I would also like to point out that most people see exactly what they want to see. If someone went looking for 'questionable material,' in KILLING TIME, they could find it. But the same can certainly be said most works of literature throughout the ages. Just as beauty is in supposedly in the mind of the beholder, so is questionable material. I hope this clears up some of the rumors and gives everyone a better understanding of what's been happening with KILLING TIME. Again, thanks to everyone who has written. I really do appreciate your input. Peace in IDIC. [1]

Van Hise's Comments in 1986

Her April 1986 open letter to Interstat #102:

Ghods, am I honored to be the center of so much attention! At this point, it seems that more speculation,
 controversy, heresay and comment has been printed regarding KILLING TIME than on any other Star Trek publication in professional history! In fact, more pages have been written about the book than there are pages in the book. It's nice to know that a lot of people have devoted hours of "close study" to both versions in an effort to understand "what's going on." (Quotes reflective of statements by A.C. Crispin in last month's INTERSTAT .) Unfortunately, a lot of what's been written is not only amusing, but downright erroneous. What further amuses me is that no one has bothered to ask me about any of this before making seemingly authorized statements. As I have never met Ms. Crispin, I find it somewhat funny to read her letter which tells "the truth about KILLING TIME." While some of her statements are basically correct as to what occurred with the foul-up in printing the unedited manuscript, her subsequent conjectures are absolutely false. (Of course, I've met a few people who still believe John F. Kennedy is still alive and living in the basement of the White House — because they "heard it from a reliable source.") So it's easy to see how rumors start and are fueled. As to "the truth about KILLING TIME," it is simply this: The wrong manuscript was published, yes. And there are several reasons as to why this happened. As some of you may know, KILLING TIME was with Pocket Books for over four years before it was eventually put into print. And a lot can happen in four years. World governments can change power several times during that time span. So can editors and editorial assistants. And, in all that confusion, manuscripts have a tendency to be shuffled around, pages can be lost, entire chapters can be sent to Libya instead of Paramount Pictures, and the writer could be involved in 87.006 other projects by the time the book goes into active production. KILLING TIME had 4 different editors from start to finish. And a different editor is at Pocket Books now. At any rate, when I received the corrected manuscript from Karen Haas, her accompanying letter stated: "If there is anything crossed out in black, it was in some way objectionable to Paramount and should be edited accordingly." The key word is "If". I read through the manuscript, and found one seemingly irrelevant passage crossed out in such a fashion — a reference to Kirk's face reddening because of some statement McCoy made. My immediate reaction upon completing the read-through was, "Hmmmm. Paramount let the crack about the Red Shirts get through, and maybe we're finally going to see more books where the characters can talk like real people instead of using expletives like, 'Oh, darn,' or 'those horrible, nasty Klingons,' and so on." Since there was the one thing crossed out, I had no reason to assume that anything was amiss. Nonetheless, I commented to Karen about this, wanting to be sure. Her reaction was about the same as mine. And I must point out that Karen came into this well after KT had been in the editing stages. The former editor (Mimi Panitch) had done the initial edit on the book, and when she left, Karen came into an existing situation. At any rate, after being assured that there was no problem, I promptly went on with other projects until the galleys arrived nearly a month later. I did the required proof-reading of the galleys, searching for continuity problems, missing chapters or paragraphs and so on. Everything seemed in order, and all of the changes which had been made on the edited manuscript were reflected in the galleys. I had been assured that KT had been seen by Paramount twice already — once under Mimi's editorship and again when Karen took over. (It seems that the Paramount-edited manuscript had been "misplaced" during the change of editors, and Karen had to send it to the studio yet again — delaying publication by a few months. KT was originally scheduled for an April release, and was pushed back to June/July.) So, for all I knew, KT had made the coast-to-coast trip twice. After the book was in print, it wasn't until it was #4 on the Best Seller's List that the problem was discovered. And it was a week after that before I found about about it — quite by accident, when my agent phoned to inquire as to the status of another book she had with Pocket Books. And, despite Ms. Crispin's statement "So, no matter how she personally felt about the editing, Ms. Van Hise obviously agreed to the changes," I was at no time consulted after the foul-up was discovered. I was, quite simply, informed that there was a problem, and that the book was being put on hiatus until it could be re-edited by Paramount and Pocket Books, respectively. I agreed to nothing, for the simple reason that I wasn't asked. I point this out primarily to enforce my feelings that no writer is qualified to speak for another, and is certainly not authorized to make public statements. I'm perfectly capable of speaking for myself and for KILLING TIME, and am simply surprised and amused that no one bothered to ask me what happened before putting heresay into print. As to my "feelings on the editing," I really don't care. Star Trek is the property of Paramount Pictures. The contract which all professional Star Trek writers sign says so in plain, simple English. Paramount has the final say, and is therefore qualified to make whatever changes they deem fit. Period. I understood that when I signed the contract, and my understanding hasn't changed. And as to the "edited-out" material, it was a lot of things. Personally, I am too involved in other professional writing commitments to "make a close study of both versions," though I know from close acquaintances who have made such a study that some of the edited-out material was nothing more than 4-letter words, any references to Kirk and Spock touching (though I still fail to understand how a mind-meld can be accomplished by a touch-telepath without touching), and word changes which made little difference one way or the other. (For example, the words "slim waist" were changed to "slender build." Not much difference, really.) As to the "infamous sentence on the first page" (quote reflecting [Linda S's] comments), I would like to state that this and a lot of other sentences are reflective of the editor who originally contracted for KT. Personally, I thought that sentence was enough to choke any self-respecting horse, as it was the culmination of three different sentences being thrown together. I did argue with the original editor over some of this, but was told something along the lines of: "It has such a greater impact the way we did it." Well...the results are obvious. Fortunately, KT was written over 5 years ago, and my writing has hopefully improved a lot in that time. I view KT as a beginning which any professional writer has to have somewhere. (While it wasn't the first professional sale, KT was my first pro novel.) I would strongly encourage all writers to simply keep at it . Unlike those insecure souls who say, "It can't be done, you can't write for the professional Trek market," I think there's adequate proof that fans can and should be actively involved. After all, if Jean Lorrah or Jacqueline Lichtenberg had listened to the "You-can't-do-it" faction, fandom would be without a lot of fine publications and wonderful ideas. Finally, I hope that all Trekkers will hold onto their dreams — will go back and reassess the feelings which originally led them to Trek in the first place. By doing so, perhaps it will be possible to recapture the concept of IDIC ( Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations ). By adopting this attitude, I think that long-winded controversies would be reduced to their proper perspective, and we could all get on with what Trek should be, what Gene Roddenberry originally envisioned. If Trek is meant to represent the future, maybe we would all be well advised to leave our bitterness, our anger, and our controversies in the past. [2]

Reactions and Reviews

Michele A (May 1986):

It was great to have the record set straight in last issue regarding KILLING TIME. I wondered how and why someone else was speaking for Delia Van Hise a couple issues back; the fact that the author of the letter ran right out and bought a dozen copies to sell at a profit was very telling though. Of course, I was as curious as the next person about what really happened concerning the publishing of that book, but I'm much more appreciative of the information coming straight from the source instead of someone not even involved. Also, thanks to Della for her kind words at the end of her letter to all of us folks still trying to hold on to the Trek "dream." [3]

A.C. Crispin (May 1986) comments on comments Crispin made in the February 1986 issue of Interstat :

I never made any "veiled negative comments" about the quality of KILLING TIME. I made no comment, for precisely the reason stated. Whether it's in front of con audiences, or in INTERSTAT, I don't comment on the other pro Trek novels. (I believe I may have said I enjoyed THE VULCAN ACADEMY MURDERS , because Jean is a personal friend and "enjoy" is a pretty inoffensive term.) I don't comment not because I don't necessarily like them, but because I don't think it's right to do so in a public forum. I generally keep my opinions, both positive and negative, to myself, unless I'm speaking directly to the writer involved. I want to publicly apologize to Della Van Hise . I didn't realize you were an INTERSTAT reader, or I would have kept silent. The version of the KT story I recounted was told to me by Karen Haas, and, as you say, was apparently correct as to the bare facts. But you are right, of course — I shouldn't have theorized as to your motives, thoughts, or actions. The only reason I said anything was to make the point that your book had not been subject to censoring by Paramount after it had already been published. What happened was obviously just one of those things, and I reiterate my sincerest apologies and wish you the best of luck with further books, in or out of the Trek universe. I hope we meet someday, so I can beg your forgiveness in person. [4]

• ^ from Della Van Hise in Datazine #38
• ^ April 1986, Van Hise's open letter to Interstat #102
• ^ from Interstat #103
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Killing Time

A novel composed of books called 'killing time' – work in progress.

This is a list of all titles called ‘Killing time’ that I have identifed so far. Books are ordered by publication date, oldest first. Reference numbers (in square brackets) were arbitrarily assigned (with the exception of [1], which is the book that started it all off).

• K.T., Westlake, Donald [18] († December 31, 2008) (1962, crime): “Killing Time” is narrated by Tim Smith, a private investigator living and working in the small town of Winston. Tim is eating in a diner late one night when a stranger enters, pulls a gun and attempts to kill him. Pretty soon after that the assailant is himself shot dead by a gunman across the street, leaving Tim wondering who in Winston would want to see him dead, and just as importantly, why. Part of the answer comes with the arrival in Winston of Paul Masetti, an agent of a reform group called the Citizens for Clean Government. Having cleaned up Monequois and New Hamburg, the CCG have set their sights on Winston, and Masetti wants Tim to provide information on corruption in the town.
• K.T., Berger, Thomas [8] (1967, Crime): The novel opens as Arthur and Betty Bayson, arriving at her mother’s home for their annual Christmas Eve dinner, stumble on the murdered bodies of Betty’s mother and sister, as well as that of the household’s current boarder.
• K.T., Warner, Francis [26] (1967, Play): Killing Time, the centrepiece of Francis Warner’s war trilogy REQUIEM, is a study of war and its roots in each of us. ‘Set in the human brain, it is a series of vignettes on the subject of war, all carefully counterpointed to reflect the biological working patterns of the brain. Not so much a play as a theatrical poem or mathematical theorem, it is unashamedly intellectual, frequently provoking and always demanding.’ (The Stage)
• K.T., Fawkes, Sandy [6] († Dec 26, 2005) (1977, non-fiction, autobiography): The female author was a journalist who had a brief affair with the serial killer, not realizing who or what he was. She later said he kept her alive as she was a source of publicity for him. A true sociopath, he craved the limelight. Rarely are we provided with such a close perspective by an accomplished writer.
• K.T., (4) Jackson, Bruce [4] (1977, non-fiction). Life in the Arkansas Penitentiary – with b/w-photos
• Hawk 4: K.T., Brady, William S [7] (real name Harvey, John ) (1980, western): A paperback original western from the popular crime writer.
• K.T., van Hise, Della [17] (1985, science fiction, Star trek novel). Second History: a Romulan time-tampering project that has transported the Enterprise and the galaxy into an alternate dimension of reality. Now, Kirk is an embittered young ensign and Spock is a besieged Starship commander. Lured into a Romulan trap, Captain Spock and Ensign Kirk must free themselves from both their captors and their own altered selves…before the galaxy hurtles toward total destruction!
• K.T., Fellowes, Noel [16] (1986, non-fiction, autobiography): This book tells the story of an ex-policeman, Noel Fellowes. He was gaoled in 1970 by a Lancashire court for the murder of Harold Parkinson, a killing he never did – and how he learned to forgive.
• K.T., Windsor, Patricia [12] (1987, crime). Killing time is a psychological novel about crime. The hero, Joseph Detweiler, is the world’s most courteous, sensitive, sincere and likable killer. He is even innocent of the fact that a crime has been committed. This tough and bizarre story breaks all the rules. It is not a whodunit, because the killer is already known. It is not a detective story or a sociological treatise on crime, because it is told from the point of view of the criminal.
• K.T., Conley, Robert J [13] (1988, western). An Evans novel of the west. Sergeant Bluff Luton receives a message and…
• K.T., Laiken, Deidre [28] (1990, novel. Apparently also published – unchanged? – a year later under the title ‘Killing time in Buffalo’ – author name changed to Deidre S. Laiken). Blurb on dust jacket: “ Killing Time is a haunting, disturbing novel of madness, love, betrayal and murder from the author of the powerful Death among Strangers , which won the Edgar Award for first best novel.”
• K.T. – The Senseless Murder of Joseph Fritch. Hemsworth, Wade [19] (1994, non-fiction). Illustrated with black and white photographs. The Chapters are: The Crime; Steve Olah: Bully to Brilliant Psychopath; Jamie Ruston: Contents Under Pressure; Like Gasoline and a Match; Steve’s Last Cry for Help; The Big Job; We Just Did It to Have a Good Time; And Then There Were Two; The Crown’s Jewel; The Voice Said Kill Kill Kill; Jamies Tears; The Jury Decides; Jamie’s Fate; and Why the Hell Don’t They Act on It.
• K.T. The authobiography of Paul Feyerabend, Feyerabend, Paul [1] (1994, autobiography): Killing Time is the story of Paul Feyerabend’s life. Finished only weeks before his death in 1994, it is the self-portrait of one of this century’s most original and influential intellectuals. Trained in physics and astronomy, Feyerabend was best known as a philosopher of science. But he emphatically was not a builder of theories or a writer of rules. Rather, his fame was in powerful, plain-spoken critiques of “big” science and “big” philosophy.
• K.T., Smith, Murray [2] (1996): Tells the story of a young man, who, against all advice, decides to take action against one particular man whom he and millions of others regard as a monster, and how, against all odds, he succeeds. Graeme McQuade is being trained as a young intelligence officer with one year in the firm.
• K.T. The First Full Investigation into the Unsolved Murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. Freed, Donald [3] (1996, non-fiction). Who murdered Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman? The first full investigation, with startling new evidence.
• K.T. A Nikki Jaeger Mystery. Schell, Karen [11] (real name  Turner, Robert Griffith ) (1997)
• K.T. Harrod-Eagles, Cynthia [9] (1998, crime). By the author of “Blood Lines”, this is a Bill Slider mystery in which he investigates the death of gay dancer Jay Paloma. Slider feels his death is in some way linked to the attack on the community copper, but how and why will lead him into some curious byways and cul-de-sacs.
• K.T., Carr, Caleb [23] (2000, Science Fiction): It’s 2023, and the Web has almost destroyed the world. While cyberspace’s early pioneers promoted the Net as a revolution in human communication, America has instead become a society of desk-bound introverts who believe everything they read. The federal government has been “bought” by a Microsoft-style corporation. Any semblance of central authority has vanished. As the Net infiltrates India and Pakistan, fevered nationalists and terrorists find one more medium through which to spread the word.
• K.T., Tallis, Frank [5] (2000, art mystery): As the novel opens, we learn that Tom’s girlfriend, Anna, is missing. Tom slowly unravels the events which have led to her disappearance. We also learn of his singular obsessions – the reconstruction of a time machine, and his secret work on violent and pornographic software.
• K.T. Wickes, David [22]  (2001, crime). Lieutenant Jack Petersen, a homicide detective, chases a serial killer in rural Minnesota. Fast action and suspense throughout. Plot twists and chapter ending cliffs keep the reader on edge to the end.
• K.T. An investigation into the death-row case of Mumia Abu-Jamal. Lindorff, Dave [15] (2002)
• Invisible Detective: K.T., Justin Richards [27] (2003, children’s mystery): Cornwall, Today: Arthur Drake finally has time to think about the Invisible Detective and a past life that seems somehow linked to his own. But then he meets the ghosts of sailors shipwrecked over a century ago…London, 1937: Whatever your problem, the Invisible Detective can find the answer. Only four children know the truth about this mysterious private investigator…
• K.T. Melia, Paul [10] (2005, crime), Kessinger Publishing. 84-year-old Joseph Clancy has been found brutally murdered in a fishing hut near to Lindsey Ridge. The killer used asphyxiation as his execution weapon.Inspector Abaline has been handed the task of apprehending the perpetrator. But with the added presence of Abaline’s close personal friendship with the victim, emotions are running high.The Inspector knows that he must keep his own feelings contained if he is going to succeed in catching Joseph’s slayer.
• K.T. Schachte, Hank [30] (2005), New Star Books.
• KT., Howard, Linda [21] (real name Howington, Linda S) ) (2006, science fiction / crime): In 1985, with much fanfare, a time capsule was buried under the front lawn of a small-town county courthouse, to be reopened in 2085. But just twenty years later, in the dead of night, the capsule is dug up, its contents stolen. That same night, one of the contributors to the capsule is brutally slain in his home–with no sign of forced entry or indication of a struggle. One by one, others who had placed items in the time capsule are murdered.
• K.T.: An 18-Year Odyssey from Death Row to Freedom. Hollway, John   &   Gauthier, Ronald M [14]  (2010, non-fiction): In 1984, John Thompson was convicted and sentenced to death for the murder of a prominent white man in New Orleans, Louisiana. He was sent to Angola Prison and confined to his cell for twenty-three hours a day. However, Thompson adamantly proclaimed his innocence and just needed lawyers who believed that his trial had been mishandled and would step up to the plate against the powerful DA’s office. But who would fight for Thompson’s innocence when he didn’t have an alibi for the night of the murder and there were two key witnesses to confirm his guilt?
• K.T., Dow, David R [20] (2011, non-fiction): David Dow is a leading death row attorney in Texas, where 99 per cent of appeals are rejected. He knows his clients are guilty, but he defends them because he believes murder is wrong. Henry Quaker is a quiet man, charged with murdering his childhood sweetheart and their two children. All the evidence is against him: he’s mentally unstable, his gun is missing, his son’s blood was found in his car, and he’d taken out life insurance on his family immediately before their murder. But as Dow painstakingly pieces the case together, he gradually becomes convinced that Quaker – whose execution is just weeks away – is actually innocent.
• K.T., White, Daisy [29] (2012): “The world’s gonna end on April fourteenth? Yeah right! – Seventeen year old ALIA finds herself mysteriously drawn to the new kid in school, ZAC, and she knows it isn’t because of his sporting prowess, or even his good looks; this is deeper, and freakier.” (beginning of back cover text)
• K.T., Dalrymple, Marcus [31] (2012, fiction – designated as ‘true fiction’): When a young British tourist is kidnapped whilst travelling in southern Mexico, a chain of events is set in motion, culminating with tragic consequences in the rugged mountains of the Sierra Madre.
• K.T., Gerard, Cindy [24] (2013, fiction): Eva Salinas lures Mike Brown from the sultry streets of Lima, Peru, to the desolate Idaho wilderness on the hunt for the cold-blooded traitor behind a fatal military operation that haunts them both.
• K.T., Kerr, John [25] (2013, fiction): Demarco Salis, a brutal mountain of a man from South Africa, enters the United Kingdom, and brings with him a group of mercenaries to inflict as much terror, pain and destruction as they can.
• K.T., Clancy, Joanne [32] (2013, fiction): Everybody makes choices, but choices have consequences – consequences that may cost Jack Martin his life. Jack is forced to deal with the past, while desperately trying to balance the present, but he is running out of time… killing time.

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• K.T. Archaeology and the First World War,  Saunders, Nicholas J  (2007, non-fiction): The passage of time has all but extinguished any living memory of the Great War of 1914-1918, but the experiences of those who fought in the trenches of the Somme and Flanders have since become epic history and the stuff of legend. Today, hardly a month passes without some dramatic and sometimes tragic discovery being made along the old killing fields of the Western Front. Graves of British soldiers buried during battle…

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Second History: a Romulan time-tampering project that has transported the Enterprise and the galaxy into an alternate dimension of reality. Now, Kirk is an embittered young ensign and Spock is a beseiged Starship commander. Lured into a Romulan trap, Captain Spock and Ensign Kirk must free themselves from both their captors and their own altered selves...before the galaxy hurtles toward total destruction!

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Although technically comprised of two films, Quentin Tarantino views his epic Kill Bill double-header as one movie in his ten-film rule. It was also supposed to be Tarantino's version of Sergio Leone's Dollars Trilogy , in which he intended to make a new entry every decade. His idea for Vol. 3 supposedly revolved around Beatrix Kiddo's final statement to Nikki, the daughter of her rival Vernita Green. Moments after killing Nikki's mother, the film's protagonist says, "When you grow up, if you still feel raw about it, I'll be waiting."

The waiting was supposed to take 10 years. Then, Tarantino realized that he needed 15 years for the actress who portrayed Nikki to grow into the role. 20 years after the film's release, Tarantino finally dismissed the idea of completing that story, preferring to concentrate on The Movie Critic as his tenth and final film. Now that that film is no longer happening, the door may once again be open for Kill Bill Vol. 3 .

Star Trek 4 Nearly Went Where No Star Trek Film Had Gone Before

Tarantino nearly crossed the final "r-rated" frontier, tarantino's star trek movie would've featured gangsters and time travel.

Out of all of Quentin Tarantino's unmade projects, Star Trek 4 is likely the most well-known. After the lackluster reaction to 2016's Star Trek Beyond, Paramount Pictures was desperate to turn around its flagship franchise and turned to Tarantino for help. A self-described massive fan of Chris Pine, Tarantino jumped at the chance, and the film gained a lot of traction.

While no one knows for sure what Quentin Tarantino's Star Trek would have been about, rumors suggest that it was going to adapt an episode from The Original Series titled "A Piece of the Action," in which the Enterprise landed on a planet fashioned after 1930s America. According to reports, Tarantino even finished the script for the project, co-written with Mark L. Smith, writer of The Revenant . With rumors swirling from the beginning that this would be an R-rated picture, fans were excited. Then, Tarantino got cold feet at the idea of ending his career with a franchise film , and Star Trek 4 went where many of Taratino's ideas have gone: the scrap bin.

Double V Vega Was the Sequel to Pulp Fiction Fans Never Got

What happens in amsterdam stays in amsterdam.

No other abandoned Quentin Tarantino project has as much history as his intended sequel to Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs , which was to be titled Double V Vega . The film would have brought together the two Vega brothers, Vic Vega (aka Mr. Blonde) and Vincent Vega, with Michael Madsen and John Travolta reprising their roles, respectively.

Throughout the '90s and early 2000s, Tarantino talked about this idea incessantly. However, according to the director himself, even though he loved the concept, he only had a few basic ideas for the plot. These ideas revolved around a nightclub that Vic owned in Amsterdam and were set right before the events of Pulp Fiction . Unfortunately, Tarantino had no idea where the film went from there. Now, his fans are in a similar situation regarding what Quentin Tarantino's tenth and final film will be. The one clear thing is that if he wants to return to the drawing board, the legendary director has a lot of ideas from which to draw.