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UltimateFIFA FIFA 13 Virtual Pro Accomplishments Tracker

Depending on how you feel about Virtual Pro Accomplishments , leveling up your Virtual Pro in FIFA Pro Clubs can be a rewarding or a long and arduous task. Either way, to make things easier for FIFA 13 we’ve released our FIFA 13 Virtual Pro Accomplishments Tracker .

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Please send me the tracker

Hi Alexander, if you subscribe it gets emailed to you automatically. :)

How to chage VP attacker to defender

where do you start your virtual pro on the game? i cant find it

The information on the srpeadsheet is incorrect

It’s not, the numbers to the left may differ as they change on your console as you get accomplishments but the accomplishments themselves are correct.

Then why when you see shooting there are over 100 to accomplish but you show half that number?

Does anyone know what a “seal out” is on the game and how to get the accomplishment? can’t figure it out.

you can understand to fifa 13 manual. Seal out is defender prevent attacker while running to get a ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mgQ68aRFqA it’s 34-36sec on that trailer.

How can you do a seal out? i try every which way and still cannot get a seal out?????

It took me ages to work them out and once i did i got them all within about an hour! So relieving cos it was driving me crazy! lol

i keep getting emails on creer mode telling me to calm down down or i’ll get banned, how do i calm down?

How do you subscribe- theres no form on the right ?

It’s in the sidebar on the right Joe. (The box with the big subscribe next to it ;))

Thx alot, excellent tool

No worries, glad it helps! :)

Is the only way to make your virtual pro better by completing the accomplishments? Or does your pro just automatically gets better when you start playing better like in fifa 12?

how would u get 20 throw in to get the colured wrist tape?? do u have to go to right back pr somethin

I’ve won three different league but still won’t unlock win the league accomplishment

Me either…. and from what I’ve read NOBODY can get it. I have no clue why these clowns have not fixed this in one of their updates.

Thanks man you’re a genius!

How to turn ur striker into a midfielder or defender. If we want to complete my mental accomplishments then i need to be a defender or midfielder to do d seal out or to assist to long balls and etc. Plz tell me how to do so. Thanks

You can’t. You can only select one position for each Career Mode.

how do they expect us to get all the accomplishments?

got the same problem, also the accompl of mental were you get position attack +3 (get 75 accomplishments of mental is impossible because there are just 71 for mental en you have to do many of them as defender. and you can’t switch to defender witch makes virtual pro fifa 13 pretty lame to be hounest, and je can’t play your virtual pro with manager mode or in a quick match. they really fucktup this time (field play is much better thou.)

Olha como se entra no jogo para jogar.

How do you access the “New celebration 1, 2, 3, etc…” from the traits and celebrations accomplishments?

Whats the maximum overall for a virtual pro striker?

How can I put my ONLINE PRO on Arena?

how do you unlock silver hair on fifa 13 proclubs

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Initially, this amazing calculator was developed especially for athletes, cyclists or joggers. However, all people who are required due to their activities to calculate an unknown variable with the help of the other two variables, will find use in it. You can use it in two ways. First, enter two particular variables in order to find the third one. Second, you may find the variable by entering the details.

Time can be entered as hh:mm:ss , mm:ss or ss (hh=hours mm=minutes ss=seconds).

Example Time Formats:

• 1:20:45 = 1 hour, 20 minutes and 45 seconds
• 18:25 = 18 minutes and 25 seconds
• 198 = 198 seconds = 3 minutes and 18 seconds

Speed: miles yards feet inches kilometers meters centimeters per hour minute second

Distance: miles yards feet inches kilometers meters centimeters millimeters

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Distance = Speed multiplied by Time

Time = Distance divided by Speed

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This golf club distance chart will help provide you with a guide to how far you should hit your golf clubs. You’ll also be able to tell what level you’re at compared to the pros and how increasing your swing speed will impact your yardage.

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Golf Club Distance Chart by Swing Speed

This table from Trackman shows the average distance for golf clubs based on the swing speed of a driver. Of course, your distances will vary based on how well you’re striking the ball, but this cheat sheet should give you a good idea of how far you can expect your clubs to go when hit well.

Note that these are carry numbers. So you might expect from 0-10 yards of extra distance depending on the club, how it’s struck, and where it lands.

Printable Golf Club Distance Chart

If you’d like to print this chart out, click on the image below or download this golf club distance chart pdf .

Average Swing Speed by Player Type

Here are the average swing speeds by type of player. These numbers vary widely, especially among amateurs, but they can give you an idea of where you stand among your peers.

Average Swing Speed by Handicap

The distance you can hit your clubs directly correlates with your potential handicap. Of course, your actual handicap number will vary based on all the factors of your game, but these are the expected averages for males and females.

Average Driver Distance by Age

The table below shows the average driving distance by age. Your actual numbers will vary based on your fitness and skill. As people age, they tend to lose fast twitch muscle fiber and flexibility unless they’re actively working to maintain them.

How to Find Your Driver Swing Speed

There are several ways to find your swing speed to place yourself on this chart.

The simplest way is to get the yardage for one of your clubs, such as the driver, and match that yardage to the chart. You should find one of the columns closely matches your yardages. Ensure you’re tracking average yardage and not your best drive to get accurate numbers.

Here are several other ways:

• Use a golf simulator to get an accurate swing speed number. A device like a Trackman or a Skytrak should be able to provide you with this data. If you don’t have a simulator, you may be able to find somewhere nearby where you can rent time in a simulator bay.
• Use a launch monitor like the PRGR (around $200), which accurately measures speed.

How to Make Your Own Club Distance Card

To make your own club distance card, you’ll need to start by measuring each club’s carry and/or total distance. There are several ways to get this data:

• A golf simulator (you can rent simulator time if you don’t have access)
• A launch monitor (such as the PRGR mentioned above)
• A golf tracker (such as the Arccos Caddie )
• A range finder and some time at the driving range (this approach is less precise and takes extra effort)

Choose which data is most helpful. For example, carry distances are useful for hitting a green or ensuring you can get over trouble, and the total distance helps you know your range. You can also track distances for partial swings (like a 1/4, 1/2, or 3/4 wedge).

After you’ve gathered all the numbers, there are several ways you can use them to make your club choices easier on the course:

• Paper – the most basic way is to write them down on some note paper; you can use the templates below for an idea of what to write down.
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• Print Out – we’ve included some sample templates below to give you ideas on how to design a card.

Once you have your distance card, you can laminate and carry it, put it in a scorecard holder, attach it to your bag with a bag tag holder , or tape it to your push cart.

You should expect to hit a 7-iron between 130 and 160 yards. Each iron should vary by about 8 to 10 yards (e.g., if your 7 goes 150, your 8 should go around 140). This will change depending on your swing speed, which is related to your technique, flexibility, fitness, and height.

An average male swings the driver at 94 mph, traveling around 240 yards. However, most amateurs don’t hit the ball perfectly, so this will often fall short of this potential yardage when mishit. A PGA Tour player hits the driver an average of 295 yards (some are much longer, like DeChambeau at 320 yds). An LPGA player drives the ball around 240 yards in total.

In 2021 Kyle Berkshire hit a ball speed of 233.4 mph with a swing speed of 153.3 mph. His swing speeds have been slightly higher, but ball speed ultimately factors most into the distance.

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Last check, my golf swing speed has been around 98 to 100mph. So as a reference I hit my 7-Iron about 165yds on average, pitching wedge would be 130 to 140yds and driver 230 to 260yds depending upon contact and degree of flight. I can handle tee spots up to 6700 to 6800yds. However, my wife thinks I should “play-up” because my scores are “mid 90’s on challenging course, but my issues have always been the short game, not distance. What do you suggest?

Regarding John Hartmann’s comment….play the tees where you have the most fun. If all your buddies are playing from the same tees as you maybe you want to just keep playing those same tees with your friends. Most of us are just playing for fun. Play where you have the most fun but if I were you I’d at least give it a try moving up. 6800 yards is a lot of golf course for weekend golfers. Who knows, you might have more fun making lower scores from closer tees.

Yeah, play whichever tees you like, but like SS said 6800 is probably a lot if you’re not hitting a driver at least 260+… if you take a look at the par 3 distances, and shots you may have to hit into greens on a 2nd or third shot (after subtracting your avg driver distance) it’ll help you figure out what to play. I’m going to have a lot more fun hitting irons into a green and having some birdie chances then if I’m always trying to crank a fairway wood in and missing or having long putts.

I’m 80 years old and hit my driver pretty consistently 200-210. Since moving to the up tees I have had so much more fun. Now it’s driver and a medium iron rather than driver, fairway wood, pitching wedge. Having a chance to make some birdies makes all the difference in enjoyment for me.

Speed Distance Time Calculator

Please enter the speed and distance values to calculate the travel time in hours, minutes and seconds.

About Speed Distance Time Calculator

This online calculator tool can be a great help for calculating time basing on such physical concepts as speed and distance. Therefore, in order to calculate the time, both distance and speed parameters must be entered. For the speed , you need to enter its value and select speed unit by using the scroll down menu in the calculator. For distance , you should enter its value and also select the proper length measurement unit from the scroll down menu. You'll receive the result in standard time format (HH:MM:SS).

Time Speed Distance Formula

Distance is equal to speed × time. Time is equal Distance/Speed.

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One of the best tools I've found for the calculations.

Going 65mph for 30 seconds how far would you get? None of these formulas work without distance. How would I find the distance from time and speed?

if i travel 0.01 inches per second and I need to travel 999999999 kilometers, it takes 556722071 Days and 20:24:34 WHAT

4. How long does it take to do 100m at 3kph ? No I thought you would just divide 100 ÷ 3 = which 33.33333 so 33 seconds or so I thought. But apparently it 2 mins.

This was the best tool ive ever used that was on point from speed to distance and time Calculator

This was somewhat unhelpful as I know the time and distance, but not the speed. Would be helpful if this calculator also could solve the other two as well.

If a total distance of 2 miles is driven, with the first mile being driven at a speed of 15mph, and the second mile driven at a speed of 45 mph: What is the average speed of the full 2 mile trip?

hi sorry im newly introduced to this and i dont understand how to use it but in need to find the distance if i was travelling in the average speed of 15km/hr in 4 hours how far would i travel

D= 697 km T= 8 hours and 12 minutes S= ?

if a train is going 130 miles in 50 minutes, how fast is it going in miles per hour ??

whats the speed if you travel 2000 miles in 20hours?

How long would it take me to drive to Mars at 100 miles per hour and how much gas would I use in a 2000 Ford Mustang000000/ Also, how much CO2 would I release into the air?

great tool helped me alot

A car can go from rest to 45 km/hr in 5 seconds. What is its acceleration?

Guys how much time will a cyclist take to cover 132 METRES With a speed of 8 km/ph

@Mike Depends on how fast that actually is. For every 10 mph above 60, but below 120, you save 5 seconds a mile. But between the 30-60 area, every ten saves 10 seconds a mile (if I am remembering correctly), and every 10 between 15-30 is 20 seconds. Realistically, it isn't likely isn't worth it, unless it is a relatively straight drive with no stops, in which case you will likely go up a gear for the drive and thus improve gas efficiency for the trip. Only really saves time if it is over long trips 300+ miles (in which case, assuming you were on the interstate) that 5 seconds a mile would save you 25 minutes from the drive, making it go from 4h35m to 4h10m. For me, I have family across the U.S., so family visits are usually 900-1400 miles. Even only driving 5 above usually saves me 90-150 minutes or so (since I often have stretches where I drive on US highways which have 55 mph speed limits)

I would like to know if driving fast is worth it for short trips. If I drive 10 MPH over the speed limit for 10 miles, how much time do i save ? Is there an equation for that ?

it helps me in lot of stuff

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Use this ballistic calculator in order to calculate the flight path of a bullet given the shooting parameters that meet your conditions. This calculator will produce a ballistic trajectory chart that shows the bullet drop, bullet energy, windage, and velocity. It will a produce a line graph showing the bullet drop and flight path of the bullet. By adding trajectories to the panel on the right you may produce charts and graphs that show the different trajectories side by side. This can be useful in comparing cartridges or loads.

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Use this speed calculator to easily calculate the average speed, distance travelled and the trip duration of a vehicle: car, bus, train, bike, motorcycle, plane etc. Works with miles, feet, kilometers, meters, etc..

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    Speed, Distance & Time Calculation

In order to use the above speed, distance & time calculator, or do such math on your own, you will need to know two out of three metrics: speed, distance, time. You will need to convert the metrics to the same time and distance units, e.g. miles, kilometers, meters, yards, feet, and hours, minutes or seconds. For example, if you have speed in mph (miles per hour), time should also be in hours. If you have distance in kilometers, then speed should also be in km/h (kilometers per hour).

The unit of the result will depend on the units you input, but our speed calculator will conveniently display additional units where appropriate.

    Average Speed formula

The formula for average speed, also called average velocity in physics and engineering, is:

where v is the velocity, d is the distance, and t is the time, so you can read it as Speed = Distance / Time . As noted above, make sure you convert the units appropriately first, or use our speed calculator which does that automatically. The resulting unit will depend on the units for both time and distance, so if your input was in miles and hours, the speed will be in mph. If it was in meters and seconds, it will be in m/s (meters per second).

Example: If you took a plane from New York to Los Angeles and the flight was 5 hours of air time, what was the speed of the plane, given that the flight path was 2450 miles? The answer is 2450 / 5 = 490 mph (miles per hour) average speed. If you want the result in km/h, you can convert from miles to km to get 788.58 km/h.

    Distance formula

The formula for distance, if you know time (duration) and the average speed, is:

Example: If a truck travelled at an average speed of 80 km per hour for 4 hours, how many miles did it cover in that time? To find the miles covered, first, calculate 80 * 4 = 320 km, then convert km to miles by dividing by 1.6093 or by using our km to miles converter to get the answer: 198.84 miles.

    Duration (Time) formula

The time, or more precisely, the duration of the trip, can be calculated knowing the distance and the average speed using the formula:

where d is the distance travelled, v is the speed (velocity) and t is the time, so you can read it as Time = Distance / Speed . Make sure you convert the units so both their distance and time components match, or use our trip duration calculator above which will handle conversions automatically. For example, if you have distance in miles and speed in km/h, you will need to convert speed to mph or distance to kilometers. The time unit of the result will match the time unit of the speed measure, so if it is measured in something per hour, the result will be in hours. If it is measured in some unit per second, the result will be in seconds.

Example: If a train can travel 500 miles with an average speed of 50 miles per hour, how long it would take it to complete a 500-mile route? To find the answer, use the formula and substitute the values, resulting in 500 / 50 = 10 hours.

    How to calculate the average speed of a car?

Say you travelled a certain distance with a car or another vehicle and you want to calculate what its average speed was. The easiest way to do that would be by using the calculator above, but if you prefer, you can also do the math yourself. Either way, you need to know the distance to a satisfactory approximation, for which you can use a map (e.g. Google Maps) to measure the distance from point to point. Make sure you measure closely to the path you took, and not via a straight line, unless you travelled by air in which case that would be a good approximation. Of course, having a GPS reading of the distance would be more precise. Then you need to know the travel time. Make sure you subtract any rests or stops you made from the total trip duration.

If the total distance travelled was 500 miles and the time it took you was 5 hours, then your average speed was 500 / 5 = 100 miles per hour (mph). If the distance was 300 kilometers and it took you 5 hours to cover it, your speed was 300 / 5 = 60 km/h (kilometers per hour).

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If you'd like to cite this online calculator resource and information as provided on the page, you can use the following citation: Georgiev G.Z., "Speed Distance Time Calculator" , [online] Available at: https://www.gigacalculator.com/calculators/speed-calculator.php URL [Accessed Date: 27 Apr, 2024].

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Bullet Travel Time Calculator

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Introduction

The Bullet Travel Time Calculator is a handy tool for shooting enthusiasts and professionals alike. Whether you’re a hunter, competitive shooter, or simply curious about the dynamics of bullet travel, this calculator can help you determine the time it takes for a bullet to reach its target. In this guide, we’ll walk you through how to use the calculator, provide the formula for calculating bullet travel time, offer a real-world example, and address common questions in the FAQs section.

Using the Bullet Travel Time Calculator is straightforward. Follow these steps:

• Enter the total bullet distance (in feet) that you want to calculate the travel time for.
• Input the average bullet velocity (in feet per second, fps) for the specific bullet you’re interested in.
• Click the “Calculate” button.

The calculator will then display the bullet travel time in seconds.

The formula to calculate bullet travel time (BTT) is as follows:

BTT = D / V

• BTT stands for Bullet Travel Time (in seconds)
• D represents the total bullet distance (in feet)
• V is the average bullet velocity (in feet per second, fps)

Let’s illustrate how to use the formula with a real-world example:

Suppose you have a bullet that needs to travel a total distance of 300 feet, and its average velocity is 2,500 fps.

Using the formula:

BTT = 300 / 2,500 = 0.12 seconds

So, the bullet travel time for this scenario is 0.12 seconds.

Q1: Is this calculator suitable for all types of bullets?

A1: Yes, the Bullet Travel Time Calculator is applicable to all types of bullets as long as you have the total distance and average velocity.

Q2: How accurate is the calculated travel time?

A2: The calculated travel time is accurate for basic ballistic calculations. However, it may not account for certain variables such as air resistance, wind, or bullet shape.

Q3: Can I use this calculator for long-range shooting?

A3: Yes, you can use it for long-range shooting, but keep in mind that it provides a simplified estimate and doesn’t consider advanced ballistic factors.

The Bullet Travel Time Calculator is a valuable tool for anyone interested in understanding how long it takes for a bullet to reach its target. By inputting the total bullet distance and average bullet velocity, you can quickly determine the bullet’s travel time in seconds. While this calculator simplifies the process, it’s important to remember that it doesn’t account for all external factors that may affect real-world ballistics. Nonetheless, it’s a great starting point for estimating bullet travel time.

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Smith said: “This is a swim workout that I find to be very efficient. There’s a good mix of drills and high cadence work throughout the set.”

After a 400 warm-up, you’ll hit the first of two main sets. In the first set (which you repeat twice) you’ll focus on stroke rate for the 5 x 100, trying to maintain as high a stroke rate as possible. You’ll then progress to 4 x 100 stroke count drill. With this drill, you should focus on each and every pull, making sure to catch and pull the water all the way past your thigh, keeping count of your strokes per lap and aiming to keep this number consistent with each 100 repeat.

On the second set, you start with a straight 500 swim with controlled stroke rate and a focus on breathing, making sure you’re not holding your breath but gradually exhaling into the water, turning your head to inhale, and then returning your face to the water. The next 3 x 100 focus on strong pull, before finishing with 300 pull with buoy and paddles. If you feel comfortable and proficient doing this, play with your breathing on this 300, breathing every 3, 5, 7 strokes by 25 (e.g. you breathe every three strokes on the first 25, every five strokes on the second 25, every seven strokes on the third 25). Also, you should only use paddles if this is something you typically include in your swim training. Wrap up the session with a 200 easy cool-down.

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Set 1: 5 x 100 swim, focusing on stroke rate, taking 15 sec. rest between each 100 4 x 100 stroke count drill, taking 15 sec. rest between each 100 Repeat twice

Set 2: 1 x 500 swim with controlled stroke rate and focus on breathing 3 x 100 swim focusing on strong pull 1 x 300 pull with pull buoy and paddles, breathing every 3, 5, 7, 9 strokes by 25

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I walk 9 holes most days after work and typically carry (it saves me time vs pulling out the push cart) but 14 clubs plus a regular weight bag does get a bit heavy. I have extra clubs and was thinking of building a slightly lighter bag (with something like a light stand bag: Cobra has one at 3.9 lbs). Plus, I played 18 the other day with 5 clubs (I was expecting to practice while at the in-laws house: range was closed so I played 18 and having 5 clubs only cost me maybe 3/4 strokes (shot an 82) on a 7100 yard course, so why not? I was playing 54/9/6/D/P, and the only real issues were coming up short on the par 5s approach and not being able to quite get to 210 yard par 3s with a 6-iron. Everything else was "swing easy" when I had 125 and only a 9-iron. 

I am thinking 11 clubs; 12 max. 

Clubs I need:

-Driver (one par 4 is 460 yards; a par 5 is 540 but gettable if I flush my driver and hit the downslope, which rolls out to 330).

-Some sort of 240-260 yard club (layup on hole 1 unless you are really really good/ballsy); hole 3 has water downslope/downwind at 290, hole 7 you want to be no shorter than 245 and no longer than 275; hit choked down 42.5" driver yesterday and it still blew through the fairway). 

-iron to carry 210 on long par 3 (5 or easy 4)

-iron to carry 170-185 (other par 3); 7 iron or perhaps 6. 

That leaves me 6 remaining clubs. What about 

54 degree (open face shots, bunkers, out to 115 full swing carry

48 degree (gap wedge, carry is high 120s

9-iron at 42 degrees: carry up to 155, but can easily get down to 130 with a 3/4 swing

OK, so now I have 

54/48/9i/7i/4i/fairway wood/Driver/putter

8 clubs total

What else, if anything? I can cover the 8-iron gap with a soft 7. With wind in my face, I have trouble getting the 175 yard par 3 with a 7-iron. The gap between 7 and 4 is large, but I maybe hit the 5-iron once if at all. Hybrid would be nice and may be go from shorter FW wood to a 3W, so that I have options should the wind be up in my face. I wouldn't mind trading out the 4-iron for a hybrid that I can choke down, but the last time I tried to hit that thing 215, I choked down nearly 3 inches, hit it pure, and it still flew 230. It just shows you the power of clubhead speed with a longer shaft vs. smash factor from hitting it really well. It is a pretty linear trade off for me! 

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Serious question: how much time is saved by not using a push cart? I walk most of my rounds and use a push cart, including the post-work evening 9 (or sometimes more). Aside from the 30 seconds it tak

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When I walk 9 I typically carry 3wd, 7wd, 5, 7, 9, SW, Putter. 

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If it were me I think I'd go with even number irons as a starting point... 4/6/8/PW.  Since the wind can change, that 7i you're taking specifically for one par three might be the wrong club a bunch of the times you play it, so I'd aim to be able to grip down or change trajectories as a way of filling the gaps between the irons. 

I'm currently not great with my driver and, for the most part my 3 wood works well for the courses I'd play, so I might go with a 13.5* version of my fairway for off the tee.  I'd keep my 17* hybrid or maybe get a 19* version of it to be able to fill the gap between 3w and 4 iron. 

On the short end I like both my 53* and 58* and use them for different purposes so I'd probably keep both.  And, of course I'd carry a putter.  That puts me at 9 clubs and I feel like there's no particularly weird gaps for any of the courses I'd play.

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Hey I did the same thing the other week! I decided to go with my two shortest wedges and then the odds 9/7/5/Driver/Putter. For me I filled the gap with a driving iron. I find it easy to lay off it a bit to get to 4i distance, can hit it farther off the tee and find myself in the trees enough to be comfortable hitting it down to 150 yds. I'd personally say add whatever your most versatile club is and then build around it. If its the fwy do the fwy but if you can use the hybrid more in different scenarios do that. I don't think you need to put more clubs in the bag though. 

My biggest issue was the bag, I went too minimal and had so much trouble with the grips at the bottom, need to rethink that part to make the operation smoother. 

This is where taking a spin down the minimalist thread might answer some of the questions you have. 

Dropping down to 12 clubs shouldn't be hard at all, 11, not much harder.  Do you really need to be trying to go for a 540y par 5, or would laying up still give you a decent chance at birdie and play to the strengths of a smaller setup?

My take on these is always have clubs that can reach the par 3s without having to manipulate shots too much.  Then you have clubs for those yardages into greens, and should be a repeatable swing through the round as you'll have around the same yardages.

Also depends on what the loft make up of your irons and wedges are.  I like the 8* gaps other than between my 54* and 58*.  I know I could likely drop one or the other, but like having the options.  I then have a 45*-48* PW (depends on which set I'm using) and go up from there.  So would be a PW, 8, 6, 4. 

7 clubs including a putter at this point.  Here I figure out what yardages each club will give me and see if they work (ballpark) with the iron gapping I have.  So I could do from a 18*-21* hybrid, 3 or a 4 wood and then driver.  10 clubs and I could still go 2 less without really hurting me.

This all is made easier when you have far too many clubs than you use and can drastically over think things...  I also change up the iron make up to go evens and then odds to change up my yardages and give different looks and have to think more than a rinse/repeat scenario you can find yourself in if you play the same course a lot.

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I didn’t have as much trouble building a half bag as I expected. And I also didn’t notice as significant of an impact to my scoring as I would have thought. For me, it was pretty simple.   

Driver and putter are non-negotiable, obviously. A versatile wedge and wood/hybrid. 5, 7, 9.   

If I were to really dive into it, I’m sure I could adapt it to be more suitable for specific courses or geared at certain yardages, but that’s what I came up with for my home course, which has a decent mix of everything. Length, hazards, trees, etc. 

You could also add a club or two… another wedge or a wood option. Maybe go evens instead of odds. I specifically wanted to limit myself to seven clubs though. Beyond that and I felt like I was defeating the idea behind the project.   

Would it be helpful to have a 3 wood? Sometimes. A specialty wedge around the green? Sure. Can you hit a variation of the same shot with an alternate club without suffering catastrophic results due to design, absolutely. After giving it a shot, I think a lot of players would benefit from playing a half bag, even temporarily. If want to learn how to manipulate the ball and “hit shots”, you’re putting your feet to the fire with the seven club bag. It’s a blast though. 

Serious question: how much time is saved by not using a push cart? I walk most of my rounds and use a push cart, including the post-work evening 9 (or sometimes more). Aside from the 30 seconds it takes me to put my bag on a push cart, and perhaps choosing different routes when walking around the green versus on the green, I can't fathom how much time is saved by using a partial set of clubs in a light bag versus a full set on a push cart.

I'm not trying to be funny or come off the wrong way, but I'm genuinely curious about the time savings.

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1 hour ago, LumpyPockets said: I'd put a pencil bag together and scoot up a set or two of tees and just play irons.  If you're blowing through 275 with choked down half swings why bother?  Not sure if you're at altitude but I've played for a bit and I've never seen distances like what is posted on this forum.  So you're tour length or longer. 

Half swing-not quite. The fairway is dried out hardpan, rollout is 50 yards unfortunately! But that is just that hole. Driver you need to hit 230 and hope it doesn't roll too far.  

50 minutes ago, GeauxGolfLSU said: Serious question: how much time is saved by not using a push cart? I walk most of my rounds and use a push cart, including the post-work evening 9 (or sometimes more). Aside from the 30 seconds it takes me to put my bag on a push cart, and perhaps choosing different routes when walking around the green versus on the green, I can't fathom how much time is saved by using a partial set of clubs in a light bag versus a full set on a push cart.   I'm not trying to be funny or come off the wrong way, but I'm genuinely curious about the time savings.

I have a really small car: it's hard to get the cart in there without breaking it down (pulling off wheels...). but you are right-it would be easier on me!

I do like the idea of a more minimalist bag. Just focus on what I have to do given the tools at hand. 

Tour yardages and speeds should almost never be quoted as they are embarrassingly useless stats, and certainly not of any real value when talking about a larger population of golfers.  Wrx alone has some 2M 'unique readers' (as they put it) per month.  So when comparing the numbers of say MAYBE 500 players to that of 2M.  This then also doesn't take into account that there are over 66M golfers in the world.  Outliers are going to exist. 

Look at any person that played a different sport at a high level (looking at hockey, baseball and racket sports) at some point in their lives.  They all know how to load, unload and have fast hands.  Basically every player in the NHL has speeds higher than quoted from TM.

Driver, favorite fairway wood, even numbered irons or odd number irons.  Switch them up every other round.  A sand wedge.

If you need to add a hybrid, do that too.

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There's literally so many combinations available today...I play 12 everyday riding. When I walk - I carry 9 clubs in my Sunday bag. I should challenge par on any course with 9 clubs up too 6600yds - whether my swing and short game agrees, is another subject. 

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15 minutes ago, RoyalMustang said:   I have a really small car: it's hard to get the cart in there without breaking it down (pulling off wheels...). but you are right-it would be easier on me!   I do like the idea of a more minimalist bag. Just focus on what I have to do given the tools at hand. 

Not to derail the thread but just to add some info here...

A ClicGear is virtually indestructible and quickly folds down really small. You could even buy one second hand. I bet you could find a lightly used one for next to nothing (~$125). 

I bought mine new in 2009 and have used it for hundreds of rounds since then, maybe approaching 1,000 at this point. When you consider the practical benefits and overall durability, a ClicGear is a pennies-on-the-dollar type of purchase.

If you truly want to build a small bag, I'd recommend you rotate things in and out for the sake of practice. It'd be better for your overall game if you did that (and mixed up the tees, too) instead of trying to find the ideal half-set. If you're doing a half-set, who really cares anyway? Take a stab and adjust as necessary. But it'd be better to limit yourself a bit some days. Ditch the driver and force yourself to hit some harder approaches. Make it into real practice. Then again, don't neglect driver. Hitting driver during the week turns out to be a huge advantage against all those guys on the weekend who turn up not having prepared. 

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I got a cheap Champkey pencil bag on Amazon that I take to the range and a local 9 hole executive course.  I go Driver, 3H, 6, 8, PW, 54, putter.  I've played the course with a full set of clubs but don't notice any real appreciable difference in my scoring.  If anything I think it's good practice to learn how to hit irons different distances than your normal stock.  Pay attention to how the ball reacts on the green or if you find improvement in GIR. 

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To echo the above there's tons of push carts that fold down really quick. But if I was to build a minimalist bag I'd probably alternate things around to make it fun, especially if you're playing nearly every day after work. I'd do rounds with no driver, no 3 wood, no 5 wood, odd irons, even irons, only one of 50/54/58* wedge and maybe rotate which one, so on. This would both help me get better with each of my clubs while also not sweating which one aren't in my bag at the moment.

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3 hours ago, GeauxGolfLSU said: Serious question: how much time is saved by not using a push cart? I walk most of my rounds and use a push cart, including the post-work evening 9 (or sometimes more). Aside from the 30 seconds it takes me to put my bag on a push cart, and perhaps choosing different routes when walking around the green versus on the green, I can't fathom how much time is saved by using a partial set of clubs in a light bag versus a full set on a push cart.   I'm not trying to be funny or come off the wrong way, but I'm genuinely curious about the time savings.

I'd imagine the change ranges from zero on certain holes (Think 17 at TPC Sawgrass, or other more typical par 3's) to a few dozen seconds to a minute or so on others. 

Carrying a bag you can walk across tees and greens instead of circling them. Same for deep rough. With a light sunday bag and a handful of clubs I wouldn't even be concerned with laying that down on the green or leaving it on for short putts.

On particularly hilly courses there may be stair routes which are faster than circuitous cart paths. I've always thought a push cart slowed my walking pace slightly because I was trying to keep the cart from tipping over all the time. It's not a big difference but it is a difference. 

5 hours ago, PEI_Golfer said: Do you really need to be trying to go for a 540y par 5

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7 hours ago, GeauxGolfLSU said: Serious question: how much time is saved by not using a push cart? I walk most of my rounds and use a push cart, including the post-work evening 9 (or sometimes more). Aside from the 30 seconds it takes me to put my bag on a push cart, and perhaps choosing different routes when walking around the green versus on the green, I can't fathom how much time is saved by using a partial set of clubs in a light bag versus a full set on a push cart.   I'm not trying to be funny or come off the wrong way, but I'm genuinely curious about the time savings.

I am a push cart user, but, for 9 holes, I understand the desire to not use a push cart. It is one additional thing to deal with, versus  a light carry bag.

During the winter months, I went with almost every other golf club, driver, 1 fwy, 1 hybrid, either odds of evens, 1 wedge and a putter. Unfortunately, I didn't have light carry bag, yet, and, over 18 holes (hilly golf course), I found myself slowing down. For 18 holes, I am going with a push cart, for a quick 9 holes, I think I would carry with a lighter bag (but, if I ever attempt this, I might think differently).

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11 hours ago, bellken said: I am a push cart user, but, for 9 holes, I understand the desire to not use a push cart. It is one additional thing to deal with, versus  a light carry bag.   During the winter months, I went with almost every other golf club, driver, 1 fwy, 1 hybrid, either odds of evens, 1 wedge and a putter. Unfortunately, I didn't have light carry bag, yet, and, over 18 holes (hilly golf course), I found myself slowing down. For 18 holes, I am going with a push cart, for a quick 9 holes, I think I would carry with a lighter bag (but, if I ever attempt this, I might think differently).

Plus an excuse to buy more gear (a light carry bag!)

As a cyclist, I also enjoy changing it up.  My road fleet has my race bike (carbon) and my fixed gear (steel). I also had a 90's era Italian bike for awhile as another change of pace (with Campagnolo kit). Mentally, it's cool to reset and think about things differently. I shot one of my best rounds ever playing my wife's 20-year old senior flex clubs! 

19 hours ago, GeauxGolfLSU said: Serious question: how much time is saved by not using a push cart? I walk most of my rounds and use a push cart, including the post-work evening 9 (or sometimes more). Aside from the 30 seconds it takes me to put my bag on a push cart, and perhaps choosing different routes when walking around the green versus on the green, I can't fathom how much time is saved by using a partial set of clubs in a light bag versus a full set on a push cart.   I'm not trying to be funny or come off the wrong way, but I'm genuinely curious about the time savings.

People that carry Sunday bag v push cart are not doing that to save time - but rather convenience of the most direct route to your ball. It’s that simple. 

I’ve always admired the 70+ yr old guy still hoofing his bag around.

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Funny to hear the responses because IMHO push carts are far and away the fastest and most convenient. Anywhere you can walk (aside from stairs) you can very easily take a cart. Plus, you can speed up, even jog, with a cart if you choose. And your back will definitely much prefer it so there's that, too. Plus, you don't have to pull clubs out of your bag.

So for most folks who refrain from riding it's a Win-Win-Win-Win situation. 

I always feel like carrying is for the guys who stubbornly refuse to adapt. I understand it with teenagers. But I think most adults who primarily walk, rely on a push cart. Some don't. That's true. But I think they're die-hards. Just like there are guys who prefer to wear long pants or who won't wear a spikeless. 

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May be unconventional, but these sorts of 9 hole minimalist bags are, to me, the perfect situation for either the Mini driver or stretch 3w, which few seem to talk about when clubs like these get released.  I went the Mini route (bought a 12* SLDR Mini for $65) for a 7 club pencil bag and I can't recommend it enough.

Minis are (understandably) mostly marketed to players who can't handle a full-length driver off the tee, but they should also be marketed to players who want a minimalist set up.  Admittedly, this is an even more niche group, but the Mini is high value to a minimalist because it does the job of the driver and the FW in one club.  Granted, it doesn't do either job quite as well, but it saves a whole extra club in the bag and still lets me have two serviceable options off the tee (a stock swing and a 3/4 punch cut swing) as well as a long option off the deck, which players with speed/better ball striking should be able to handle.  It's not going to be perfect, but you're not carrying 14 clubs, so you've got to make sacrifices somewhere.  And besides that, they are freaking fun to hit.

The strong 3w gets at the same concept, and I was looking at a G400 Stretch 3 for a time, but these tend to be more CG forward, low spin clubs and I wanted the forgiveness that the Mini offers.

If you can consolidate your two woods down to one, you can look at introducing a long iron/hybrid into the situation as your layup club off the tee, and it can still be used for Par 5 shots and/or long Par 3 shots.  

My minimalist set up is not designed for a specific course, but is meant to be a general bag that can get me around any place that I find myself at for either an after work 9 hole round or out of town travel:

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For what it's worth, my regular bag has 14 clubs, and I've often thought about dropping down to 12 with the following changes:

1. Go from a 46-50-54-58 wedge set up to a 46-52-58 set up

2. Go from a 3w-7w-4i set up to just a 5w-4i set up

I'd probably be no worse off with this 12 club set up.

1 hour ago, Poor Mans Ty Webb said: May be unconventional, but these sorts of 9 hole minimalist bags are, to me, the perfect situation for either the Mini driver or stretch 3w, which few seem to talk about when clubs like these get released.  I went the Mini route (bought a 12* SLDR Mini for $65) for a 7 club pencil bag and I can't recommend it enough.   Minis are (understandably) mostly marketed to players who can't handle a full-length driver off the tee, but they should also be marketed to players who want a minimalist set up.  Admittedly, this is an even more niche group, but the Mini is high value to a minimalist because it does the job of the driver and the FW in one club.  Granted, it doesn't do either job quite as well, but it saves a whole extra club in the bag and still lets me have two serviceable options off the tee (a stock swing and a 3/4 punch cut swing) as well as a long option off the deck, which players with speed/better ball striking should be able to handle.  It's not going to be perfect, but you're not carrying 14 clubs, so you've got to make sacrifices somewhere.  And besides that, they are freaking fun to hit.   The strong 3w gets at the same concept, and I was looking at a G400 Stretch 3 for a time, but these tend to be more CG forward, low spin clubs and I wanted the forgiveness that the Mini offers.   If you can consolidate your two woods down to one, you can look at introducing a long iron/hybrid into the situation as your layup club off the tee, and it can still be used for Par 5 shots and/or long Par 3 shots.     My minimalist set up is not designed for a specific course, but is meant to be a general bag that can get me around any place that I find myself at for either an after work 9 hole round or out of town travel:   12* Mini 24* Utility 4 iron 32* 6 iron 40*  8 iron 48*  PW 55* Wedge Putter   For what it's worth, my regular bag has 14 clubs, and I've often thought about dropping down to 12 with the following changes:   1. Go from a 46-50-54-58 wedge set up to a 46-52-58 set up 2. Go from a 3w-7w-4i set up to just a 5w-4i set up   I'd probably be no worse off with this 12 club set up.      

that's a great idea for a light bag. Especially as it would be nice to have a "mid" club that could function as a pseudo-driver and fairway wood distance-wise. I don't need a true FW wood for these 9 holes: the first Par 5 has a narrow green at the top of a slope, guarded by bunkers and needs a great drive and 5-6 iron to the green. Fairway woods won't stop, at least not with my skill level. The second par 5 is really a good drive/5 iron carry over a bunker to a 30-yard chip. Getting there in 2 is super risky and it is a tough green to get the ball to stop on from the fairway. Better to hit a long iron nearly past the green and work the chip back uphill rather than come downhill from the fairway and blow through the green or risk a push in the hazard right. For the better player, it is an easy birdie/high risk eagle sort of hole. 

I could use the mini as my tee box club; it would be perfect on 2 of the holes and a bit short on 2, but saves me a club. I would then use: Mini/Hybrid/5i/7i/9i/48/54/Putter and have all the based covered. Maybe grab a 6 instead of 7 if it is windy and I know that I can't hit 175 with my 7 that day.  

2 hours ago, MelloYello said: Funny to hear the responses because IMHO push carts are far and away the fastest and most convenient. Anywhere you can walk (aside from stairs) you can very easily take a cart. Plus, you can speed up, even jog, with a cart if you choose. And your back will definitely much prefer it so there's that, too. Plus, you don't have to pull clubs out of your bag.   So for most folks who refrain from riding it's a Win-Win-Win-Win situation.    I always feel like carrying is for the guys who stubbornly refuse to adapt. I understand it with teenagers. But I think most adults who primarily walk, rely on a push cart. Some don't. That's true. But I think they're die-hards. Just like there are guys who prefer to wear long pants or who won't wear a spikeless. 

or just lazy/excited to get to the course like me after work and forget the push cart! I need to leave by 4:30 normally to warm up and play 9: I try to be home by 6:45 by dinner and work until about 4:29.... 

You described me to a tee. I was a holdout for a long time, wanting to carry my bag. Once I went pushcart, I haven't looked back. And frankly, I just want all my clubs with me. I don't get to play enough golf as it is, so I don't want to not have all my clubs with me.

But hey, different strokes for different folks.

It is fun and challenging playing with less clubs. I still play with a full bag but do play with a minimalist setup several rounds per year. 

2 hours ago, MelloYello said:     I always feel like carrying is for the guys who stubbornly refuse to adapt. I understand it with teenagers. But I think most adults who primarily walk, rely on a push cart. Some don't. That's true. But I think they're die-hards. Just like there are guys who prefer to wear long pants or who won't wear a spikeless. 

The topic is 9hole Sunday bag setups. 

Also if you had the perspective of playing in the northeast where long pants and conventional golf shoe is needed 7-8months/year - you might have a different opinion of die-hards that walk and carry.  

26 minutes ago, GeauxGolfLSU said:   You described me to a tee. I was a holdout for a long time, wanting to carry my bag. Once I went pushcart, I haven't looked back. And frankly, I just want all my clubs with me. I don't get to play enough golf as it is, so I don't want to not have all my clubs with me.   But hey, different strokes for different folks.

I love my push cart and always use it for 18: I do have better posture when I carry occasionally. My wife (a doctor of physical therapy) even noted it when we were walking recently: she said I was standing up a bit taller and holding tension in my core, which gave her the illusion of me having a flatter tummy. Nothing wrong with that! 

On 4/12/2023 at 12:48 PM, RoyalMustang said:   I love my push cart and always use it for 18: I do have better posture when I carry occasionally. My wife (a doctor of physical therapy) even noted it when we were walking recently: she said I was standing up a bit taller and holding tension in my core, which gave her the illusion of me having a flatter tummy. Nothing wrong with that! 

Better posture when you're carrying?

IDK, maybe I might "look" better but if I carried I would feel like crap. 100%. My back would be tight as heck at the turn and I would struggle to play as well as if I had simply chosen to use a cart to carry my clubs. 

Never understood the guys who carry. There's no way it isn't hindering their performance. 

For me, that's the question. If you really care about your score your primary goal is feeling 100%. For me, I can't do that carrying so that's all there is to discuss. Maybe I'm a big P though, LOL. 

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Convert yards to miles

Please provide values below to convert yard [yd] to mile [mi, mi(Int)], or vice versa .

Definition: A yard (symbol: yd) is a unit of length in both the imperial and US customary systems of measurement. Since 1959, a yard has been defined as exactly 0.9144 meters. It is also equal to 3 feet, or 36 inches.

History/origin: The origin of the yard as a unit is unclear. It is an English unit (predecessor of imperial units) and the term was derived from "gerd" in Old English, the earliest historical form of the English language. Some suggest that the yard could have been derived based on the girth of a person's waist.

Current use: The yard is commonly used in field-length measurement for certain sports such as American and Canadian football, and association football (soccer). The yard is also used in cricket pitch dimensions, and sometimes in golf fairway measurements. In the United Kingdom (UK) as well as the United States, the yard is frequently used when referring to distance. In the UK, it is also a legal requirement that road signs indicating shorter distances are displayed in yards.

Definition: A mile (symbol: mi or m) is a unit of length in the imperial and US customary systems of measurement. It is currently defined as 5,280 feet, 1,760 yards, or exactly 1,609.344 meters.

History/origin: The mile is an English unit (predecessor of Imperial units and United States Customary Units) of length. The use of the abbreviation "m" for mile was common before the widespread adoption of the metric system; after the adoption of the metric system, "mi" became the preferred abbreviation in order to avoid confusion between miles and meters. The definition of a mile as 5,280 feet (or 8 furlongs), sometimes referred to as the statute mile, international mile, or land mile, which differs from the Roman mile of 5,000 feet, developed due to the importance of the furlong in England, back in 1593. There also exist a number of units based on, or closely related to, the Roman mile, including the nautical mile (1.852 km exactly), Italian mile (~1.852 km), and the Chinese mile (500m exactly).

Current use: Although most countries have adopted the metric system and use kilometers, rather than miles, to express land distance, the mile is still prevalently used in countries such as the United States (US), United Kingdom (UK), Myanmar, and Liberia, as well as some other countries which are either US or UK territories, or have historical ties with either country.

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How to convert yard to mile.

1 yd = 0.0005681818 mi, mi(Int) 1 mi, mi(Int) = 1760 yd

Example: convert 15 yd to mi, mi(Int): 15 yd = 15 × 0.0005681818 mi, mi(Int) = 0.0085227273 mi, mi(Int)

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Yards to Meters Conversion

3500 yards to meters conversion - convert 3500 yards to meters (yd to m), 3500 yards to meters conversion, you are currently converting distance and length units from yards to meters.

3500 Yards (yd)

3200.4 Meters (m)

Yards : A yard (symbol: yd) is a basic unit of length which is commonly used in United States customary units, Imperial units and the former English units. It is equal to 3 feet or 36 inches, defined as 91.44 centimeters.

Meters : The meter (symbol m) is the fundamental unit of length in the International System of Units (SI). It is defined as "the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum during a time interval of 1/299,792,458 of a second." In 1799, France start using the metric system, and that is the first country using the metric.

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3500 Yard = 3200.4 Meter

FAQ about Yards to Meters Conversion

How to convert yards to meters .

1 yard is equal to 0.9144 meters:

1yd = 0.9144m

The distance d in meters (m) is equal to the distance d in yards (yd) times 0.9144, that conversion formula:

d(m) = d(yd) × 0.9144

How many Meters in a Yard?

One Yard is equal to 0.9144 Meters:

1yd = 1yd × 0.9144 = 0.9144m

How many Yards in a Meter?

One Meter is equal to 1.09361 Yards:

1m = 1m / 0.9144 = 1.09361yd

How to Convert 5 Yards to Meters?

d(m) = 5(yd) × 0.9144 = 4.572m

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